The Interpretation of Quotes for Business Success by Tom Libby

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Hello. My name is Jesan Sorrells, and this is the

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Leadership Lessons from the Great Books podcast,

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episode number 136

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with our book today, a meditation

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on business success from a most

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unlikely author. We’ve covered a lot of different kinds

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of books on this podcast. Everything from books focused

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around, theology and biblical commentary, all the

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way to books focused on philosophy and

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the practicalities of living a meaningful life.

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We’ve talked about everything from Jane Austen to Shakespeare, as

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I said right there in the opening. And, of course, we tend to

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focus on books that you might have fallen

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asleep trying to read in high school,

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most notably War and Peace or maybe something by another

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wascally Russian. We’ve read a lot of difficult

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books on this podcast. We’ve read a lot of engaging books on this podcast,

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and we’ve even read books

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that aren’t that engaging and aren’t that interesting, but we’ve managed to make

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something out of them at the end. And Tom Libby,

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our cohost, today, has been, on this

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show for, gosh, quite a number of these episodes and has

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added his own unique flavor and approach to

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these, to these books. Some of which he has read before

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we’ve delivered him the script, others of which he perused the Wikipedia

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article before he showed up here, and he even he is willing to

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admit that. But today today, we

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have a very special treat for you. Today

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well, today, we have a book by

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Tom Libby. That’s right. Tom Libby is now a published

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author, and there’s no better place for a published author, who’s also

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the cohost of this show, than, well, the Leadership Lessons

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from the Great Books podcast. So today, in honor

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of the publication of the interpretation of quotes for

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business success by Tom Libby, I would like to welcome

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to the podcast our cohost, Tom Libby. And,

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we’re gonna talk about the thoughts, the

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ideas, the reasons, and the practical approaches for

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leaders and the practical things that they can get from Tom Libby’s

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book, The Interpretation of Quotes for Business Success.

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Welcome to the podcast, Tom. How are you doing today? And happy New Year. Oh,

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yeah. For sure. Happy New Year. I totally forgot that January flipped,

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flipped the page over there. To me

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to me, the first of the month is the first of the month no matter

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what month it is. So sometimes I don’t even realize it’s a totally new

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year. Remember, remember I said Monday. What have you got for me? Every day

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is Monday. Every day that ends in Y is Monday. And we’ve determined this before

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we hit the record button on here. So oh, thank

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you. Thank you for having me. I I actually you know, when I remember,

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I remember the first time you asked me to come on to this

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podcast, and I was I was baffled by how much we were able

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to extrapolate from some of these, you know, some of these classic pieces of

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literature. And then when you asked me to come on about my

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book here, I was like, wait. There’s no comparison. Like, my book is,

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like, there’s no way that this book should ever be in the same

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breath as some of these books that we’ve talked about on, on on this

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podcast. But I certainly do appreciate the opportunity to talk about a book that

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I just finished up. Of course. Of course. Look.

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I covered my book on the podcast, that I wrote a few years

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ago now. I think it’s 3 years ago now. Twelve Rules for Leaders, the

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Foundation of Intentional Leadership. And my cowriter

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there on that book, Bradley Madigan, came on, and we talked about the book.

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We talked about how we came up with the book and ideas behind the book.

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And, and so this is just one of the perks sort

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of. Not sort of. It is one of the perks of being able to hang

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around a guy like me. So, you know, I have this platform, and I can

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put anybody on it that I want to. And so there you go. I wanna

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put you on and, talk about the book. So, why don’t we

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do this? Typically, on the show, we open up with

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either a, a, a long passage or

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excerpt from the book, or a long quote, or we’ll

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open up with maybe a a core idea. So why don’t

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you tell us? Why don’t we open up with, with this? So who was your

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let’s start with your favorite quote in the book from

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your favorite person in the book and why that was your

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your favorite selection there. Let’s open up with that. And if you wanna read for

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the book directly, you can. I think, some of us would love to hear the

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dulcet tones of Tom Libby, reading his

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own words. So here here here’s a fun here’s a fun

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thing. Right? So here’s a fun thing about I mean, this is a 100

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sorry. This is a 300 pay or 280 page

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book about quotes. So the the thing I find interesting is

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I I had a favorite quote. I really did. I had a favorite quote until

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I started writing this book, and then all of a sudden, the next quote, but

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I like this one. Oh, but I like this. Oh, but this one’s really good.

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Oh, I like this. But this one impacts more. Like, it really did go through

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that set that that series of, like so I

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don’t know if I could pick a favorite one. But what I will tell you

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is the one that started it all. Let me I’ll I’ll I’ll explain it this

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way. Because the one that started it all is actually not in the book, and

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I didn’t realize it until it was until I finished the book.

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So I I I’ll tell you a quick story about it. I was Mhmm.

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About I I had just, I had just taken my very first management

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role in a in a company. It was my first day of work, and I

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was driving the 45 minute drive to get there. It was my

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commute. And I had graduated high

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school, like, I I was literally 18 years old. So I had graduated high school

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very, a short time before that, and I accepted the

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position I was driving. Anyway, I look up at this billboard, and I see

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this quote that that I read

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about 5 minutes into the drive. And the remaining 40

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minutes of the drive, not a single thing entered my mind except for

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that quote. I was constantly trying to think, what is that supposed to mean? Why

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do I why does that mean does that mean something different to me than somebody

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else? Does it have all like, I literally went through this 40

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minute dissertation in my own mind about this quote, and that was at

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18 years old. So that was quite a long time ago. I’m not gonna tell

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you how many years, but it was quite a long time ago. And so the

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quote was now there’s no

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official attachment to a person because they can’t prove one way

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or another who actually said it, but they think it was Albert Einstein.

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And it was the the quote was perception is greater than

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reality. Okay. That that and it was literally on a billboard, and it

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just said perception is greater than reality. And I forget there was a little tagline

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thing underneath. It was it was some company that put it on there, but that

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part I never remembered. It was just a quote. And I started thinking

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that entire drive in And wouldn’t you know

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that that stupid quote impacted my 1st

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day at work because I started taking in information

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differently? Like, as people were saying things to me, I started thinking,

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well, is that their reality or my reality? Is that is

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like, there’s a difference between a fact and an interpretation of a

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fact, and there’s a difference between what is real

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and what is perceived to be real. So I started this whole thing

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in my brain. And then as I started

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leveraging that quote in my day to day life, I

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started actually feeling like it was my life’s purpose to make people

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understand that there’s always more than one way to look at something. And the fact

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that you perceive something one way and I perceive something another does not

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make one of us right and one of us wrong. It, like, it really and

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it it impacted that one quote impacted my professional career,

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my being a father, like, the way that I the way that I interact

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with, you know, my my spouse. Like, it really started

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impacting my whole life. And and and

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the the the simplest version of this that I can give people and and I’ve

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I know I’ve mentioned this to you more than once because you and I have

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had similar conversations to this. But the simplest version of this, and if you don’t

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think I’m right, if you think that if you don’t think that this quote matters,

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or if you don’t think I’m right, here’s a very easy way to to

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determine this. Haysan and I go into a room

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with the one door, no windows, nothing in the

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room. Just just blank room. The 2 of us go stand in the room. No

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chairs. No. Nothing. Just the 2 of us stand in a room. And a

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person opens the door and says, okay. Your hour is up. Why don’t you come

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on back? I look at Hae san and say,

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holy crap. That was an hour? It felt like it was 5 minutes. And Hae

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san goes, 5 minutes? I felt like we were in there all day. What

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is the reality in that scenario? Is that an hour is an hour. It’s 60

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minutes no matter how you slice it or dice it. It’s 60 minutes. But how

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you perceive that hour is way more impactful to you than it

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is to anybody else. So that one quote

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literally started this whole thing multiple

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decades ago. So as I

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started as I started through my life, and I’m noticing that other people

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have similar attachments to these quotes. Right? Mhmm.

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Henry Ford, whether you think you can or you think you cannot, you’re right. You

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know, There’s a there I mean, there’s a plethora of them. And

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and you you walk into an office building, you’ll see them framed on

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walls with no way of

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understanding what that quote means to that company. It’s just a quote on

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a wall to a person walking in, but people who work there, that might be

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their mantra. Right? Like, you you might be hired on the precipice of you

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need to know and understand what that motto or what that quote means to this

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company because it was said by Steve Jobs or it was said by, you

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know, whomever. And but to a random person walking in, that

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quote is just a framed quote on the wall. So Mhmm. Again so then

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I started thinking, like, what do all these quotes mean to people? And and and

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should I have an opinion about this? Can I can I can I actually make

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this mean something to anybody? So that’s what prompted the

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book. I started collecting the thoughts of these quotes and

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what it means to people and why it’s important to people and and why do

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we look up to certain people and why do we why are these quotes actually

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framed on walls when, you know, you we mentioned a couple of people,

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before we hit the record button here. You know, people like you know, there are

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certain people that you can understand. Right? Mhmm. People like

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Warren Buffett, Richard Branson, Jeff Bezos.

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These guys who have made who have built multibillion

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dollar organizations. If they have an opinion about business, a lot of

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people will listen. Right? But then you also hear

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actors and actresses and athletes that come out with these what they

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think of as these profound comments, and people will start quoting them all over the

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Internet because well, just because they’re famous. It has nothing to do with whether they’re

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right or wrong or whether they’re good or bad. Well, you know, Michael Jordan’s famous.

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Let’s quote Michael Jordan. Now, by the way, just for the for the for the

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peace of mind of the audience here, Michael Jordan is also a very savvy business

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person. So I’m just gonna give him that too. There are a couple

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of people, you know, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson,

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people in the basketball world. They are also very savvy business people. And there’s a

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couple others in, you know, from the athletic world. But but

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the initial the initial impact of these

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statements are simply because they’re popular or they’re they’re you know, they

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they have, like, you know, mass media. Take Taylor Swift, for

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example. If Taylor Swift came out and said something that she could put in

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a quotation box and and put it in on a on a mug,

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do you don’t think that would sell off the shelves? What do you like her

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or not? Is it relevant? I I don’t care whether you like Taylor Swift or

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you like her music or not or anything. The fact is she has millions and

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millions and millions of followers. If she put a quote on a

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coffee mug and decided to sell it, she would make a $1,000,000.

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So I think you probably should have put a Taylor Swift quote on the

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front of your book. I mean, you could have gotten all the Swift used to

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buy it. Dollars. Hang on. That that would that would be my suggestion. That’s where

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I’m going with this. You know? Yeah. Okay. So So if you

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want an example of this, I can give you Yeah. But you you you can

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ask you a question or 2 first. But if you want me to show you

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an example of what I what what I’m we’re talking about, I can. Why don’t

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why don’t we do this? So show me an example of what you’re talking about.

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I do that a couple of I took a couple of of notes. There’s something

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that that triggered in my brain, and it’s a story that

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I was telling years ago, about quotes on walls.

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A personal anecdote that happened to me, because there’s another way that people

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sort of deal with what they see on a wall. But,

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but yeah. No. Why don’t we why don’t we why don’t we focus on this

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for just a little bit? So the actual quotes in the book, what what was

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your as I said before, what was your favorite sort of quote, or what

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what one really is impactful for you beyond the Albert Einstein

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on the billboard quote when you were 18? Allegedly,

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Albert Einstein. Yeah, allegedly. Because there I I don’t know why.

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I looked that up years after, and I couldn’t find

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a single source that was definitive on who actually said it. But Albert Einstein

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is a common, associate to it.

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So I don’t I don’t know if so that’s part of my problem here. And

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as I started explaining a few minutes ago, I’m not sure I can

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give you the one or this or, like, the one a b or

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whatever because there’s so many of them in here. There’s a 100 and I think

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there’s a 140 or a 142, actual quotes in

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here, And they range from everything from, you know,

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business people. But I segmented the business people into

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modern business people like the Jeff Bezos and the and the Richard Branson’s of the

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world versus the, the let’s just call

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them the orig the OGs of the of the entrepreneurial war world, like the

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Henry Ford’s and the Harvey Firestones of the world.

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leadership of businesses that actually still apply today if you really think about

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it. Some of those like, Haysan and I use a com a a

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phrase so often that I think it’s now just embedded in in our

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vernacular, which is the more things change, the more things stay the same. Right?

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So when you look at a quote from Henry Ford in 1910

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or 12 or something like that, and you read it and you go, well,

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shoot. I could still use that today. Like, that that actually still applies or whatever.

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Right? So I segmented the book into things like that. Right? So you have quotes

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from, from business leaders from today, business leaders

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from yesterday. I have, you know, athletes and

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historical figures. There’s

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there’s, entertainment, military leaders,

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motivational speakers. Of course, how could you do about how could you do a book

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a book about quotes and not include motivational speakers?

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And then there’s, you know, some authors in there. So there’s about 8 or 9

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9 or 9 different categories of things. So I think if I

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segmented them out, I would have probably 1 or 2 favorites in each one of

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those segments. But I’ll I’ll for the for the sake of your question

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and for the the podcast, I will tell you one that that, from the

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athletic, perspective and the reason I said Michael Jordan earlier.

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There was a quote by Michael Jordan. This was I I

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this had to have been, as he started his

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entrepreneurial phase, this was not while he was playing basketball.

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Although he was, you know, a 6 time NBA champion. I’m just letting everybody know

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that that my vote for the greatest of all time is is Michael Jordan, not

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anybody else, not to be named liberal. Anyway,

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other day or x’d or whatever it’s called now,

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that, he personally thought that

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Djokovic and Steph Curry should be rated ahead of ranked ahead of

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Kobe Bryant in the list of greatest basketball

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players of all time. And I just thought Wait. Michael Jordan

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did did or or No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Some

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random dude on Twitter. Oh, oh, oh, sorry. This is not this is not no.

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Michael Jordan? No. Please. No. No. Some random dude on Twitter. I think some

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former basketball player, Chandler, or something. Oh, yeah. And

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and I was I was just I I just shook

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my head because people are just saying things for attention now. They’re just saying things

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to get attention. That’s just just you’re just saying things so that people will look

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at you and yell, and I’m just not gonna participate in that because that’s just

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stupid. That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard, Stupidest piece of analysis I’ve ever

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heard. And I wanna go on record as saying, there’s only 2

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greatest guards ever in the history of the NBA. There was there was

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Michael Jordan, and then there was Kobe Bryant. Kobe Bryant is your backup. That’s

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it. That’s that’s that’s they’re the 2 greatest two guards in the history of the

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NBA. And if you want a 3rd off the bench, I would probably say,

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oh, what the hell was his name? Bill

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Russell? No. But Bill Russell wasn’t a guard. Wasn’t he a big guy? Wasn’t he

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a big I thought Bill Russell was a big Oh,

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off the bench. Like, somebody Off the bench. Yeah. To rest Jordan and and and,

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and Kobe, he’s probably the guy I’m I’m taking as as my

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3rd. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. But that’s about it. But you’re right.

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You’re right. I I I would never argue that ever. Anyway

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Anyway, go back. Michael Michael Jordan’s quote. Go ahead. Yeah. So Michael Michael

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Jordan, the biggest adventure you you can take is to

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live the life of your dreams. So

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I took that quote and I wrote and I so my my excerpt from the

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book here is, I often joke with people saying entrepreneurs are the only

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people I know who work 80 hours a week to avoid working

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40. It’s a humorous take, but there’s a lot of truth in it.

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Starting and running your own business is an adventure that demands hard work,

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long hours, and a lot of dedication. If you’ve got dreams of owning your own

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business, I say go for it. Just be ready to truly put in the effort.

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The rewards can be incredible, but the journey isn’t for the faint of heart.

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Owning a business isn’t owning a business isn’t just a job. It’s a lifestyle. The

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hours are long. The challenges are constant, and the decisions

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are are only yours to make. But that’s also what makes it so rewarding.

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You get to chase your dreams, create something from scratch, and enjoy the adventure of

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building something that’s truly your own. However, best advice

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however sorry. The best advice is don’t try to do it alone if you

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can avoid it. Having partners or support system can make all the difference.

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I have several partners, and honestly, I don’t know what I’d do without them. Being

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able to share the workload, bounce ideas off of each other, and combine our

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expertise is invaluable. Running a business can be overwhelming at times, and

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having people to share the burden with not only makes it

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manageable, but also allows for better decision making and greater growth.

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Entrepreneurship is a rewarding journey, but it’s a lot more enjoyable and

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sustainable when you’ve got the right people by your side. So if

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you’re dreaming of starting your own business, dive in head first, but remember to surround

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yourself with partners, mentors, or a strong network to help you along the

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way. You’ll be better off. So, again,

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if you were just walking into an office and you saw a company that had

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this on the wall, the biggest adventure you can take is to live the life

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of your dreams. How are you making that impactful

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as you walk in that first day at work? Right? Like, is is the company

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is this something up for decoration, or is it something that the company lives by

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and they want you to, like, be a they they’re gonna try to help you

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be a better employee and they be better employers? How does that impact

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you as you walk in the door? I found it, and then I just

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basically turned it into if this is

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your life dream, then then maybe your life dream is to own your own company.

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But if it is, make sure you, like, make sure you think about this. It’s

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not always a dream. Hasan and I both have been on the

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beginning stages of these start up companies. There can be

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nightmares involved. Just remember, nightmares are dreams too. So

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you gotta make sure that you’re ready for them. Right? And and and be

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make sure so that’s the style in the in the book. If you are

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happen to be reading this book, that is some of the stuff that I talk

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about in the book is taking some of these quotes and

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kinda leaning into them, right, and making sure that you you

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interpret them and your perceived value of this quote is

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impacting you. And if you’re gonna use this quote, then make sure you’re using

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it, you know, to your hearts, to your hearts

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feltness, not not just some random it it it shouldn’t just be

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a random quote on your wall, I guess, is the the point. Put some thought

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into into which quotes, you know, matter to you. Well, it’s

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interesting because this ties into what you’re saying. This ties

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into my point that I was going to make,

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earlier before you read that, before you read that quote from, from Michael Jordan, your

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interpretation of it. So I I worked with a client

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that is I won’t say the name of them, but they are

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now no longer in business. They went bankrupt. Found that out,

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gosh, probably about 3 or 4 years ago. But early in

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my, corporate training career, I worked at this

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this this now bankrupt client. And every time I would walk into their

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physical location to set up a training,

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I would see quotes on the wall, multiple quotes actually from,

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Thomas Edison, from the aforementioned Albert Einstein,

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Albert Schweitzer, just line, you know, the the the quote wall that you

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sometimes walk past inside of organizations. Right? For sure. Yeah.

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And I would ask the security guard who

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was always escorting me because it’s always, like, going to, Fort Knox. You know? I

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can’t be trusted walking through there because I was going to somehow steal some

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proprietary secret or something. And it was a

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shipping and logistics company. Brilliant. If I wanted to

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start a shipping and logistics company, I wouldn’t have to steal your stuff. I could

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probably figure it out on my own. That’s always been my attitude.

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And so we’re walking through with the or I’m walking through with the security guard.

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And one time, I asked the security guard on my way to to this

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to deliver this training at this place. I asked the security

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guard, so do you ever read these quotes on the wall? Like, do they ever,

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like, do you ever read them? Do you ever does this ever like, does this

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mean anything to you? And he looks at me, and he goes, I don’t even

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know what you’re talking about. I don’t see anything on the wall anymore.

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And I thought in the context of sort of what I was doing with this

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organization and the training that I was delivering, it kind of made sense

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because the training that I was delivering was on accountability,

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interestingly enough, and a lack of accountability inside the organization

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inside of the culture. And that kinda went along with everything

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that the security guard, was, was saying. But

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at a deeper level, this is the level that I think you’re getting

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to with these quotes and with your thoughts on them.

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We slap these words around, or we or we we

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frame we

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frame these words as iconic that come from people.

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at a certain point, these iconic words

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are devoid of or are are are so far away from

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their original meaning that we have to imbue them with new meaning. And if we

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don’t consistently and and repeatedly

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imbue these words with meaning,

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they begin to be stale. Right? They begin to fall on

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deaf ears. They become aphorisms or

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even, weirdly enough, caricatures of what they were

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originally meant to be.

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And, of course, if if we don’t refresh or renew these

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words, sometimes, you know, they just they

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fall off. Right? They fall off in our culture. They fall off in our society.

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We talk about this with great books, you know. You

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know, maybe probably about 3

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or 4 generations ago, a lot of people would know

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where a quote from a Shakespeare play

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came from. They would have known that. They would have been classically educated or at

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least moderately classically educated in the public school system, or

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they would have at least had Shakespeare force fed to them. Now

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most people know about Shakespeare, if they know about Shakespeare at all, from

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a movie that started Leonardo DiCaprio, right, back in the

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day. Yeah. And or Gwyneth

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Paltrow. I’m sorry. It wasn’t Leonardo DiCaprio. It was Gwyneth Paltrow. But Leo did do

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Shakespeare as well. And I would say that

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most modern people, postmodern people

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between 18 and 34 in that age range probably don’t

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know Shakespeare at all. And I

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saw and I and I saw a quote framed the other day

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on a a social media platform that I shall not name,

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in reference to the inauguration of our current now current

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president. And the quote was

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taken out of context from the Shakespeare play. And it was interesting

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enough to play that we actually read on this podcast. So it’s taken out of

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context. And it’s this out of context quote that’s just framed on the

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Internet, which is, of course, social media is, of course, our new wall of

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text, right, in a building. And I know

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people are doom scrolling past that. They’re tying it to current events. They’re going, yes,

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that that check marks a box in my head for how I feel about this

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particular moment, and then they’re moving on. And they’re doing literally, they’re doing that analysis

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inside of 10 milliseconds and moving on to the next doom

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scroll thing. And so we have all these quotes and all these words and all

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these aphorisms, but they’re disconnected, right, and decontextualized. And

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so what I think your book does, even in the

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title, is it it

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contextualizes or recontextualizes these quotes in a

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way that allows us to sort of anchor ourselves and anchor the

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meaning of them to something, which is which is critical

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for to your point in the title even and and in what you were just

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saying, business success. One other thing that

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note I noted when I was looking through the book and reading it and looking

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at the quotes and figuring out sort of how to talk about it today,

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Unless I’m mistaken and I missed it, and I did see you had

433
00:26:49,840 –> 00:26:53,680
doubles in some places, like, you quoted Jeff Bezos a couple of times. You

434
00:26:53,680 –> 00:26:56,820
quoted, Tony Robbins a couple of times.

435
00:26:58,320 –> 00:27:02,054
We had a couple quotes from to your point, Henry Ford, Harvey Firestone. You know,

436
00:27:02,054 –> 00:27:04,855
you you you went back to the well a couple times there on a couple

437
00:27:04,855 –> 00:27:08,615
of folks, which is fine. I noted that

438
00:27:08,615 –> 00:27:12,460
you did not have any, unless I missed them, with

439
00:27:12,460 –> 00:27:16,220
the exception of one person who I would not classify in this area. You

440
00:27:16,220 –> 00:27:17,840
did not have any actors.

441
00:27:21,260 –> 00:27:24,380
No. I did. You did? Okay. So I missed it. Okay. So I did miss

442
00:27:24,380 –> 00:27:27,395
it. Okay. Because that was I I thought when you were talking about how you

443
00:27:27,395 –> 00:27:31,095
had set it up, I was like, okay. Yeah. Jordan, Tony Robbins,

444
00:27:31,555 –> 00:27:35,075
military guys. Let’s see. Robert down

445
00:27:35,235 –> 00:27:38,455
Robert Downey junior. Robert Downey junior. There we go. Hedburn,

446
00:27:39,830 –> 00:27:43,350
Lucille Ball, Jonathan Winters, Walt

447
00:27:43,350 –> 00:27:47,190
Disney. Yeah. There’s a few of them in here. Well, Walt Disney, I

448
00:27:47,190 –> 00:27:50,650
wouldn’t class Walt Disney was an entrepreneur. I wouldn’t classify him as an actor. Lucille

449
00:27:50,710 –> 00:27:53,175
Ball was a That’s your I well, I you know what I did is I

450
00:27:53,255 –> 00:27:57,015
I categorized them as the entertainment business. Okay. Alright. So that’s

451
00:27:57,015 –> 00:27:59,835
that’s probably yeah. That’s probably yeah. Jonathan Winters,

452
00:28:00,855 –> 00:28:04,475
I I believe he had an entrepreneurial bent, if I’m not mistaken.

453
00:28:05,255 –> 00:28:08,875
Lucille Ball, most people don’t know this. Desilu Productions,

454
00:28:09,710 –> 00:28:12,610
She owned the right. Was hers. Right? I know.

455
00:28:13,390 –> 00:28:17,170
And I believe they produced, Gunsmoke,

456
00:28:17,790 –> 00:28:21,630
if I remember correctly. Desilu Productions produced that. But I

457
00:28:21,630 –> 00:28:25,044
know for sure for sure they published the

458
00:28:25,044 –> 00:28:28,725
original published, but they were the ones that were the production company or

459
00:28:28,725 –> 00:28:32,505
they funded and supported, a young creative

460
00:28:33,284 –> 00:28:36,965
named Gene Roddenberry who had an idea for a

461
00:28:36,965 –> 00:28:40,680
show set in space. Lucille Ball if it wasn’t for Lucille Ball, that

462
00:28:40,680 –> 00:28:43,100
show would have never existed. I forgot about that.

463
00:28:44,840 –> 00:28:48,540
All Star Trek. How how is it how is it every single conversation

464
00:28:48,600 –> 00:28:52,175
we have, Haysan, eventually turns into film. I don’t know how that

465
00:28:52,175 –> 00:28:55,715
happens, but it does. Every single every single conversation we have

466
00:28:55,935 –> 00:28:59,375
on or off the air, so to speak. Because

467
00:28:59,375 –> 00:29:03,135
film is in the blood. It is it is the life.

468
00:29:03,135 –> 00:29:04,355
It’s part of the life.

469
00:29:07,350 –> 00:29:11,110
Okay. So talks a little bit about the quotes in the book, why you

470
00:29:11,110 –> 00:29:13,830
picked the quotes you picked, or at least why you picked the structure that you

471
00:29:13,830 –> 00:29:16,809
picked. Let’s let’s I I do have a question about this. So,

472
00:29:18,710 –> 00:29:21,465
the people that you picked. Right? We talked a little bit about those folks. Right?

473
00:29:21,465 –> 00:29:24,925
You have a divided up into into different sort of areas. Right?

474
00:29:26,505 –> 00:29:29,385
One person that jumped out to me, and I want you to talk a little

475
00:29:29,385 –> 00:29:32,905
bit about him because we’d covered his book, the Dow, Jeet Kune

476
00:29:32,905 –> 00:29:36,549
Do, on the podcast way back in the 1st season,

477
00:29:37,649 –> 00:29:41,010
with, with my, MMA

478
00:29:41,010 –> 00:29:43,830
instructor and former marine.

479
00:29:45,330 –> 00:29:48,450
Yeah. Former marine. So I was just thinking as an ex marine till your till

480
00:29:48,450 –> 00:29:51,245
your dead. Wanna hear from the marines anyway.

481
00:29:53,144 –> 00:29:56,745
I don’t feel those in my family. It’s yeah. It’s weird. But It’s

482
00:29:56,745 –> 00:29:59,565
weird. Well, it’s the marine corps. There you go. There you go.

483
00:30:00,184 –> 00:30:03,590
But, Josh Josh Poland,

484
00:30:03,890 –> 00:30:06,370
we covered, on the podcast with him, this book. But,

485
00:30:07,650 –> 00:30:11,010
talk a little bit about Bruce Lee, because you have a you have a particular

486
00:30:11,010 –> 00:30:14,690
fascination with, with Bruce Lee. I I

487
00:30:14,690 –> 00:30:18,405
I do. You know, and and it’s so

488
00:30:18,405 –> 00:30:22,085
I from my end, fascination started when I was very, very, very young. And I

489
00:30:22,085 –> 00:30:25,845
don’t for those of you who have not guessed my age, you probably will

490
00:30:25,845 –> 00:30:29,545
at this point because if you remember, Saturday

491
00:30:29,684 –> 00:30:33,350
afternoons was all about Kung Fu Theater and creature double

492
00:30:33,350 –> 00:30:37,030
feature. Like, that was that was that was my entire

493
00:30:37,030 –> 00:30:40,789
Saturday was waking up at 5 AM to watch, you know, to make

494
00:30:40,789 –> 00:30:44,309
sure I watched certain cartoons that were on in the morning. I’d get

495
00:30:44,309 –> 00:30:47,625
lunch, come back in time for, you know, Kung Fu there and creature.

496
00:30:48,885 –> 00:30:52,645
I remember the first time I ever watched a Bruce Lee movie and

497
00:30:52,645 –> 00:30:56,425
thinking to myself I mean, this this guy was

498
00:30:57,230 –> 00:31:01,070
superhuman. And I I was thinking about the we go back

499
00:31:01,150 –> 00:31:04,750
we’re starting with the filming thing film again. As I started

500
00:31:04,750 –> 00:31:08,590
thinking about special effects they used in movies and and TV shows, and

501
00:31:08,590 –> 00:31:12,075
thinking there’s no way this guy can do what he was doing on that screen.

502
00:31:12,075 –> 00:31:15,515
That that has to be some sort of special effect. And

503
00:31:15,515 –> 00:31:18,955
then as as I started learning more about him realizing

504
00:31:18,955 –> 00:31:22,575
that so, again, for those of you don’t know,

505
00:31:23,275 –> 00:31:26,700
Bruce Lee’s punch was so fast. They could

506
00:31:26,700 –> 00:31:30,460
not film it in slow motion enough for you to see it.

507
00:31:30,460 –> 00:31:34,059
Think about what I just said there. They filmed it in slow

508
00:31:34,059 –> 00:31:37,900
motion, and you still couldn’t see it. That’s how fast

509
00:31:37,900 –> 00:31:41,725
he was. And, again, to me, as a kid, I was thinking that’s

510
00:31:41,725 –> 00:31:45,404
inhuman. There’s no way that’s possible. Again, so

511
00:31:45,404 –> 00:31:48,684
as I started, then I decided, I was like, well, if he could do it,

512
00:31:48,684 –> 00:31:51,264
so can I, which, no? But anyway,

513
00:31:52,764 –> 00:31:56,440
I I had that mentality. So I was like, I’m gonna go take

514
00:31:56,440 –> 00:32:00,120
martial arts, and I’m gonna go I’m gonna go, you know, find a martial

515
00:32:00,120 –> 00:32:03,960
arts person that can teach me his way. I I had

516
00:32:03,960 –> 00:32:07,480
no interest in any other form of martial arts. I had no

517
00:32:07,480 –> 00:32:10,865
interest in jujitsu or taekwondo

518
00:32:11,245 –> 00:32:15,085
or, you know, or or a aketo or any of

519
00:32:15,245 –> 00:32:18,525
I had no interest in any of them. So I had to go I it

520
00:32:18,525 –> 00:32:22,205
took me I don’t it took me forever to find the the person that could

521
00:32:22,205 –> 00:32:25,960
teach me this because in my neighborhoods, it was taekwondo everywhere. Like, there was,

522
00:32:25,960 –> 00:32:29,240
like, you or karate. You you know, there was a couple of ones that just

523
00:32:29,240 –> 00:32:33,080
said karate on it, but there were there was

524
00:32:33,080 –> 00:32:36,440
not the variety that we see today. Like, if you go in Google’s in your

525
00:32:36,440 –> 00:32:40,215
neighborhood, you could probably find just about every form of martial

526
00:32:40,215 –> 00:32:42,695
arts. And I say just about because I’m sure there are some that I’m not

527
00:32:42,695 –> 00:32:45,975
thinking of that we don’t have here in the US. I I I I but

528
00:32:45,975 –> 00:32:49,415
I would imagine dozens upon dozens of different

529
00:32:49,415 –> 00:32:53,175
styles, forms, techniques that you can find online. When we were kids,

530
00:32:53,175 –> 00:32:56,580
that didn’t happen. You basically had judo because it was in the

531
00:32:56,580 –> 00:33:00,340
Olympics. You had taekwondo because it was in the Olympics. I was

532
00:33:00,340 –> 00:33:03,620
like, that’s what they were training for. They were training people to be the next

533
00:33:03,620 –> 00:33:06,760
generation of, you know, Olympic champion here in the US.

534
00:33:07,060 –> 00:33:09,875
Anyway, as I found the right,

535
00:33:11,215 –> 00:33:14,035
the right, Sifu, it was

536
00:33:15,775 –> 00:33:19,455
it was really interesting to me that I

537
00:33:19,455 –> 00:33:22,690
didn’t learn a single kick, punch,

538
00:33:23,309 –> 00:33:26,990
stance. There was nothing that they didn’t teach me anything until

539
00:33:26,990 –> 00:33:29,650
I deeply understood his philosophy.

540
00:33:30,910 –> 00:33:34,270
It was more like a classroom setting for me in the in the in the

541
00:33:34,270 –> 00:33:37,325
first like, it was months. I I don’t remember the exact time frame I was

542
00:33:37,325 –> 00:33:41,004
very young. Well, not very young. I was probably, like, 9. But that’s not

543
00:33:41,004 –> 00:33:44,605
very young. I should have memories at 9, but I’m just saying. I don’t remember

544
00:33:44,605 –> 00:33:47,884
if it was 3 months or 6 months or 7 month, whatever. I just remember

545
00:33:47,884 –> 00:33:51,510
it was months that I literally sat there in the dojo, and I I

546
00:33:51,510 –> 00:33:55,210
didn’t get I didn’t get to I felt like I didn’t learn anything.

547
00:33:55,669 –> 00:33:59,450
But the more it he they just browbeat

548
00:33:59,510 –> 00:34:03,045
you into the fact that you need to understand who he was as a person,

549
00:34:03,045 –> 00:34:06,645
what got him there, his philosophies, how he thinks, how

550
00:34:06,645 –> 00:34:10,405
he his movements aren’t going to make sense to you until you really

551
00:34:10,405 –> 00:34:14,219
understand him as a person. So now fast forward

552
00:34:14,219 –> 00:34:17,739
to today, when I see these movies made about his life and stuff like that,

553
00:34:17,739 –> 00:34:21,500
I’m like, that’s not exactly yeah. And then you

554
00:34:21,500 –> 00:34:25,340
see interviews with his actual students talking about the movies and and

555
00:34:25,340 –> 00:34:28,885
I go, yeah, that’s what I thought too. Like Yeah. And I was never

556
00:34:28,885 –> 00:34:32,484
his student, but I felt I felt so connected to him because the

557
00:34:32,484 –> 00:34:35,925
the the person that I learned from was so

558
00:34:35,925 –> 00:34:39,525
adamant that it was not about kicks and punches. It was about

559
00:34:39,525 –> 00:34:43,160
philosophy, and it was about how you treated people. It It was it was it

560
00:34:43,160 –> 00:34:46,680
was it was your interaction. It was your personal

561
00:34:46,680 –> 00:34:50,520
interaction with everything, not not just your not

562
00:34:50,520 –> 00:34:54,040
just how you how you punch a bag or how you get into a fight

563
00:34:54,040 –> 00:34:57,820
and protect yourself or whatever that whatever you think martial arts is.

564
00:34:58,005 –> 00:35:01,704
It he made it feel like

565
00:35:02,244 –> 00:35:05,765
that martial arts was a it was

566
00:35:05,765 –> 00:35:09,444
about your internal being and how your

567
00:35:09,444 –> 00:35:12,900
internal being makes sense of the world, and how the

568
00:35:12,900 –> 00:35:16,740
world interacts with you, and how you impact it both how how

569
00:35:16,740 –> 00:35:20,580
it gets impacted both ways. Right? So Yep. The funny thing is

570
00:35:20,580 –> 00:35:24,100
I probably could have filled this book with Bruce Lee quotes, and I

571
00:35:24,100 –> 00:35:27,865
didn’t on purpose because I knew I would just geek out over it and

572
00:35:27,865 –> 00:35:31,625
not really not really pay attention to anybody else. So

573
00:35:31,625 –> 00:35:34,904
I I promised myself I was only gonna put one. I was only gonna put

574
00:35:34,904 –> 00:35:38,664
one in it, and I tried to make it the most business like I

575
00:35:38,664 –> 00:35:41,384
could think of because some of the other some of the quotes that he talks

576
00:35:41,384 –> 00:35:44,820
about, and if you listen to some of his philosophies, they’re definitely

577
00:35:44,880 –> 00:35:48,720
more self serving in in in the philosophical part

578
00:35:48,720 –> 00:35:51,940
of it. It’s like you it’s it’s about internalizing

579
00:35:52,240 –> 00:35:55,885
things and how you how you do

580
00:35:55,885 –> 00:35:59,724
or don’t allow outside forces to impact your inside

581
00:35:59,724 –> 00:36:03,025
feelings. Like, there’s a lot of, like, that that that interaction.

582
00:36:03,964 –> 00:36:06,605
So there was very few that I could look at and go, oh, I can

583
00:36:06,605 –> 00:36:10,200
directly translate this into business. Right? Like, there was because it was more about

584
00:36:10,420 –> 00:36:13,540
interpersonal. So there was one I found, and I I promised myself that I was

585
00:36:13,540 –> 00:36:16,980
only going to use one. But yeah. Well, why why don’t you go ahead and

586
00:36:16,980 –> 00:36:19,940
why don’t you go ahead and share that one with us? Why don’t you go

587
00:36:19,940 –> 00:36:23,454
ahead and, Bruce Lee was a very, very impactful person to me as at a

588
00:36:23,454 –> 00:36:26,015
at a young at a very young and by the way, I still say to

589
00:36:26,015 –> 00:36:29,775
this day that if he was if he never died in in 1974 or

590
00:36:29,775 –> 00:36:33,454
73, sorry, that that this world I think this world would have been a different

591
00:36:33,454 –> 00:36:36,974
place. I really honestly truly believe this world would have been a different place had

592
00:36:36,974 –> 00:36:40,710
he lived, but we’ll we’ll never know. Yeah. There’s a good there’s a

593
00:36:40,710 –> 00:36:43,990
good there’s a good, there’s a good start for a movie there, Haysan. The butterfly

594
00:36:43,990 –> 00:36:47,190
effect. Do you remember that movie, the butterfly effect? Oh, yeah. Go back and save

595
00:36:47,190 –> 00:36:50,150
Bruce Lee’s life and just see how the world changes as we go. Anyway, alright.

596
00:36:50,150 –> 00:36:53,130
So the quote the quote from Bruce Lee was,

597
00:36:54,115 –> 00:36:57,715
the successful warrior is the average man with laser

598
00:36:57,715 –> 00:37:01,555
like focus. Now do you wanna hear my thoughts on this, or do

599
00:37:01,555 –> 00:37:04,835
you just wanna talk about the quote? Oh, absolutely. I wanna hear your thoughts on

600
00:37:04,835 –> 00:37:08,670
this, and then then we can talk about the quote. So, as

601
00:37:08,670 –> 00:37:12,290
as I just mentioned here, the quote the book reads,

602
00:37:12,910 –> 00:37:16,430
first, I need to admit something here. I’m a huge Bruce Lee fan. I have

603
00:37:16,430 –> 00:37:20,050
seen every movies made, every TV show he was in, and on and

604
00:37:20,190 –> 00:37:23,895
most everything that was made to tell his story. I even took Jeet

605
00:37:23,895 –> 00:37:27,735
Kune Do as a kid. Oh, and something I didn’t put in here is, I,

606
00:37:27,735 –> 00:37:31,415
I bought, first edition copy of that book by the way, and

607
00:37:31,415 –> 00:37:35,121
read that about a 100 times. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

608
00:37:35,121 –> 00:37:37,415
the, the, I have the book, I have the book behind me in the, in

609
00:37:37,415 –> 00:37:41,200
the, in the bookcase. Anyway, back to the book. That’s

610
00:37:41,440 –> 00:37:45,220
that said, I this is still sound advice from a business perspective.

611
00:37:45,760 –> 00:37:48,640
I’ve been in sales and marketing consultant for well over a decade, and one of

612
00:37:48,640 –> 00:37:51,520
the most common piece of advice I give to companies is to focus on their

613
00:37:51,520 –> 00:37:55,325
ideal client profile. Focus on the most perfect customers with laser

614
00:37:55,325 –> 00:37:59,085
like determination and understanding. If you can do that, marketing to them

615
00:37:59,085 –> 00:38:02,865
is easier. Your ideal client profile is most likely your best weapon.

616
00:38:03,244 –> 00:38:06,925
It’s like a martial artist choosing between a sword or a bo staff. If

617
00:38:06,925 –> 00:38:10,760
you’re truly better with one over the other, it’ll give you the best chance

618
00:38:10,760 –> 00:38:14,440
of winning. If you focus on what your company does best and for the correct

619
00:38:14,440 –> 00:38:17,960
target market, you’ll be successful. You should minimize the

620
00:38:17,960 –> 00:38:21,020
distractions and pay close attention to what helps you move the needle forward.

621
00:38:21,795 –> 00:38:25,635
So, again, from a business perspective, I I looked at that

622
00:38:25,635 –> 00:38:29,395
that, you know, success you

623
00:38:29,395 –> 00:38:32,595
can be an average person. You can be an average company. You can be a

624
00:38:32,595 –> 00:38:36,109
mediocre middle of the road. But if you define

625
00:38:36,170 –> 00:38:40,009
success by customer acquisition, revenue, any of

626
00:38:40,009 –> 00:38:43,849
those other things, and you have laser like focus on the

627
00:38:43,849 –> 00:38:47,369
people that you should be doing business with, you can overcome a lot. You can

628
00:38:47,369 –> 00:38:51,045
overcome a lot in your business by having that laser focus. So

629
00:38:51,045 –> 00:38:54,805
that’s my that was my thought on the quote. One of the things that

630
00:38:54,805 –> 00:38:58,405
Bruce Lee really advocated

631
00:38:58,405 –> 00:39:02,165
for, and I agree if he hadn’t died in 74, I think the

632
00:39:02,165 –> 00:39:03,545
entire history of

633
00:39:06,660 –> 00:39:10,500
martial arts and entertainment in America would be would be totally different. We probably

634
00:39:10,500 –> 00:39:14,020
wouldn’t have had the the McAdojo phenomenon that we had in the 19

635
00:39:14,020 –> 00:39:17,640
eighties and the 19 nineties, where literally every

636
00:39:18,275 –> 00:39:21,635
every person with an idea of what a martial art could

637
00:39:21,635 –> 00:39:25,315
be, you know, open up shop and

638
00:39:25,315 –> 00:39:28,135
water down karate and water down taekwondo.

639
00:39:29,795 –> 00:39:33,109
And I’ve seen this podcast before. I’m I’m a person with a background in taekwondo.

640
00:39:33,170 –> 00:39:36,790
I’m currently doing, currently on a long grind in jujitsu.

641
00:39:37,330 –> 00:39:41,109
I’m grinding my way towards a grinding my way towards a black belt in jujitsu,

642
00:39:42,690 –> 00:39:45,030
with my my old behind. And

643
00:39:46,734 –> 00:39:50,355
and all of that would have probably been would have probably been different.

644
00:39:51,215 –> 00:39:54,815
But Bruce Lee cat because because of the kind of the kind of shadow that

645
00:39:54,815 –> 00:39:58,655
Bruce Lee passed, upon just the world

646
00:39:58,655 –> 00:40:02,410
of martial arts and combat, sports

647
00:40:02,410 –> 00:40:06,170
and combat philosophy, not only in the,

648
00:40:06,490 –> 00:40:10,170
in the in the east, but in the west and and particularly

649
00:40:10,170 –> 00:40:13,630
through his Hollywood, his Hollywood efforts. So I agree with you.

650
00:40:13,930 –> 00:40:17,755
Things would have been different, quite different. And don’t get me wrong. I still

651
00:40:17,755 –> 00:40:20,555
think he had a positive impact on some of that stuff. I mean, think about

652
00:40:20,555 –> 00:40:23,595
it. Some of the some of the martial artists that we have today and and

653
00:40:23,595 –> 00:40:27,375
we consider action stars, a lot of them actually

654
00:40:27,435 –> 00:40:31,020
have real experience. I mean, Jet Li is a 3 time Wushu

655
00:40:31,020 –> 00:40:34,460
champion. I mean, that guy Right. I would not wanna meet Jet Li in a

656
00:40:34,460 –> 00:40:37,260
dark alley when he’s mad at me. Like, you know what I mean? I’m sorry,

657
00:40:37,260 –> 00:40:41,020
but that guy is incredible. Same thing with a couple others. Like, I

658
00:40:41,020 –> 00:40:44,395
think people don’t realize that there are there is some

659
00:40:44,395 –> 00:40:47,775
cinematography that goes on, and there I I get that. But

660
00:40:48,155 –> 00:40:51,615
there is some sense of, of authenticity

661
00:40:51,994 –> 00:40:55,694
when you talk about some of these guys. Like, again, the, you know,

662
00:40:56,369 –> 00:41:00,210
Donnie, was Donnie, Donnie Yo? Donnie Yen. Donnie Yen. Yeah.

663
00:41:00,210 –> 00:41:03,970
Donnie Yen is very good. Like, Jason Statham, very

664
00:41:03,970 –> 00:41:07,809
good. Like, people don’t real that that guy comes across as a typical action

665
00:41:07,809 –> 00:41:11,515
star like the like the Sylvester Stallones and the Arnold Swatznick of the

666
00:41:11,515 –> 00:41:15,355
world. Not realizing this this guy can fight, man. Like, this guy is

667
00:41:15,355 –> 00:41:18,875
real. Like, he’s legit. Same thing Well, or or or

668
00:41:18,875 –> 00:41:22,670
Wesley Skaggs or, you know yeah. You know

669
00:41:22,670 –> 00:41:25,630
who surprised me in this world, though? Honest to god, I I and I never

670
00:41:25,630 –> 00:41:28,270
would have thought it. And and you you I don’t know if you know you’ve

671
00:41:28,270 –> 00:41:31,730
gotta know this. Of all people, you know this. Dolph Lundgren.

672
00:41:32,110 –> 00:41:35,710
Oh, yeah. Most people don’t realize 2 things about Dolph Lundgren.

673
00:41:35,710 –> 00:41:39,555
Number 1, the guy is freaking brilliant. He has advanced he

674
00:41:39,555 –> 00:41:43,175
has advanced degrees. Like, this guy is not dumb, number 1. Number 2,

675
00:41:43,475 –> 00:41:46,935
he was actually a fighter. Like, this guy fought for a living.

676
00:41:47,555 –> 00:41:51,290
Yeah. He he’s he’s more than just he’s more

677
00:41:51,290 –> 00:41:54,590
than just a pretty face facing. Like, what was it? Rocky 4?

678
00:41:55,370 –> 00:41:58,570
No. Yeah. Rocky 4. Sorry. Rocky 3 was,

679
00:41:59,370 –> 00:42:03,155
was, the fight back to Clubber

680
00:42:03,155 –> 00:42:06,275
Lane. Yeah. So it was not Yeah. Yeah. The Russian. Yeah. The the Russian. Yeah.

681
00:42:06,275 –> 00:42:09,735
Yeah. Yeah. For Carl Weathers. Fragic.

682
00:42:10,435 –> 00:42:13,415
Fragic. Fragic. I I loved Carl Weathers.

683
00:42:14,435 –> 00:42:18,190
So I think I think, well, I think Bruce Lee would

684
00:42:18,190 –> 00:42:21,970
have had a a huge, would have had a huge impact. Probably more so than

685
00:42:22,510 –> 00:42:25,790
well, Karate Kid would have been a totally different phenomenon because that actually did set

686
00:42:25,790 –> 00:42:29,310
up a whole lot of shenanigans and nonsense that happened later on. Through no fault

687
00:42:29,310 –> 00:42:32,465
of the film’s own, like, the film is just trying to be an entertaining film,

688
00:42:32,465 –> 00:42:36,225
telling you to tell a story, and there’s a whole bunch of domino effects that

689
00:42:36,225 –> 00:42:39,985
happened after that. Yeah. Fun fun fact. Pat Morietta had no idea

690
00:42:39,985 –> 00:42:42,485
what martial arts was until he did that movie. Yeah.

691
00:42:43,590 –> 00:42:47,030
So there’s that. And so there’s that. Yeah. Then you look at the

692
00:42:47,030 –> 00:42:50,250
karate kid version with, Jackie Chan and and Jaylen

693
00:42:50,470 –> 00:42:54,230
Smith. Right. Jade sorry. Jaylen Smith. I was thinking Jaylen Jaylen Daniels with the Washington

694
00:42:54,230 –> 00:42:57,990
Redskins. Sorry. Football’s still on my brain too. Anyway, Jaylen,

695
00:42:57,990 –> 00:43:01,545
you know, with Smith and and Jackie Chan, I think that’s more

696
00:43:01,545 –> 00:43:04,825
realistic as to what we would have seen in the first run if Bruce Lee

697
00:43:04,825 –> 00:43:08,665
was still alive. Right? Like Yeah. Yeah. Whether yes, no, whatever. I don’t know. But

698
00:43:08,665 –> 00:43:11,705
we could debate it all. You know? Well, and that would have been well, and

699
00:43:11,705 –> 00:43:14,490
and and if, again, if Bruce Lee had lived again, this is a counterfactual,

700
00:43:15,670 –> 00:43:18,810
conversation here, kinda sort of thought here. But

701
00:43:19,510 –> 00:43:23,270
Jackie Chan probably would not have been as

702
00:43:23,270 –> 00:43:26,950
big a star as he was. He probably would have peaked a little bit

703
00:43:26,950 –> 00:43:29,290
earlier and then declined a little bit quicker.

704
00:43:30,575 –> 00:43:33,775
Speaking to the point about Jet Li, I don’t know that Jet Li gets out

705
00:43:33,775 –> 00:43:37,535
of China. I I I don’t know because, you know, Bruce Li is

706
00:43:37,535 –> 00:43:41,295
just that’s a stranglehold. I mean, the older you get, the more of a stranglehold

707
00:43:41,295 –> 00:43:44,980
you have on things. And, yeah, Jet Li would have still been Jet Li, but

708
00:43:44,980 –> 00:43:48,660
who would have known it? Right? Or maybe maybe Bruce Lee would have

709
00:43:48,660 –> 00:43:51,140
gone to the opposite direction, and I I kinda tend to think he would have

710
00:43:51,140 –> 00:43:54,680
gone more this direction where he would have plucked out talent,

711
00:43:55,540 –> 00:43:59,095
out of the east and brought it to Hollywood and said, you know, I’m

712
00:43:59,095 –> 00:44:02,875
gonna put my thumbprint on you, and you’re gonna come over with me.

713
00:44:03,015 –> 00:44:06,315
Knowing what I know about his life, I think the latter there would have

714
00:44:06,455 –> 00:44:10,215
absolutely have been his path. He he always looking for good talent

715
00:44:10,215 –> 00:44:13,770
to put in his movies with him. And then Yeah. Like, think about it. Jackie

716
00:44:13,770 –> 00:44:17,370
Chan was in one of his first movies. Yep. One of Jackie Chan’s first

717
00:44:17,370 –> 00:44:21,130
movies was was with Bruce Lee. So he and he talks about him in in

718
00:44:21,130 –> 00:44:24,330
a one interview I found. I found an interview with Jackie Chan quite a long

719
00:44:24,330 –> 00:44:27,290
time ago, probably 15 or 20 years ago or something like that. But he talks

720
00:44:27,290 –> 00:44:30,944
about that experience with him. And I

721
00:44:30,944 –> 00:44:34,625
I again, so I think to your point, I’m I think the latter. I

722
00:44:34,625 –> 00:44:38,144
think Bruce Lee would have done more for the movie impact

723
00:44:38,144 –> 00:44:41,585
of, in the in the showcasing of what martial

724
00:44:41,585 –> 00:44:44,970
arts. But I think I would have liked I

725
00:44:44,970 –> 00:44:48,810
would have appreciated it more if he

726
00:44:48,810 –> 00:44:52,650
brought his philosophies into it. Like, as he started

727
00:44:52,650 –> 00:44:55,290
getting a little bit older into his early thirties, because I think he died at

728
00:44:55,290 –> 00:44:59,035
32, if I remember correctly, at 32. As he started getting a little bit older

729
00:44:59,035 –> 00:45:02,475
in his late twenties and early thirties, the philosophy was more

730
00:45:02,475 –> 00:45:05,595
important than the actual physical. Right? So it was

731
00:45:06,235 –> 00:45:09,755
taking care of your physical body was important, and he never

732
00:45:09,755 –> 00:45:12,815
downplays that, never downplays taking care of your physical body.

733
00:45:13,730 –> 00:45:17,089
But but it was but as he started getting more and more into the philosophies

734
00:45:17,089 –> 00:45:20,290
of it, I think we would have seen more of that in the movies. I

735
00:45:20,369 –> 00:45:22,369
at least I would have liked to. I would have thought it was I would

736
00:45:22,369 –> 00:45:26,150
I would have thought it was really important. Well, the big question, which always

737
00:45:26,930 –> 00:45:30,434
the big counterfactual, which, again, we can never know. Right? This is all

738
00:45:30,434 –> 00:45:33,795
speculation. But for me, the big counterfactual beyond the

739
00:45:33,795 –> 00:45:37,474
movies or him plucking out talent or even his interactions with

740
00:45:37,474 –> 00:45:41,154
Hollywood, Pacce Quentin Tarantino, and Once Upon a

741
00:45:41,154 –> 00:45:44,730
Time in Hollywood, I think

742
00:45:45,750 –> 00:45:49,350
Bruce Lee’s biggest impact or biggest sort

743
00:45:49,350 –> 00:45:53,190
of moment if he had lived would have been

744
00:45:53,190 –> 00:45:56,650
his interaction with, with, UFC

745
00:45:59,055 –> 00:46:02,835
and sort of how and and this is one of those untold stories. Like,

746
00:46:03,135 –> 00:46:06,975
the not like, but similar to the untold

747
00:46:06,975 –> 00:46:10,095
story of how we have switched, and I I’ve said this a couple of times

748
00:46:10,095 –> 00:46:13,910
on the podcast, but how we’ve switched from an America in the United

749
00:46:13,910 –> 00:46:17,369
States of America, we switched in the 19 sixties

750
00:46:17,829 –> 00:46:21,589
as television became more popular. We switched from being a baseball

751
00:46:21,589 –> 00:46:23,290
culture to being a football culture.

752
00:46:25,555 –> 00:46:29,015
And the baseball culture you know, baseball is a game of individuals

753
00:46:29,315 –> 00:46:32,375
pay played as a team, whereas football culture

754
00:46:32,915 –> 00:46:36,595
is all team all the time. And if the quarterback screws up, we don’t win

755
00:46:36,595 –> 00:46:39,810
the game. That’s a psychological

756
00:46:40,270 –> 00:46:44,109
switch in leadership. It’s a psychological switch in judgment. It’s

757
00:46:44,109 –> 00:46:47,730
a psychological switch in, in the

758
00:46:49,390 –> 00:46:53,115
in the the direction of competency and merit. A whole

759
00:46:53,115 –> 00:46:56,635
bunch of things go along with that, and that’s reflected. We always talk about film

760
00:46:56,635 –> 00:47:00,335
on this podcast to your point, but that’s reflected in the types of

761
00:47:00,475 –> 00:47:03,855
of, entertainment that people take advantage of.

762
00:47:04,350 –> 00:47:08,030
And sports, for better or worse, is a form of

763
00:47:08,030 –> 00:47:11,790
entertainment for many people, in this, in

764
00:47:11,790 –> 00:47:15,310
this country. And so the switch from from more of a baseball mentality to more

765
00:47:15,310 –> 00:47:18,210
of a football mentality is one of those unsung, unstated,

766
00:47:19,674 –> 00:47:23,275
unanalyzed and unexamined sort of transitions in America. But I

767
00:47:23,275 –> 00:47:27,115
think the other unexamined transition, and this one strikes me even more as

768
00:47:27,115 –> 00:47:30,635
a person who’s involved with the martial arts, is our switch from a

769
00:47:30,635 –> 00:47:34,460
boxing culture to a UFC culture. And

770
00:47:35,080 –> 00:47:38,860
look. I I’m not taking anything away from UFC folks.

771
00:47:39,000 –> 00:47:42,060
They’re athletes. I would never not say that they are athletes.

772
00:47:43,240 –> 00:47:46,360
I would never not say that what they are doing is not hard or difficult

773
00:47:46,360 –> 00:47:48,895
or that I could get in the ring and do it. I would never say

774
00:47:48,895 –> 00:47:52,355
any of that. Maybe when I was 20, I might have thought that.

775
00:47:52,895 –> 00:47:55,474
I have a completely different perspective 25 years later.

776
00:47:58,655 –> 00:48:02,069
But I think the the move from

777
00:48:02,069 –> 00:48:05,670
boxing as quote, unquote the sweet science, and I believe you have a Muhammad Ali

778
00:48:05,670 –> 00:48:09,190
quote in there in your book too, from boxing as a

779
00:48:09,190 –> 00:48:12,569
sweet science to the UFC as

780
00:48:13,164 –> 00:48:16,845
unless we blunt about what the UFC is. I mean, let’s be blunt indirect. It

781
00:48:16,845 –> 00:48:20,684
is it is Greek cage fighting, and the only thing we’re

782
00:48:20,684 –> 00:48:24,365
missing is all those guys and women. Let’s be let’s

783
00:48:24,365 –> 00:48:28,190
be direct about this. Being oiled up and naked and just, like,

784
00:48:28,190 –> 00:48:30,690
doing the deed, right, on TV.

785
00:48:32,510 –> 00:48:36,270
We we have we have transitioned, right,

786
00:48:36,270 –> 00:48:39,490
from something that was ruled by

787
00:48:40,190 –> 00:48:43,994
a sense of aristocratic elitism at the highest

788
00:48:43,994 –> 00:48:47,755
levels even. And and Ali broke a lot of that. But up until

789
00:48:47,755 –> 00:48:50,875
that point, there was still some of that. So some of that hanging around. And

790
00:48:50,875 –> 00:48:54,395
even after Ali, there was some of that hanging around. The person who fully broke

791
00:48:54,395 –> 00:48:57,940
all that was Mike Tyson. But, we we

792
00:48:57,940 –> 00:49:01,780
moved from that in in a space of boxing psychologically in

793
00:49:01,780 –> 00:49:05,220
this country to a space

794
00:49:05,220 –> 00:49:08,820
of, okay, we’re all just gonna get oiled up and we’re all just gonna, like,

795
00:49:08,820 –> 00:49:12,635
wrestle on the ground and punch each other in the face. I admit, I know

796
00:49:12,635 –> 00:49:15,275
I’m minimizing it. But but, I mean, this is this is where this is where

797
00:49:15,275 –> 00:49:18,955
we’re at. I call it the train wreck effect. Right? Like, you know, you hear

798
00:49:18,955 –> 00:49:22,795
people talk about, like, you can’t drive by a train wreck without slowing

799
00:49:22,795 –> 00:49:25,994
down and looking like you have to like, you have to watch. Like, you

800
00:49:26,315 –> 00:49:29,710
Right. To me, even people who don’t like UFC

801
00:49:30,250 –> 00:49:33,850
will watch a fight or 2 if it’s hyped up enough because, like, a train

802
00:49:33,850 –> 00:49:37,050
wreck, you have to it it because you have to see what happens. You have

803
00:49:37,050 –> 00:49:40,330
to see what what’s next. What kind of bloodiness? What kind of arm is gonna

804
00:49:40,330 –> 00:49:44,155
get broken? What kind of like, it’s like the violence is, is addictive

805
00:49:44,295 –> 00:49:47,975
almost. Right? And it’s, like, we can watch the violence and not

806
00:49:47,975 –> 00:49:51,755
be violent because we’re we’re we’re we’re allowing our violent

807
00:49:52,135 –> 00:49:55,815
our violent, what’s the word I’m thinking

808
00:49:55,815 –> 00:49:59,310
of? Tendencies, instincts. Not tendencies.

809
00:49:59,450 –> 00:50:02,810
Curiosities. Curiosities. Because I don’t think everyone has a violent

810
00:50:02,810 –> 00:50:06,430
tendency. But I think we have violent curiosities, which is why some people

811
00:50:06,650 –> 00:50:10,250
love watching wildlife films that the lion catches the

812
00:50:10,250 –> 00:50:13,975
zebra. And and some people like watching the the just the thrill of the

813
00:50:13,975 –> 00:50:17,095
hunt, and the zebra gets away, and they get all exhilarated. Right? So

814
00:50:17,815 –> 00:50:21,575
and I’m kinda weird because I like both. I I have no I have no

815
00:50:21,575 –> 00:50:25,319
I have no, qualms about saying. But here but to your point though,

816
00:50:25,319 –> 00:50:28,920
Hasan, here’s the weird the weird part. I find

817
00:50:28,920 –> 00:50:32,519
myself leaning more toward boxing now

818
00:50:32,519 –> 00:50:35,980
because of some of that what you’re talking about, because it really is just

819
00:50:36,174 –> 00:50:39,934
violent to be violent. It’s there’s not that there’s no skill to it. I’m

820
00:50:39,934 –> 00:50:43,055
not again, to your point, I’m not suggesting these guys are not athletes and they’re

821
00:50:43,055 –> 00:50:46,494
not skillful, but the skill set is so different and the

822
00:50:46,494 –> 00:50:49,394
strategies are so different because the strategies are more

823
00:50:50,450 –> 00:50:54,130
the strategies are more about pain infliction and less

824
00:50:54,130 –> 00:50:57,569
about tactical warfare, so to speak. Whereas

825
00:50:57,569 –> 00:51:01,190
boxing is more about tactical warfare and

826
00:51:01,730 –> 00:51:05,415
and mitigating your risk at the point of

827
00:51:05,415 –> 00:51:09,174
attack where you can end the fight. Right? Like so, like, when you see that

828
00:51:09,174 –> 00:51:12,295
glaze in the eye, can you get a knockout punch in there? You know? And

829
00:51:12,295 –> 00:51:15,960
there are some people that are dangerous even being dazed, and you go closer, you

830
00:51:15,960 –> 00:51:19,720
get dinged anyway, and you’re both, you know anyway. But

831
00:51:19,720 –> 00:51:22,940
but boxing but here’s the funny part I find about the 2 sports.

832
00:51:23,720 –> 00:51:27,100
So far, and I say so far because I’m sure it’ll eventually happen.

833
00:51:27,640 –> 00:51:31,154
So far, every UFC fighter that has gotten into a

834
00:51:31,154 –> 00:51:34,755
boxing ring has lost. Oh,

835
00:51:34,755 –> 00:51:38,434
yeah. Oh, yeah. So so to people who always have this

836
00:51:38,434 –> 00:51:42,100
debate on which sport is more difficult, more

837
00:51:42,260 –> 00:51:45,940
what whatever terminology you’re gonna use. Who’s a

838
00:51:45,940 –> 00:51:49,780
better athlete? I I don’t know. Whatever. Until a UFC fighter

839
00:51:49,780 –> 00:51:53,320
can step into the ring and and box a 12 round championship

840
00:51:53,460 –> 00:51:57,134
boxing bout and win, y’all just need to

841
00:51:57,134 –> 00:52:00,135
stop. Alright? I’m just saying. And and this is coming from somebody who’s in martial

842
00:52:00,135 –> 00:52:03,915
arts too. Right? I so with you, Haysan. Listen. I I have no

843
00:52:04,055 –> 00:52:07,734
delusions of thinking that I’m getting into any of those rings. And by the way,

844
00:52:07,734 –> 00:52:11,020
even when I was 20, my sensei would have kicked my rear end if I

845
00:52:11,020 –> 00:52:14,700
thought I’m going to go fight somebody on purpose. I would have been dead. He

846
00:52:14,700 –> 00:52:18,460
would have killed me. But, anyway, so so even at even

847
00:52:18,460 –> 00:52:20,940
at 20, I would have never thought to get in that ring. I would have

848
00:52:20,940 –> 00:52:24,505
never ever thought it. So I’m not suggesting that I’m better than them by any

849
00:52:24,505 –> 00:52:28,105
stretch of the imagination. I’m just saying that if you look at the

850
00:52:28,105 –> 00:52:31,465
2 sets of athletes and you put them in the same ring together

851
00:52:31,625 –> 00:52:35,385
now, all the UFC guys always say, we’ll take a boxer and put them we’ll

852
00:52:35,385 –> 00:52:39,020
kill them in there in the octagon. Yeah. Well, no kidding. Because boxers don’t

853
00:52:39,020 –> 00:52:42,860
train in ground and pound, and they don’t and they’re not gonna learn that

854
00:52:42,860 –> 00:52:46,380
in in 3 months before a fight. Whereas UFC

855
00:52:46,380 –> 00:52:50,160
fighters work on boxing skills all the time.

856
00:52:50,325 –> 00:52:54,165
Yeah. And yet, when given the opportunity to spend 6 months to actually train

857
00:52:54,165 –> 00:52:57,204
in it, they still can’t get up to speed with somebody who’s been doing it

858
00:52:57,204 –> 00:53:00,165
most of their life. Right? Like, that’s Well and well, and at a at a

859
00:53:00,165 –> 00:53:03,579
practical level. And then And we need to get off this. And we could yeah.

860
00:53:03,579 –> 00:53:07,420
We could switch off for boxing talk here in just a second. I think we’re

861
00:53:07,420 –> 00:53:10,700
gonna Bruce sleeping don’t definitely derail this. I told you this would happen, Nissan. I

862
00:53:10,700 –> 00:53:14,380
told you that Bruce sleeping would derail us. Yeah. We abandoned half our

863
00:53:14,380 –> 00:53:17,900
audience. It’s fine. No. I think that,

864
00:53:19,875 –> 00:53:23,715
and I’ve noticed this at at a practical level. And I’m no Joe Rogan

865
00:53:23,715 –> 00:53:27,335
level. I’m not a Joe Rogan analysis guy, so please,

866
00:53:27,395 –> 00:53:30,855
if you’re gonna come for me, fine. Whatever. Correct my analysis.

867
00:53:31,730 –> 00:53:35,410
But in looking at the striking capabilities of a UFC fighter, your

868
00:53:35,410 –> 00:53:39,250
average UFC fighter and by the way, I think Bruce Lee would have been very

869
00:53:39,250 –> 00:53:42,849
impactful in the same way the Gracies were impactful on the

870
00:53:42,849 –> 00:53:46,465
UFC, one through maybe 5, maybe

871
00:53:46,465 –> 00:53:50,145
even 1 through 10. But I think after UFC 10, there’s a

872
00:53:50,145 –> 00:53:52,645
market to your point turn towards

873
00:53:53,585 –> 00:53:57,185
brutality and ground and pound. Right? There’s a market turn in that

874
00:53:57,185 –> 00:54:00,910
direction because, if it bleeds, it leads, and

875
00:54:00,910 –> 00:54:04,690
you’ve gotta get ticket sales up. And Guy,

876
00:54:04,750 –> 00:54:07,650
Royce Gracie, or or Hurion Gracie,

877
00:54:09,790 –> 00:54:13,424
I’m sorry, Helion Gracie, or

878
00:54:13,484 –> 00:54:16,684
or or any of the Gracie brothers. And it would have been interesting, by the

879
00:54:16,684 –> 00:54:20,045
way. The Gracie brothers versus Bruce Lee. That would have been

880
00:54:20,045 –> 00:54:23,664
interesting because I think, number 1, Bruce Lee would have learned jujitsu.

881
00:54:24,045 –> 00:54:27,609
Number 2, he wouldn’t have had any patience for the Gracie’s. Like 0

882
00:54:27,609 –> 00:54:30,170
patients, but they wouldn’t have any zoo they would have had any patience for him

883
00:54:30,170 –> 00:54:33,550
either. And I think

884
00:54:33,930 –> 00:54:37,609
that generational gap between the 2 of them would have been exposed in any

885
00:54:37,609 –> 00:54:41,385
UFC kind of engagement beyond just age. It

886
00:54:41,385 –> 00:54:45,225
was just been a gap in philosophy. And who would have

887
00:54:45,225 –> 00:54:48,425
won that? Who would have come out on top? Obviously, it’s a counterfactual who can

888
00:54:48,425 –> 00:54:51,945
say. Now last point, pounding right on the technique, on the

889
00:54:51,945 –> 00:54:55,769
tactic. Most UFC fighters hell, and

890
00:54:55,769 –> 00:54:59,450
this is a knock on most jujitsu fighters, do not

891
00:54:59,450 –> 00:55:03,289
know how to strike. Weirdly

892
00:55:03,289 –> 00:55:06,990
enough to your point for all of their training in striking,

893
00:55:08,445 –> 00:55:12,285
ground game, kicking, where the emphasis is

894
00:55:12,285 –> 00:55:15,965
placed most is on kicking, then ground

895
00:55:15,965 –> 00:55:19,485
game, and maybe then punching. But the

896
00:55:19,485 –> 00:55:23,190
punches pound for pound like, we just know this. The punches

897
00:55:23,330 –> 00:55:27,090
pound for pound are not nearly as impactful or

898
00:55:27,090 –> 00:55:30,050
nearly as powerful as those of a,

899
00:55:30,770 –> 00:55:34,470
of a of a professional, a professional boxer. So,

900
00:55:35,525 –> 00:55:37,765
look, we can we can to your point, we could do a whole just like

901
00:55:37,765 –> 00:55:40,805
with film, we do a whole podcast episode on this. The leadership lessons from the

902
00:55:40,805 –> 00:55:42,185
UFC. Leadership

903
00:55:44,965 –> 00:55:48,325
lessons from Fight Club. That’s what we should call it. There there you go. It’s

904
00:55:48,325 –> 00:55:51,569
right. Hey. That might actually be a good episode. We might actually do fight club.

905
00:55:51,569 –> 00:55:53,589
I let I do like that book, and I do like the movie.

906
00:55:56,369 –> 00:56:00,210
We would be violating the first rule, though. That that’s true.

907
00:56:00,210 –> 00:56:03,005
That’s true. So, we’re done now, and you have a good

908
00:56:04,025 –> 00:56:07,805
day. Shortest podcast we’ve ever done. Yeah. Okay.

909
00:56:07,865 –> 00:56:11,464
So surprises. Right? Were there any

910
00:56:11,464 –> 00:56:14,204
surprises for you when you wrote this book?

911
00:56:15,170 –> 00:56:18,930
Were you surprised by any either any people that you picked, any quotes that you

912
00:56:18,930 –> 00:56:22,530
picked, or you surprised by any analysis that you gave, or that you

913
00:56:22,530 –> 00:56:26,210
developed? Like, what were some surprises for you in or or maybe even putting the

914
00:56:26,210 –> 00:56:29,570
book together? Because you actually don’t talk about how books get put together. I talked

915
00:56:29,570 –> 00:56:33,224
a little bit about it when when I self published my

916
00:56:33,224 –> 00:56:37,065
book, 12 rules for leaders. Mhmm. But were there even were there

917
00:56:37,065 –> 00:56:40,505
even any surprises that you discovered in, in putting

918
00:56:40,505 –> 00:56:44,185
together, putting together the book or the people or your analysis or

919
00:56:44,185 –> 00:56:48,000
or any of that? I think, I think the

920
00:56:48,000 –> 00:56:51,700
easier the easiest one to answer of of all of that would be,

921
00:56:53,360 –> 00:56:56,800
would be the the the the people that I selected. Right?

922
00:56:56,800 –> 00:56:59,920
So when I first when I first started

923
00:57:00,425 –> 00:57:03,325
again, this this came about this this has been,

924
00:57:04,825 –> 00:57:07,724
10 years in the making. Right? So this I I I started

925
00:57:09,065 –> 00:57:12,825
thinking about the first time I ever thought about doing this, it was originally thought

926
00:57:12,825 –> 00:57:16,430
of as doing it as social media posts when, like, when we were really starting

927
00:57:16,430 –> 00:57:20,270
to really move on the idea or the

928
00:57:20,270 –> 00:57:23,950
concept of social selling and and, you know, and putting products and services on social

929
00:57:23,950 –> 00:57:27,795
media to for so which was may plus or minus. It was about

930
00:57:27,795 –> 00:57:30,435
10 years ago. I I know people can argue it was a little bit longer

931
00:57:30,435 –> 00:57:34,115
than that. Whatever. It doesn’t matter. But, anyway, so I started

932
00:57:34,115 –> 00:57:36,915
coming up with, like, a I was, like, you know, let me come up with

933
00:57:36,915 –> 00:57:40,110
a couple of really good business quotes. And I I went to the, you know,

934
00:57:40,110 –> 00:57:43,950
the Richard Branson’s of the world and the Jeff Bezos. Tony Robbins was probably one

935
00:57:43,950 –> 00:57:47,790
of the first people that I I looked up when I started thinking about doing,

936
00:57:48,190 –> 00:57:52,030
this. But I started it this all started really as social media

937
00:57:52,030 –> 00:57:55,410
posts. And and how I selected the people

938
00:57:55,935 –> 00:57:59,775
just became I’ll just be honest.

939
00:57:59,775 –> 00:58:03,375
It’s it’s started to become random. Like, I really it was ran it was

940
00:58:03,375 –> 00:58:06,815
like it was like, wait. Like, because again, so when you think

941
00:58:06,815 –> 00:58:10,335
of these quotes, the first thought or the

942
00:58:10,335 –> 00:58:14,069
first idea or concept, like, you you think of what can

943
00:58:14,069 –> 00:58:17,829
we use to motivate our people? Can we think of a a motivational quote?

944
00:58:17,829 –> 00:58:21,609
We always use motivational quotes motivational quotes. So I’m thinking to myself,

945
00:58:22,309 –> 00:58:26,045
okay. So Tony Robbins and, you know, a couple others that that

946
00:58:26,045 –> 00:58:29,805
are in the motivational world, you know, the the the Brian Tracy’s of the

947
00:58:29,805 –> 00:58:33,565
world and Zig Ziglar and whoever. Right? But there’s only so many

948
00:58:33,565 –> 00:58:37,005
of them that you get really good quotes from before it starts getting to be

949
00:58:37,164 –> 00:58:40,869
you’re now, you’re now basically peddling

950
00:58:40,869 –> 00:58:44,710
Tony Robbins everywhere. Right? Like, you you just Right. You you start sounding like you’re

951
00:58:44,710 –> 00:58:48,550
a Tony Robbins reseller. So then I was

952
00:58:48,550 –> 00:58:52,310
like, well, I was like, who else do we take motivation from? We probably get

953
00:58:52,310 –> 00:58:55,964
motivation from athletes. Let me look up and see if any athletes have any, like,

954
00:58:55,964 –> 00:58:59,724
famous quotes. So I just said, you know, famous quotes from athletes in the Google

955
00:58:59,724 –> 00:59:02,704
search, and it popped up a couple. And then I was like,

956
00:59:03,164 –> 00:59:06,525
interesting. Like, then I started to go, like, motivational quotes

957
00:59:06,525 –> 00:59:09,859
from, you know, from business leaders or whatever. And that’s it just

958
00:59:10,019 –> 00:59:13,779
honestly, it just started I just started thinking, where do we

959
00:59:13,779 –> 00:59:17,480
get our motivation from, and and where does that how do how do we

960
00:59:17,859 –> 00:59:21,325
find these people? It opened up the doors to me quite

961
00:59:21,325 –> 00:59:23,825
honestly to and I was thinking about, like,

962
00:59:25,085 –> 00:59:27,805
some of the quotes that are in the book, by the way, are, like, if

963
00:59:27,805 –> 00:59:31,485
you look up the the section about historical figures. Mhmm. I

964
00:59:31,850 –> 00:59:35,450
when you talk about, like, favorites. Right? So I actually do have one of my

965
00:59:35,450 –> 00:59:38,670
favorites in in the mode in the historical figure part.

966
00:59:39,290 –> 00:59:42,890
And and then I go down these rabbit holes where I’ll I’ll see a quote

967
00:59:42,890 –> 00:59:46,545
from somebody and I’ll start I’ll be like, oh, where did that quote come from?

968
00:59:46,545 –> 00:59:49,744
How did that guy learn that? Where did that or girl. Sorry. Because there are

969
00:59:49,744 –> 00:59:53,105
plenty of women in the book. But, you know, where where did that person learn

970
00:59:53,105 –> 00:59:56,704
that? How did that person like, whatever. So one of the historical figures that I

971
00:59:56,704 –> 01:00:00,460
can’t George Washington Carver, that guy blew my mind

972
01:00:00,460 –> 01:00:03,820
when I read about him. Like, I don’t know if there’s a if there’s a

973
01:00:03,820 –> 01:00:07,020
biography written about him, but if there is, you should probably cover on this on

974
01:00:07,020 –> 01:00:10,780
this podcast at some point. Because the more and more I read about this guy,

975
01:00:10,780 –> 01:00:14,515
the more impressed I was with him as a human being. It it is

976
01:00:14,595 –> 01:00:17,735
and and it was so

977
01:00:18,675 –> 01:00:22,455
I’m looking at George Washington Carver on on Amazon right now. Go ahead.

978
01:00:22,675 –> 01:00:24,595
You’re looking at, oh, to see if there’s a book about him? To see if

979
01:00:24,595 –> 01:00:28,200
there’s a book about him. Yeah. So he he was born in

980
01:00:28,200 –> 01:00:31,960
18/64, and he lived until 1943. Think of

981
01:00:31,960 –> 01:00:35,640
the stuff that that man had seen in his lifetime. Like,

982
01:00:35,640 –> 01:00:39,420
just just just that time frame and the fact that

983
01:00:39,855 –> 01:00:43,455
he was able to go to college, get

984
01:00:43,455 –> 01:00:46,975
advanced degrees, start he actually started a

985
01:00:46,975 –> 01:00:50,655
college program, at I believe it was at

986
01:00:50,655 –> 01:00:54,035
Tuskegee, University or something like that about

987
01:00:54,369 –> 01:00:57,970
about agriculture. And and the guy was amazing. He was brilliant. And,

988
01:00:57,970 –> 01:01:01,330
like and then so he his quote in the book I I won’t read the

989
01:01:01,330 –> 01:01:03,330
whole thing if you don’t want me to. But the his quote in the book

990
01:01:03,330 –> 01:01:07,170
was 99% of all failures come from people who have

991
01:01:07,170 –> 01:01:10,855
a habit of making excuses. How is that not appropriate

992
01:01:10,855 –> 01:01:14,535
today? Like like, I was just

993
01:01:14,775 –> 01:01:18,535
I I read that, and I was like, we we could write a

994
01:01:18,535 –> 01:01:22,214
book about that quote. I mean, seriously, we can write a book about that quote.

995
01:01:22,214 –> 01:01:25,930
And even, like, I even started out in the in the book

996
01:01:25,930 –> 01:01:29,450
on my thoughts about about the quote. I wrote, you know, first things first, what

997
01:01:29,450 –> 01:01:32,730
an amazing guy. Like, I’d suggest if you ever have a chance to read his

998
01:01:32,730 –> 01:01:36,510
biography to do so, I’m certain you’ll be impressed by by his story too.

999
01:01:36,810 –> 01:01:40,454
1 of the most resilient, sorry. His

1000
01:01:40,454 –> 01:01:44,214
story is one of resilience, the power of perspective, and a testament to

1001
01:01:44,214 –> 01:01:47,815
the strength of his own nature. Like, this guy was a force

1002
01:01:47,815 –> 01:01:51,414
and just went under the radar from most people most of his

1003
01:01:51,414 –> 01:01:55,090
life. But if you actually see his accomplishments, what they meant to the

1004
01:01:55,090 –> 01:01:58,530
agricultural world today, that they still actually use his

1005
01:01:58,530 –> 01:02:02,290
philosophies and his theories, it’s incredible how

1006
01:02:02,290 –> 01:02:05,744
impactful this guy was that nobody even really knows about. Like, it’s

1007
01:02:05,904 –> 01:02:08,964
Yeah. Everybody’s like, the peanut guy? What? What? What are you talking about?

1008
01:02:09,265 –> 01:02:12,545
Exactly. People are like, oh, wait. George Washington Carver, was was he a real guy?

1009
01:02:12,545 –> 01:02:15,825
Like, did you know? Was I

1010
01:02:16,065 –> 01:02:19,290
somebody asked me when I brought him up one time. Somebody asked me. I was

1011
01:02:19,290 –> 01:02:22,170
like, oh, is that the guy that 12 years a slave was made out of?

1012
01:02:22,170 –> 01:02:26,010
Like, made no. No. This guy wasn’t even alive at that point. Like, he

1013
01:02:26,010 –> 01:02:29,790
wasn’t, like but he was born in 18/64, which means

1014
01:02:30,010 –> 01:02:33,370
there was a possibility that he technically was born a

1015
01:02:33,370 –> 01:02:37,055
slave. Probably didn’t live his life as a slave very, you

1016
01:02:37,055 –> 01:02:40,775
know, obviously, because 19 18/64 was what it was abolished. But

1017
01:02:40,895 –> 01:02:44,035
Right. But there was a very there was a very high probability

1018
01:02:44,575 –> 01:02:48,255
that he was born into slavery and then released as a young

1019
01:02:48,255 –> 01:02:52,013
child, as a toddler even. But Mhmm. But if

1020
01:02:52,013 –> 01:02:55,630
you think about born into slavery and then in 1943, he

1021
01:02:55,630 –> 01:02:59,248
saw World War 2. Like, that to me is just blows

1022
01:02:59,248 –> 01:03:02,866
my mind. Like, that alone that alone, that that time frame

1023
01:03:02,866 –> 01:03:06,155
alone just boggles my mind. But then to think about all the stuff that he

1024
01:03:06,155 –> 01:03:09,995
accomplished and the things that that he did, it was incredible. Well, he was

1025
01:03:09,995 –> 01:03:13,375
part of that generation that also included folks like,

1026
01:03:14,155 –> 01:03:17,935
w e b Dubois, who we covered on this podcast,

1027
01:03:18,510 –> 01:03:22,270
Booker T Washington, whose book Up From Slavery, we we we

1028
01:03:22,270 –> 01:03:25,650
covered. Those those

1029
01:03:25,870 –> 01:03:29,650
men and women that came directly out of that

1030
01:03:30,030 –> 01:03:32,770
post slavery reconstruction era,

1031
01:03:35,185 –> 01:03:38,945
quite frankly, their attitude was this. From from

1032
01:03:38,945 –> 01:03:42,625
from from the poorest person to the W. E. B. Du

1033
01:03:42,625 –> 01:03:45,665
Bois types who had never been in slavery, who were up in, you know, up

1034
01:03:45,665 –> 01:03:48,645
in the northeast and were were historically freedmen,

1035
01:03:49,560 –> 01:03:52,940
their attitude to a person was,

1036
01:03:53,640 –> 01:03:57,000
oh, we’re free. Let’s just go

1037
01:03:57,000 –> 01:04:00,440
grab as much as we possibly can as fast as we can

1038
01:04:00,440 –> 01:04:03,175
possibly grab it before,

1039
01:04:04,755 –> 01:04:07,475
before we’re before it’s found out that it’s all a joke or something like that

1040
01:04:07,475 –> 01:04:10,835
or whatever before we’re going back. Right? Because it could be taken away from

1041
01:04:10,835 –> 01:04:13,815
us. And so they just worked ruthlessly

1042
01:04:15,270 –> 01:04:18,970
and pursued excellence ruthlessly,

1043
01:04:21,110 –> 01:04:24,950
in spite of to your to the to the point of the quote, in

1044
01:04:24,950 –> 01:04:28,585
spite, and and or not in spite of. And looked at everything. They pursued

1045
01:04:28,585 –> 01:04:32,105
ruthlessly excellence and looked at anything outside of that as mere

1046
01:04:32,105 –> 01:04:35,885
excuse making. Like Booker t Washington, he taught himself how to read.

1047
01:04:36,345 –> 01:04:39,785
Yeah. Right. And he’s like, okay. I’m just gonna go teach myself how to read.

1048
01:04:39,785 –> 01:04:43,210
Like, why is that a problem? And this is a guy who had, like, literally

1049
01:04:43,349 –> 01:04:46,890
0 well, not literally, but almost zero schooling

1050
01:04:47,829 –> 01:04:51,589
from the age of 5 to something like 12 or 13. You

1051
01:04:51,589 –> 01:04:55,164
know? So he started from scratch at 13, and he’s just like, yeah.

1052
01:04:55,164 –> 01:04:59,005
It’s fine. Whatever. I’ll just go figure it out. Like, it’s fine. Why are we

1053
01:04:59,964 –> 01:05:02,924
what’s the problem? Whereas in our era

1054
01:05:03,805 –> 01:05:07,480
He’s a good example. He’s a good example too of I I tell people this

1055
01:05:07,480 –> 01:05:11,320
is one of my again, one of my favorite thought

1056
01:05:11,320 –> 01:05:14,460
processes. I’m not suggesting it’s a quote or anything, but, like Mhmm.

1057
01:05:15,160 –> 01:05:18,600
You don’t need a school to be

1058
01:05:18,600 –> 01:05:22,145
educated. You don’t need a college or a university

1059
01:05:22,445 –> 01:05:26,125
to consider yourself educated. Education is

1060
01:05:26,125 –> 01:05:28,865
the is the, is obtaining

1061
01:05:29,565 –> 01:05:33,320
information and learning learning from that information and

1062
01:05:33,320 –> 01:05:37,160
utilizing that information in a in a practical way. It has nothing to do

1063
01:05:37,160 –> 01:05:40,920
with what school you go to, what school you graduate from, what none

1064
01:05:40,920 –> 01:05:43,980
of that is relevant to the term educated.

1065
01:05:44,520 –> 01:05:48,194
Right. Right. Exactly. Yeah. And he just he’s a very, very

1066
01:05:48,194 –> 01:05:51,714
good example of that. So when you look at

1067
01:05:51,795 –> 01:05:55,635
okay. So so Carver, you know, and how you

1068
01:05:55,635 –> 01:05:58,275
pick the people you picked. The the structure of the book, how did you set

1069
01:05:58,275 –> 01:06:00,675
it up? Talk talk us through that. What do we have to expect when we

1070
01:06:00,675 –> 01:06:04,463
open up the book? What are we gonna what are

1071
01:06:04,463 –> 01:06:07,770
we gonna see? So the structure of the book so, obviously, the table of contents

1072
01:06:07,770 –> 01:06:11,450
just tells you how they’re categorized. Right? Mhmm. So and and that was the

1073
01:06:11,450 –> 01:06:15,085
simplest version for me. Because I was thinking, should I put

1074
01:06:15,085 –> 01:06:18,525
all the people in it? Should I take the the table of contents and actually

1075
01:06:18,525 –> 01:06:21,905
list out the people in the pages you can find them? And I was like,

1076
01:06:22,285 –> 01:06:24,765
never mind. I’m not doing that. Like, I just thought that would be too much

1077
01:06:24,765 –> 01:06:28,525
work for me, not necessarily for the reader. I actually think it would have benefited

1078
01:06:28,525 –> 01:06:32,150
the reader if I did it that way. But for me, it was

1079
01:06:32,150 –> 01:06:35,829
just less work. Anyway, so the table of contents just

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01:06:35,829 –> 01:06:39,349
categorizes them. Before each chapter, there’s a

1081
01:06:39,349 –> 01:06:42,869
brief, a brief description of the chapter itself and a couple of my

1082
01:06:42,869 –> 01:06:46,365
thoughts about the people you’re about to read about. You know? So for

1083
01:06:46,365 –> 01:06:49,825
example, if you’re going to the section that is about entertainment,

1084
01:06:50,285 –> 01:06:54,125
and this is, chapter 4 in the, the entertainment business, there’s a

1085
01:06:54,205 –> 01:06:57,905
there’s basically a section that say, you know, again, I’ll just read the first paragraph.

1086
01:06:58,200 –> 01:07:01,640
I’d like to preface this chapter by reminding you that the following quotes are from

1087
01:07:01,640 –> 01:07:05,240
people in the entertainment industry and should be taken as such. Even my

1088
01:07:05,240 –> 01:07:09,000
interpretations of the quotes might seem a bit, might seem like a bit

1089
01:07:09,000 –> 01:07:12,140
of a stretch, but these quotes have shown to be influential.

1090
01:07:12,675 –> 01:07:16,275
So, again, so from the entertainment business, we’re talking about the people, you

1091
01:07:16,275 –> 01:07:20,115
know, the Walt Disney’s of the world, the Audrey Hepburn’s of the world, Jonathan

1092
01:07:20,115 –> 01:07:23,715
Winters, things like that. So we all those people that we find as

1093
01:07:23,715 –> 01:07:27,500
entertainers, I I try to get people in the mindset of what you’re about to

1094
01:07:27,500 –> 01:07:30,940
read. It’s but don’t forget, these are actors and

1095
01:07:30,940 –> 01:07:34,780
actresses. These are people that, you know, you shouldn’t be living your life

1096
01:07:34,780 –> 01:07:38,585
based on what they think of you. Okay? Like, these

1097
01:07:38,585 –> 01:07:42,184
are not people that have been in the trenches and, you know, have the

1098
01:07:42,184 –> 01:07:46,025
scrapes and bruises in their knees and elbows from, you know, from army crawling in

1099
01:07:46,025 –> 01:07:49,625
World War 2 or, you know, or people that have, you

1100
01:07:49,625 –> 01:07:53,320
know, lived on the streets for 3 months before they started their company and

1101
01:07:53,320 –> 01:07:56,840
now they’re a billionaire. That so they’ve they’ve, like, they’ve been there, done that, and

1102
01:07:56,840 –> 01:07:59,820
they’ve lived through these are those are people that, like, when you take

1103
01:08:00,280 –> 01:08:03,665
information from those types of people, that hits

1104
01:08:03,725 –> 01:08:07,405
differently than somebody who’s literally sitting on a on a on a on the

1105
01:08:07,405 –> 01:08:11,185
silver screen and saying, work harder. Go

1106
01:08:11,245 –> 01:08:14,945
fry. Like, you’re telling me like, it might again,

1107
01:08:15,005 –> 01:08:18,260
one of my favorite things. When an athlete, a professional

1108
01:08:18,479 –> 01:08:22,000
athlete, and for those of you who have never done this, I’m gonna I’m gonna

1109
01:08:22,000 –> 01:08:25,840
suggest you go look up Aaron Donald of the of

1110
01:08:25,840 –> 01:08:29,359
the Washington I’m sorry, of the LA Rams. And you can

1111
01:08:29,359 –> 01:08:33,064
see a picture of him working out. By the way,

1112
01:08:33,064 –> 01:08:35,564
that man that you’re looking at is about £275.

1113
01:08:37,145 –> 01:08:40,905
He’s a giant ass human being that when you look at him on a

1114
01:08:40,905 –> 01:08:44,609
football field, you think he’s bit one of the big fat linemen. Right? You

1115
01:08:44,770 –> 01:08:47,170
think he’s one of the big fat linemen on the football field, you look at

1116
01:08:47,170 –> 01:08:50,770
him when he works out, this guy is shredded at 3 at

1117
01:08:50,770 –> 01:08:54,310
almost £300. And you’re gonna give me workout advice?

1118
01:08:54,689 –> 01:08:58,215
Little old me that’s a £185 and soaking wet,

1119
01:08:58,375 –> 01:09:02,135
and I the only thing ripped on me is my jeans. I look at

1120
01:09:02,135 –> 01:09:05,094
that image and you say, you’re just gonna live more. You’re just gonna work hard.

1121
01:09:05,094 –> 01:09:08,854
Go fry. Like, you make sure you understand where your advice is coming

1122
01:09:08,854 –> 01:09:12,614
from. So that’s kind of the premise. So again, back to the

1123
01:09:12,614 –> 01:09:15,870
structure of the book. So I I put a pair I put a page like

1124
01:09:15,870 –> 01:09:19,469
that before every pair every, chapter so that you can understand

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01:09:19,469 –> 01:09:22,830
where my mindset is when I’m looking at these quotes from the incoming

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01:09:22,830 –> 01:09:26,350
chapters. The second thing that you’ll see in the book is I give you a

1127
01:09:26,350 –> 01:09:29,774
little bit of I wouldn’t say

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01:09:29,774 –> 01:09:33,614
history, but there’s at least a little synopsis of who the person is if you’ve

1129
01:09:33,614 –> 01:09:37,395
never heard of them before. The George Washington Carver one’s a good example.

1130
01:09:38,094 –> 01:09:40,895
If you’ve never heard of him, and you can you can look him up even

1131
01:09:40,895 –> 01:09:44,660
on his Wikipedia page is actually decent. I’m not saying I’m not suggesting

1132
01:09:44,660 –> 01:09:48,500
it’s his biography, but it’s decent. But even from his Wikipedia page, you find out

1133
01:09:48,500 –> 01:09:52,200
that he lived in 18/64 to to 1943. He was an American

1134
01:09:52,340 –> 01:09:56,100
agricultural scientist and inventor. He promoted alternative crops to

1135
01:09:56,100 –> 01:09:59,885
cotton and methods to prevent soil depletion, again, which are still being

1136
01:09:59,885 –> 01:10:03,725
used today, by the way. So this is, he

1137
01:10:03,725 –> 01:10:07,485
was one of the most prominent black scientists of the early 20th century

1138
01:10:07,485 –> 01:10:11,325
while I a professor at Tuskegee Institute. So I was right at West

1139
01:10:11,325 –> 01:10:15,170
Tuskegee. He developed techniques to improve all types of soils depleted

1140
01:10:15,310 –> 01:10:19,070
by, re by repeated planting of cotton. Under his leadership, the ex

1141
01:10:19,390 –> 01:10:22,850
the experiment station at Tuskegee published over 40 practical

1142
01:10:22,990 –> 01:10:26,670
bulletins for farmers, many of them written by him directly, which

1143
01:10:26,670 –> 01:10:30,364
included recipes. Many of them, were advice

1144
01:10:31,705 –> 01:10:35,085
specifically targeting poor farmers, including,

1145
01:10:36,665 –> 01:10:40,185
financial means, producing bigger crops, and preserving and and

1146
01:10:40,185 –> 01:10:43,920
preserving foods. The guy was amazing. So, like, I put little

1147
01:10:43,980 –> 01:10:47,680
things like that in the book for you so you understand who the person was,

1148
01:10:48,060 –> 01:10:51,900
why. And when you when you read the little excerpts about who

1149
01:10:51,900 –> 01:10:55,645
they are and then you read the quote, the quote makes a little more sense

1150
01:10:55,645 –> 01:10:59,425
to know kinda where they’re coming from. And then Okay. I my hope

1151
01:10:59,565 –> 01:11:02,925
is that if you understand them a little bit more, the quote a little bit

1152
01:11:02,925 –> 01:11:06,605
more, then my my kinda insights into the quote

1153
01:11:06,605 –> 01:11:10,170
makes a little bit more sense to you. And that’s essentially the entire book. That’s

1154
01:11:10,170 –> 01:11:14,010
essentially the structure of the book. Okay. Okay. Cool. So easy

1155
01:11:14,010 –> 01:11:17,530
read. Like you said, it’s about 286 pages, but easy read you could bend

1156
01:11:17,530 –> 01:11:21,290
about. You can select. You can, you can you could sample from it, but

1157
01:11:21,290 –> 01:11:23,790
you could also read it. You could also read it straight through.

1158
01:11:24,925 –> 01:11:28,685
Okay. So we’re we’re turning to the corner here. Wanna wrap up.

1159
01:11:28,685 –> 01:11:32,304
This has been a good conversation. I am I am,

1160
01:11:32,925 –> 01:11:36,765
excited and proud of Tom for for writing a book, for getting out

1161
01:11:36,765 –> 01:11:40,410
there and, and putting putting his his thoughts,

1162
01:11:41,110 –> 01:11:44,790
around these quotes and his interpretations, around

1163
01:11:44,790 –> 01:11:48,630
these quotes, for, for folks, like yourself who are listening

1164
01:11:48,630 –> 01:11:51,530
to the podcast and other readers as well.

1165
01:11:52,935 –> 01:11:56,615
I was interested to

1166
01:11:56,615 –> 01:12:00,455
see, other than other than Bruce Lee, a couple

1167
01:12:00,455 –> 01:12:04,215
of other folks jumped out at me. Richard Branson was one of the folks

1168
01:12:04,215 –> 01:12:08,055
that jumped out at me. Interestingly enough, I am 3 degrees. We talked about this

1169
01:12:08,055 –> 01:12:11,870
just before we hit, before we hit record. I’m 3 degrees separated

1170
01:12:11,870 –> 01:12:15,710
from Richard Branson. I don’t know the man, but I could tap him on the

1171
01:12:15,710 –> 01:12:19,330
shoulder, I think. Maybe get a plane from him or something. I don’t know.

1172
01:12:20,190 –> 01:12:23,235
Might get some some interesting Virgin Airlines chocolate. I don’t know.

1173
01:12:24,195 –> 01:12:28,034
But, the other person that jumped out to me and

1174
01:12:28,034 –> 01:12:30,594
and you had a couple of quotes in here, and I was actually joking with

1175
01:12:30,594 –> 01:12:34,355
my daughter, this weekend, in a different kind of context

1176
01:12:34,355 –> 01:12:37,014
about this guy. And I was sort of doing a half

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01:12:38,270 –> 01:12:40,450
way sort of English accent.

1178
01:12:42,670 –> 01:12:46,270
Winston Churchill. And I’m I’m I’m

1179
01:12:46,270 –> 01:12:49,710
fascinated because and I wanna know why you picked

1180
01:12:49,710 –> 01:12:52,370
Churchill, and what your thoughts were behind Churchill.

1181
01:12:54,485 –> 01:12:57,764
And the reason why I’m fascinated with by Churchill is because he was a person

1182
01:12:57,764 –> 01:13:01,065
who was undeniably a man of contradictions.

1183
01:13:02,085 –> 01:13:05,704
He fought in World War 1. He was an old school British

1184
01:13:05,764 –> 01:13:09,489
imperialist and colonialist. He, did

1185
01:13:09,489 –> 01:13:11,989
not fundamentally believe that,

1186
01:13:14,130 –> 01:13:17,890
well, he was unreconstructed around race and

1187
01:13:17,890 –> 01:13:20,925
ethnicity in all of the ways that we would find to be

1188
01:13:21,324 –> 01:13:25,165
obnoxious today in today’s society, like, a Churchill walking around in

1189
01:13:25,165 –> 01:13:28,784
today’s society, he would be booted from polite society immediately.

1190
01:13:29,005 –> 01:13:32,684
Him and GK Chesterton would be on an island somewhere, and they would be have

1191
01:13:32,684 –> 01:13:36,300
their they would have their phones taken away from them so they could never tweet

1192
01:13:36,300 –> 01:13:40,140
or speak again. But he was

1193
01:13:40,140 –> 01:13:43,980
also with that being said, he was also a

1194
01:13:43,980 –> 01:13:47,375
brilliant marketer

1195
01:13:47,915 –> 01:13:51,355
for the British empire. He was a

1196
01:13:51,355 –> 01:13:54,575
brilliant philosopher of

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01:13:54,715 –> 01:13:58,495
what success actually means. And to Churchill’s

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01:13:58,635 –> 01:14:02,170
credit and I think this is probably because of the darker sides of him that

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01:14:02,170 –> 01:14:04,969
he understood. By the way, he was also a painter, which people don’t know about

1200
01:14:04,969 –> 01:14:07,630
that. He was a prolific writer, which people don’t know about that.

1201
01:14:09,449 –> 01:14:12,889
But Churchill understood something about the the

1202
01:14:12,889 –> 01:14:16,285
motivating philosophy of man, and he understood it

1203
01:14:16,285 –> 01:14:19,965
enough to rally England during the time

1204
01:14:19,965 –> 01:14:23,105
of, and the British empire, but to rally England

1205
01:14:23,405 –> 01:14:27,245
to to not side with Hitler, during World War

1206
01:14:27,245 –> 01:14:30,770
2, but instead to to fight against

1207
01:14:30,770 –> 01:14:34,530
Hitler during World War 2. And we could deconstruct all that like we’re doing everything

1208
01:14:34,530 –> 01:14:37,890
else in our current era and finding all the problems with him and chucking him

1209
01:14:37,890 –> 01:14:41,490
out on the, the trash bin of history, just like the British

1210
01:14:41,490 –> 01:14:45,245
chucked him out after they were done with World War 2. But

1211
01:14:46,425 –> 01:14:50,185
Churchill’s quotes and the impact

1212
01:14:50,185 –> 01:14:53,725
of Winston Churchill still ring down

1213
01:14:54,265 –> 01:14:57,565
almost 90 years now distant

1214
01:14:58,185 –> 01:15:01,940
from World War 2. Why did you pick Churchill?

1215
01:15:02,000 –> 01:15:05,840
Talk about the Churchillian quotes in the book. And then I wanna ask you about,

1216
01:15:06,159 –> 01:15:09,440
leadership lessons that we should be getting from, from your book there. So talk a

1217
01:15:09,440 –> 01:15:13,185
little about Churchill. Alright. So before before I talk about him,

1218
01:15:13,345 –> 01:15:17,105
let let me just I’m gonna I’m not gonna read the, excerpts for I’m just

1219
01:15:17,105 –> 01:15:20,165
gonna read the the the quotes. Right? So there are 2 quotes here.

1220
01:15:20,465 –> 01:15:24,145
So Churchill said, the pessimist sees difficulty

1221
01:15:24,145 –> 01:15:27,825
in every opportunity. The optimist sees opportunity in every

1222
01:15:27,825 –> 01:15:31,040
difficulty. The second quote, success

1223
01:15:31,420 –> 01:15:35,040
is walking from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm.

1224
01:15:35,900 –> 01:15:39,659
Reading those two quotes, I I’ll throw it right back at how

1225
01:15:39,659 –> 01:15:43,425
could I not put them in this book? If you think about quotes that

1226
01:15:43,425 –> 01:15:46,085
can help business people be more successful,

1227
01:15:47,665 –> 01:15:50,704
that that literally I don’t even have to read anything else. Why would you not

1228
01:15:50,704 –> 01:15:54,485
put Churchill in this book? I mean, to your point to your point,

1229
01:15:54,784 –> 01:15:58,010
he had this he had this charisma,

1230
01:15:58,310 –> 01:16:01,989
this motivational charisma that was basically

1231
01:16:01,989 –> 01:16:05,690
unheard of at the time. Right? Mhmm. Like, you you couldn’t I mean,

1232
01:16:06,710 –> 01:16:10,295
sure, we had Patton and and soldiers would run through walls for

1233
01:16:10,295 –> 01:16:13,735
Patton, but Patton wasn’t moving a nation. Right? Like Oh, no.

1234
01:16:13,815 –> 01:16:17,335
Soldiers appreciated Patton because they looked at him as somebody that that he

1235
01:16:17,495 –> 01:16:21,175
Patton was the the, the the the the

1236
01:16:21,175 –> 01:16:24,750
boss that would never ask you to do something that he wouldn’t do himself. Right?

1237
01:16:24,750 –> 01:16:28,349
Right. Yep. If he’s asking you to run into that into that firing range, that’s

1238
01:16:28,349 –> 01:16:31,730
because he’s right there with you, or he’s been there, done that.

1239
01:16:32,110 –> 01:16:35,889
Churchill was more like the guy sitting back going

1240
01:16:36,269 –> 01:16:39,895
the he was the cheerleader, the the the you can do it. I

1241
01:16:39,895 –> 01:16:43,255
I know you can do it. Have you done it? No. That’s not it’s not

1242
01:16:43,255 –> 01:16:45,895
about what I can do. It’s about what I know you can do. Like, you

1243
01:16:45,895 –> 01:16:49,415
know what I mean? So he was he was basically a motivational speaker before the

1244
01:16:49,415 –> 01:16:53,220
motivational speaker thing even even happened. So Yeah. No.

1245
01:16:53,220 –> 01:16:56,980
That’s true. So again, for this book, I ask you why how

1246
01:16:56,980 –> 01:16:59,620
could you do a book like this without putting Churchill in it? I don’t think

1247
01:16:59,620 –> 01:17:03,220
a book like this could happen without having Churchill quotes in it. Yeah.

1248
01:17:03,220 –> 01:17:06,835
Yeah. Like I said, he he he is a he

1249
01:17:06,835 –> 01:17:10,595
was definitely he was definitely a colonialist. Like, he

1250
01:17:10,595 –> 01:17:14,375
believed in the imperial right to rule. Right? And yet

1251
01:17:14,515 –> 01:17:17,975
and which again creates tensions in our modern era. Right? But

1252
01:17:18,850 –> 01:17:22,210
to your point about quotes, I mean, there’s one famous quote. I was this is

1253
01:17:22,210 –> 01:17:25,890
what I was joking with with my daughter about where he’s at some party with

1254
01:17:25,890 –> 01:17:29,250
some woman. I can’t remember what the context is. It was some

1255
01:17:29,250 –> 01:17:32,610
diplomatic party, and people will correct me on this when they hear

1256
01:17:32,610 –> 01:17:36,065
it. And, I think it was, some

1257
01:17:36,065 –> 01:17:39,825
diplomat’s wife. And she said to him, you know, if

1258
01:17:39,825 –> 01:17:43,585
you were my husband, I would poison you or something to that effect. And

1259
01:17:43,585 –> 01:17:47,185
Churchill, without missing a beat, says back to

1260
01:17:47,185 –> 01:17:50,900
her, ma’am, if I were your husband, I would drink the poison.

1261
01:17:50,960 –> 01:17:52,980
Right? Or some variation of that.

1262
01:17:55,040 –> 01:17:58,340
Oh, didn’t he say something like I would happily drink the poison or something? Yeah.

1263
01:18:00,880 –> 01:18:04,665
Like, he didn’t. The man didn’t miss. He did

1264
01:18:04,665 –> 01:18:08,425
not miss. He never missed. And the reason why

1265
01:18:08,505 –> 01:18:12,105
or rarely missed. And the reason why I think was because he understood to your

1266
01:18:12,105 –> 01:18:15,590
point about cheering from the back. He understood

1267
01:18:15,810 –> 01:18:19,590
and those those quotes as well. He understood something about human nature

1268
01:18:20,770 –> 01:18:24,530
at a at a very deep level, but then he also understood how to

1269
01:18:24,530 –> 01:18:28,369
communicate that in its simplest, most direct

1270
01:18:28,369 –> 01:18:32,165
manner and its most impactful manner

1271
01:18:32,305 –> 01:18:35,825
and weirdly enough at the tie at the appropriate time.

1272
01:18:35,825 –> 01:18:39,605
Right? So, his, you know, his his

1273
01:18:40,065 –> 01:18:43,825
his speeches, his proclamations, and, of course, he took advantage

1274
01:18:43,825 –> 01:18:47,639
of radio, which was a relatively new technology at the time

1275
01:18:47,780 –> 01:18:50,760
that allowed him and allowed his voice just like with Roosevelt,

1276
01:18:51,380 –> 01:18:55,060
allowed him to rouse a nation, out of their, out of their,

1277
01:18:55,300 –> 01:18:59,085
collective, their collective slumber. I do I do wanna read one

1278
01:18:59,085 –> 01:19:02,605
one part. Right? So in the in the quote, success is walking from

1279
01:19:02,605 –> 01:19:06,045
failure to failure with no loss of no loss of

1280
01:19:06,045 –> 01:19:09,725
enthusiasm. I I wrote, let’s be transparent here. I don’t know

1281
01:19:09,725 –> 01:19:13,449
what, the reference or what this quote is pertaining to, but I’m

1282
01:19:13,449 –> 01:19:17,210
hoping he wasn’t speaking about military failures. I couldn’t even imagine having

1283
01:19:17,210 –> 01:19:20,969
failure after failure, losing lives, and being enthusiastic about going into the next

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battle. But that was Winston Churchill for you. Yeah. Oh, there you go.

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Yeah. So, I mean, you

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know, it it again, it’s there’s there’s actually a a

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third quote in here from him saying, success is never final, failure is never

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fatal. It is courage that counts. So, like Yeah. To your point,

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though, I I just think I think that that he was such

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a he was a motivational speaker before it was a thing. I mean, let’s just

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put it that way. That’s I I think that’s why he’s in this book. And

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and I think I think leaders I think leaders

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can look at his quotes, hopefully, take them into

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context of the the the time frame that he’s talking about World War

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2, the most one one of the most horrific time frames of our of our

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history. And he’s just trying to keep the spirits

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up of people who are fighting for all of our freedoms. And I say all

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of ours because, you know, in the in the, in the words

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of, was it was it Jeff Daniels in in,

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the newsroom that that said, you know,

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America is not the the freest country on the planet. There’s 207

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sovereign countries, a 180 of which are free countries.

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They have elections. Like so I think all that started

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with World War 2. Think about it. World War 2 really was the the catapult

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that made all of the other countries in the world think, why can’t we have

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the same why can’t we be why can’t we have liberties as as citizens?

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And I think Churchill was instrumental in making everybody feel like every citizen

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mattered. So Yep. Yep.

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Rounding a corner here as we close. We gotta wrap up here

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today. Wanna thank Tom for coming on the podcast

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as usual and talking about, talking about his book,

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the interpretation of quotes for business success.

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So from the book, what can leaders take and apply for

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business success? Let’s let’s close with that. I think it goes

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back to something you said earlier, where you were walking down the hallway

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and you were seeing quotes from all these people, but the security guard had no

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idea, not only how to how to use them or

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01:21:29,100 –> 01:21:32,860
what to what to think of them or he he forgot they were even there.

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He walked by them so often that they weren’t even there. So I I think

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for for leaders, I think, number 1,

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I hope they can take a nugget or 2 out of it and help them

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succeed. I I hope that some of the things that I say in here will

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01:21:45,795 –> 01:21:49,635
resonate with them that they can actually, you know, they can

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01:21:49,635 –> 01:21:52,935
actually take some of these thoughts and and and just be better business people,

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hopefully. The second part is, I hope it gives them some

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forethought or or sorry. I hope it gives

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01:22:00,800 –> 01:22:04,480
them more, like, hesitation of just throwing one of

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those quotes up on a wall. Make sure the quote means something to you. Make

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sure that the people around you know what it means to you. Find

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people that that are gonna work with you because of the quote. Like,

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if if the if the quote is up on the wall, don’t just put random

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01:22:18,495 –> 01:22:22,255
quotes on your wall. Let’s start with that. Don’t just throw don’t don’t just

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throw random quotes up in a frame in a frame and and and just have

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01:22:25,890 –> 01:22:29,730
it there just because like, that is weird to me. I’m sure it’s

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01:22:29,730 –> 01:22:33,489
weird to you. Like, I mean, when you describe walking down that hallway, I

1336
01:22:33,489 –> 01:22:37,090
was having I was starting to have palpitations going, what the hell? Why would somebody

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01:22:37,090 –> 01:22:40,925
ever do that? But whatever. But but if you’re gonna walk into an

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office or you’re gonna have, my favorite too, Hasan, with,

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01:22:45,405 –> 01:22:49,184
I I’m sure you’ve seen them with these, these, virtual backgrounds.

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01:22:49,645 –> 01:22:53,244
Oh, yeah. People will put them in the virtual backgrounds and you go, oh, what’s

1341
01:22:53,244 –> 01:22:56,830
that quote? And they’re like, oh, it’s something I found on Pinterest. Like,

1342
01:22:56,970 –> 01:23:00,810
are you kidding? Like, what is so you’re just throwing it back there because

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01:23:00,810 –> 01:23:03,630
you you like you like the border? Or

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01:23:04,490 –> 01:23:07,690
Audrey Hepburn was my favorite actress, so I just put it up there because I

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01:23:07,690 –> 01:23:10,195
love her. Well, what does it say? Can you can you tell me what it

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01:23:10,195 –> 01:23:14,035
says without looking back there? It’s for those of you who are watching

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01:23:14,035 –> 01:23:17,575
the video on this, he’s on speaker. But, again,

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01:23:18,195 –> 01:23:21,255
I I I I know I’m going off on this tangent because

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here’s the here’s the thing. Here’s the most important thing that you can take away

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01:23:24,659 –> 01:23:28,039
from this podcast episode. Yes. Words matter.

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01:23:28,900 –> 01:23:32,440
The words words matter. The words that you use

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01:23:32,659 –> 01:23:36,435
to explain yourself, to express yourself, to under so that

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01:23:36,435 –> 01:23:40,114
people understand who you are, what you are, who your business is, what your business

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01:23:40,114 –> 01:23:43,875
does matters. Make them matter and make

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01:23:43,875 –> 01:23:46,995
them matter to not just you, but the people that are reading them. And if

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they ask you questions about it, have answers. Have the answers as to

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01:23:50,770 –> 01:23:53,890
why this quote matters to you. Because you know what? I just did a book

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01:23:53,890 –> 01:23:57,570
of a 140 of these, a 140 something of these quotes, and

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every single one of them mattered to me, which is why I wrote the excerpts.

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01:24:00,770 –> 01:24:03,830
Right? Like, why I wrote the the things. Because it

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it it’s not as simple as, oh, that’s a cool quote. I like

1362
01:24:08,184 –> 01:24:12,025
that quote. Bruce Lee was my favorite human being of all time. I’m just gonna

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01:24:12,025 –> 01:24:14,744
use one of his quotes. I it it shouldn’t be about that. It should be

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01:24:14,744 –> 01:24:18,369
something that resonates with you, that you can resonate with other people

1365
01:24:18,369 –> 01:24:21,809
over, that you can geek out over. I Hasan and I could talk about just

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01:24:21,809 –> 01:24:25,329
about any topic you want us to talk about. I’m guaranteeing you, we will find

1367
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some way, shape, or form to move that that conversation into movies. But,

1368
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anyway, that’s but but that’s because

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01:24:33,705 –> 01:24:37,145
we’ve understood movies have mattered to us as a

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culture, as a history, as a as a progression. We’ve

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watched not only that, we’ve seen things in movies start as

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science fiction and end up as a reality. Like Right. Some scientist watched

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01:24:48,370 –> 01:24:51,490
a movie as a kid and went, I think I can build that, and they

1374
01:24:51,490 –> 01:24:55,010
do it. So Yep. Like, movies are impactful to

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people. Words matter. The words that you use matter.

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And I I I think the reason

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this is even the most impactful. Again, I go back to that very first quote,

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and why I didn’t put it in this book is beyond me. I have no

1379
01:25:08,215 –> 01:25:11,515
idea why I didn’t do that. I think it was I think it was selfish.

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01:25:11,575 –> 01:25:14,535
I think it was selfishness. I think I just wanted that quote to be mine.

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And I didn’t wanna tell everybody else what I thought about.

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But and I didn’t wanna put it in print, so that I could never take

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01:25:21,750 –> 01:25:25,430
it back. Because you can never take it back? Yeah. Or I can never say,

1384
01:25:25,430 –> 01:25:28,489
you took that out of context. Anyway, but

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I I think I think because these words matter and and and

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01:25:33,215 –> 01:25:37,054
how you choose your words matter in every situation you can think

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01:25:37,054 –> 01:25:40,574
of. Your interaction with your children, your interaction with your spouse, your

1388
01:25:40,574 –> 01:25:44,175
interaction with your boss, your interaction with the IRS when they audit

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01:25:44,175 –> 01:25:47,730
you. Your words matter, and how you use them

1390
01:25:47,730 –> 01:25:51,329
matters. So what leaders what I what I hope

1391
01:25:51,329 –> 01:25:54,369
leaders get out of this book is don’t just take a random quote, put it

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01:25:54,369 –> 01:25:58,050
on the wall, and hope people get it. Make sure there’s some meaning and some

1393
01:25:58,050 –> 01:26:01,824
purpose behind what you’re actually asking people to think about and do and

1394
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and use. And if they have a different interpretation than you do, that’s not

1395
01:26:05,264 –> 01:26:08,804
necessarily a bad thing either. You can still you can still leverage

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the successes of both of those interpretations to your advantage.

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Words matter. And the words of Tom

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Libby will be the words that we

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the final thoughts that we have, on this podcast episode

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today. We will have the links to where you can pick up the

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interpretation of quotes for business success. It is available on Kindle.

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You can also get a physical, paperback version

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01:26:37,164 –> 01:26:40,784
from Amazon. Tom, we’ll have those links,

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in the show notes below the player for this podcast

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episode. So I encourage you to go out and pick up those pick up that

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01:26:48,310 –> 01:26:52,090
copy. Go ahead, Tom. If I could add one more question.

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I I I would absolutely love to hear what you guys think. I’d love to

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hear if you read some of my words on it. Your thoughts

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on even my words. If you guys I I would love to hear what people

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think about it. So if you do have the forethought to to look at it,

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to read it, to pick up the Kindle, I would I would

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absolutely welcome your version of the interpretation. And post

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those reviews, on Amazon.com. Just search for Tom

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Libby or Thomas Libby. I don’t know which No. It’s Tom. It’s Tom. It’s Tom?

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Okay. Cool. Tom Libby. So we’re putting it underneath there. So, go

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ahead and search for that. Look for the interpretation of quotes for

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business success and leave a review on Amazon.

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Once again, I’d like to thank Tom Libby for coming on our show today.

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And with that, well, we’re out.