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The Odyssey by Homer translation by T.E. Shaw (Lawrence of Arabia) w/Jesan Sorrells

The Odyssey by Homer, translation by T.E. Shaw (Lawrence of Arabia) w/Jesan Sorrells

Examining Homer’s epic, The Odyssey, this episode dives into timeless leadership lessons for modern managers and entrepreneurs. The conversation focused on the decline from heroic responsibility to entitlement in Western culture, the enduring value of facing challenges head-on, and the need for leaders to reclaim meaning by embracing tradition and personal accountability. Insights from translator T.E. Lawrence’s life and work sharpen the discussion on navigating today’s cultural shifts with courage and clarity.

  • Book Title: The Odyssey
  • Author: Homer (T.E. Lawrence translation)
  • Guest Names: Jesan Sorrells (Host)


Time Stamped Overview

00:00 Critique of modern society’s values

07:01 Public institutions and heroism decline

15:33 Odysseus receives gifts and journey

22:31 Understanding the author’s limitations

24:43 Lawrence of Arabia’s wartime role

31:21 Odysseus arrives at the Cyclops’ island

40:29 Blinding the Cyclops

42:19 Impact of Nietzschean philosophy

49:27 Odysseus doubts he’s home

57:33 Understanding the Odyssey’s broader impact

01:01:10 Lessons for leaders from The Odyssey

01:06:50 Conclusion and book promotion


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Foreign.

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Hello, my name is Jesan Sorrells and this is the Leadership lessons

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for the Great Books podcast. Episode number 30

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with our book today, which you’ll be able to see

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on the video The Odyssey

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the T.ELawrence or T. Shaw

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Trevor Translation of the Odyssey by

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Homer.

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From the Odyssey by Homer

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O divine posy goddess, daughter of Zeus,

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sustained for me this song of the various minded man, who,

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after he had plundered the innermost citadel of

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hallow Troy, was made to stray grievously

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about the coasts of men, the sport

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of their customs, good or bad, while his heart, through all

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the seafaring ached in an agony to redeem

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himself and bring his company

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safe home. Vain hope for

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them, for his fellows he strove in vain. Their own

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witlessness casts them away, the fools, to destroy for meat

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the oxen of the most exalted sun, wherefore the

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sun God blotted out the day of their return.

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Make the tale live for us in all its many bearings,

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O Muse. Book

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one by now the other warriors,

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those that had escaped headlong ruin by sea or in battle, were safely

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home. Only Odysseus, terried

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shut up by Lady Calypso, a nymph and very

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goddess. In her hewn out caves she craved

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for him, she craved him for her bedmate, while he was longing for his house

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and wife of a truth the rolling seasons had at last

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brought up the year marked by the gods for his return to Ithaca.

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But not even there among his loved things, would he escape further

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conflict. Yet had all the gods, with lapse of

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time, grown compassionate and towards

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Odysseus all but Poseidon, whose enmity

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flamed against him till he had reached his home.

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Poseidon, however, was for the moment far away among the Ethiopians, that

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last race of men, whose dispersion across the world’s end is

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so broad that some of them can see the sun God rise, while others,

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while others see him set

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thither, had Poseidon gone in the hope of burnt offerings, bulls and

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rams by hundreds, and there he sat feasting merrily,

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while the other gods came together in the halls of

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Olympian Zeus. To them the father

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of gods and men began speech, for his breast teemed

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with though of great Agitheus,

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whom famous Orestes, the son of Agamemnon had slain.

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It vexes me to see how mean are these creatures of a day towards us

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gods, when they charge against us the evils far beyond our

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worst dooming, which their own exceeding wantonness has heaped upon

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themselves. Just so did Aegisthus

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exceed when he took to his bed the lawful wife of Atreides and killed her

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returning husband. He knew the sheer ruin this would entail.

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Did we not warn him by the mouth of our trusty Hermes, the keen

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eyed slayer of Argus, neither to murder the man nor lust after

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the woman’s body? For therefore the death of the son of Atreus

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will be required by Orestes even as he grows up in

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dreams of his native place. These were

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Hermes very words. But not even such a friendly interposition

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could restrain Aegisthus, who now pays the

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final penancee.

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The psychological odyssey in Western

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Thought from heroic as we just read there in the

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opening from book one of the Odyssey by

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Homer, the journey from heroic to

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not so heroic in western culture and thought

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has been a long one. We

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began back in the 7th, or maybe it was the 8th century before the God

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man Christ showed up by worshiping and appeasing men as gods

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who insisted on meddling in human affairs, as

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was mentioned in book one here, for their own amusement and

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entertainment.

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2500 or well over 2500 years later,

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in the 21st century, long after the God man Christ

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has left this world, we in the west

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have wound up back with the men as gods. Except our scientific

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inquiry and our relentless ruthless scientism has taken

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us places that even the ancient Greeks, even Homer himself, would

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fear to tread. Along the way,

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Western man has stripped, mined away the COVID of first

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the natural world and then the meaning, the deep meaning

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of the transcendental world, to reveal that

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beneath all that stripping away, beneath all that strip mining, beneath all

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that ruthless, relentless scientific rational pursuit,

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only the baser appetites of

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humanity actually remain.

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And if you don’t believe me, or if you’re confused by anything I’m saying here,

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all you have to do is go on social media, just go download TikTok

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or go watch Fox or MSNBC

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or you know, just go talk to your neighbor

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and check out what’s happening there between, well, all

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the genders.

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I observe without any sense of irony whatsoever, that western

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humanity has also collectively erected barriers, and this

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is important for leaders to understand, between the personal and the

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professional, and has assumed wrongly of course, that

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once the barrier between the sacred and profane was shattered, that somehow,

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magically the barriers between the personal and professional or would

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remain irrevocably intact.

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Of course they did not. And now at the apotheosis of

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western man, we have children who have amassed audiences

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of faceless space appetite driven adults. We have

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confused and manipulative adults who are either unaware

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of the state of the world and the game they are in, or they

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are too dopamine driven to do anything other than follow

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along with the masses. And we have public

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institutions that have abandoned the pursuit of trust,

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reverting instead to the pursuing of the amassing of raw

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power and control over the masses

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for their own sakes. Of course.

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Tragically, it turns out that while we may be a long way from Carl Jung

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and Joseph Campbell, we are even farther removed

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from Homer and the Homeric

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ideal. This

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is troubling because in epic tales of the past heroes

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or immature, naive and blind people, of which

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Telemachus was one in the Odyssey, and of course

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Menelaus, these folks went on

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journeys just like Odysseus, to slay dragons, to

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drive spikes in the eyes of monsters, or to defeat all manner of

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God driven weather phenomenon.

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They went on those journeys to prove themselves

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and to prove to the audiences observing

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them and to their ancestors as well, that

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they had what it took. They had the right stuff, right. That they could

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do hard tasks, they could take on large responsibilities and

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shoulder the massive weight that society,

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culture, history, and ultimately tradition places

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on all of us.

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What’s troubling is that in the 21st century, with all of our comfort,

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conformity, complacency and confusion,

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individuals need to be called back to the journey

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toward an epic struggle, at least

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of some kind or another.

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But these heroic acts that men and women

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need to be called to engage in, in our more abundant age,

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these heroic acts of defeating the gods and confronting the monsters

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can’t all be psychological. It can’t all

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be psychological heroism. That’s

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just not good enough. Human

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beings have always needed physical proof of the mere

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transcendent. They’ve always needed to be

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shown, as folks from Missouri will attest

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to. If you don’t believe me, just think

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back to that other ancient book, the Bible. In

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particularly the New Testament, where the disciples stared

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up in slack jawed amazement as the God

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man Christ ascended to the right hand

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of God the Father, who bodily,

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or so it is written,

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the esoteric, the small and the mean, the

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unmentionable, the untruthful, and the outright manipulative,

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the base, the hollow and the

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terribly, terribly cowardly.

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No calls to action that are

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around any of these areas will

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ever get Western people excited for

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more than just a few seconds, animated enough

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to merely swipe left or put in another order for

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soda on doordash. So

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here, now, 22 years

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into the 21st century, we now

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are beginning to realize that Western man needs an appeal to

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the heroic to fix what’s broken and

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to journey out on the road of life, to face down

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the God, men, tyrants all before

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they affix themselves permanently and

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irrevocably to the edifice of Western

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freedom.

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Today on the podcast we are going to talk about the

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Odyssey, but we’re also going to talk about

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the babbling monster in the sub basement of Western

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thought that brought us all of this.

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We’re also going to talk about T.E. lawrence and

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his epic life as Lawrence of

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Arabia. Actually, that’d be T.E. shaw as Lawrence of Arabia.

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And I’m going to make an appeal. I’m going to

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make an assertion. I’m going to throw down a

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challenge. I’m going to ask a question.

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Actually, I’m going to ask you one of three questions here today

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as leaders listening to this podcast. So if you thought you were coming

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here just to hear about Homer today, well, you’re going to hear a little

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bit about Homer, but you’re going to hear a lot more about these three questions.

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And the first one is this whole will carry

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the logs. Who will

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answer the call, and who among

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us will take up the challenge

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and go on the road?

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Sam.

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Back to the Odyssey by Homer. We’re going to

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read from book five in the

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T.E. shaw translation of the Odyssey

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by Homer. Dawn

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rose from her marriage bed beside high born Tithonus, to bring her daylight to

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both gods and men. The immortals, with Zeus the high thundering,

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their mightiest one, sat down in council, and to them Athene spoke

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thus, designing to remind them of the many misfortunes of

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Odysseus, whose long sojourn in the nymph’s house lay heavy on her heart.

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Father Zeus, and you happy ever living gods, henceforth let no

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sceptered king study to be kindly or gentle, or to ensue

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justice and equity. It profits more to be harsh and

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unseemly in act divine. Odysseus was a clement and

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fatherly king, but no one of the men his subjects

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remembers it of him for good, while fate has abandoned him to

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languish sorely in Lady Calypso’s island, kept there

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by her high hand a prisoner in her house.

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Nor has he power to regain the land of his

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father, seeing that he lacks galleys and followers to speed him over the broad

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back of ocean. Moreover, there is now a plot afoot to murder

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his darling son as he returns from sacred Pylos, or

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noble Lacedaemon. Whether he went and hoped to hear

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somewhat of his father Zeus, the

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cloud marshal answered her, and Said my child, too fierce are the judgments of your

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mouth. Besides, I think this last move was of your scheming for Odysseus to

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avenge himself on those men. When he comes, you have the knowledge, the power and

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the skill to convey Telemachus again to his own place

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wholly unscathed. See that it is so. And the suitors come back too, in

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their ship. As they went,

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he turned to Hermes, the son he loved, and said, hermes, hear your commission as

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our particular messenger. Inform this nymph of the love locks of my fixed

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decision that long suffering Odysseus shall return home as best he

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can without furtherance from gods or mortal

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men. Therefore he is to lash together a raft

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as firm as may be, on which, after 20 days of hazard and disaster he

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will make rich gleaved Syria, the Phaeton land. The

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Phoenicians, godlike in race and habit, will take him to their heart with all

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honor as divine, and send him forward to his native place

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in a ship laden with gifts of copper and gold and clothing of an abundance

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such as Odysseus would never have amassed for himself in the sack of Troy,

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even though he had come away intact and with the full share of booty

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assigned to him by lot.

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The decree is that so furnished. He shall once again behold his friends and

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enter his stately house in the country of his

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fathers.

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Such was the order in the messenger. The Argus slayer made no delay in his

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obedience. Instantly he laced to his feet the fair sandals of

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imperishable gold by which she made equal way, swift as a breath of

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wind over the ocean and over the waste places of the earth. He took the

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wand with which at will he could lure the eyes of men to slumber or

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wake them into activity. And with it in hand, the Argus slayer leaped out

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upon the air and flew straight strongly over Mount Puri as he dived down from

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the firmament to sea level, and then along the waves he sped like a

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cormorant which down the dread troughs of the wild sea chases its

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fish and drenches its close plumage in the salt spume. Just

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so did Hermes skim the recurring wave crests.

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Arriving at the island of Calypso,

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presenting himself to her, he delivers

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the message, and then

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Calypso

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responds

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by saying, as God is to God. You ask me. You order me

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to tell why I have come, hear the truth of it. Zeus commanded my

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journey. By no choice of my own did I fare to you across so unspeakable

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a waste of salt water. Who would willingly come where there is no

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near city of men to offer sacrifice to the gods and burn his tasty hundreds

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of oxen. Listen. In no way can

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another God add or subtract any tittle from the will of Zeus. The aegis

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bearer, he declares that you have with you the unhappiest

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man of men, less happy than all those who fought for nine years round

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the citadel of Priam, and in the 10th year sacked the city and went homeward.

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Yet during their return they sinned against Athene, and she worked up against them

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an evil wind and tall waves, by which this man’s entire splendid company

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were cast away. As for

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himself, the wind blew him, and the sea washed him to this

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spot. Wherefore now the Father commands that you send him hence with

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speed, for it is decreed that he is not to die far from his friends.

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On the contrary, he is to behold these friends again, and is to sit under

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his lofty roof in his own land.

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Calypso, as you can probably expect, didn’t take

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that well. Then with

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barbed words did she reply, Cruel are you, gods, and immoderately jealous

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of all others. Especially do you hate it when goddesses elect to lie openly with

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men, or fall in love and make a match of it with some mere mortal.

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Just in that same way, you gods are now envying me this man I live

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with. Yet it was I who saved him. As he clung astride his

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vessel’s keel, alone and adrift in the wine dark ocean,

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Zeus had launched a white thunderbolt at his ship and shattered her. And in her

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wreck were all the worthy henchmen lost. Only it chanced that

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he himself drifted to my shore before the wind and

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waves. And I have loved him and cared for him, and promised myself he should

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not die, nor grow old all his days.

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Yet very justly do you say that no lesser God can overpass or make obeying

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the purpose of Aegeus bearing Zeus. Accordingly, if the impulse and order are from him,

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I must let my man go hence across the sterile sea.

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Yet shall descending be in no wise mine here

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are neither or ships nor cruise to convey him over ocean’s broad back.

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Unreservedly, however, I furnish him my very best

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advice as how he may come safe to his

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native land.

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The translator of this version of the

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Odyssey was a gentleman

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named Colonel Thomas Edward Lawrence,

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also known as T.E. shaw, also known as T.E Lawrence,

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also known as Lawrence of Arabia. And

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his book. His. His book, Seven Pillars of

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Wisdom we will be reading on the podcast at some

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point here. But I want you to. I want to read directly now from

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the translator’s note

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that he wrote from the Odyssey.

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It’s on pages seven through nine. And

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we’re going to. We’re going to get his view

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of the Odyssey, his view of the epic journey of Odysseus

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from leaving Troy all the way back home

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to deal with the suitors plumbing or

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plummeting or plundering, depending upon your perspective. His

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house. The 28th English

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rendering of the Odyssey can hardly be a literary event,

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especially when it aims to be essentially a straightforward translation. By the way, these are

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the words directly of T.E. shaw. Wherever

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choice offered between a poor and a rich word, richness had it. To raise the

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color. I have transposed the order of metrical Greek,

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being unlike plain English. Not that my English is plain enough. Water

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Street Greek, like the Odysseys, defies honest rendering. Also,

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I have been free with moods and tenses, allowed myself to interchange adjective and

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adverb, and dodged our poverty of preposition limitations,

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of verb and pronominal vagueness by rearrangement.

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Still, syntax apart, this is a

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translation.

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Crafty, exquisite, homogenous. Whatever great art may be, these

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are not its attributes. In this tale,

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every big situation is burked and the writing is soft. The shattered

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Iliad yet makes a masterpiece, while the Odyssey, by its ease and interest

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remains the oldest book worth reading for its story and the first novel

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of Europe. Gay, fine and vivid, it is never huge

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or terrible book. 11.

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The underworld verges towards terrible dia, yet runs

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instead to the seat of pathos, that feeblest mode of writing.

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The author misses his every chance of greatness, as must all his

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faithful translators.

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The limitations of this work scope is apparently conscious. Epic belongs to

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early man, and this Homer lived too long after the heroic age to feel

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assured and large. He knows exact knowledge of what he could and could

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not do. Only through such superb self criticism can talent rank

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beside inspiration.

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In the four years of living with this novel, I’ve tried to deduce the author

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from his self betrayal. In the work I found a bookworm,

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no longer young, living from home, a mainlander city bred and domestic,

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married, but not exclusively a dog

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lover, often hungry and thirsty, dark haired, fond of poetry,

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a great if uncritical reader of the Iliad, with limited

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sensuous range, but an exact eyesight which gave

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him all his pictures. A lover of old bric, a brac, though

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as muddled an antiquary as Walter Scott, in

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sympathy with which side of him I have conceded tenter

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hooks, but not always railway trains.

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Few men can be sailors, soldiers and naturalists yet this Homer

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was neither landlubber nor stay at home, nor ninny. He wrote for audiences

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to whom adventures were daily life, and the sea their universal neighbor,

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so he dare not err. That famous doubled line where the Cyclops narrowly

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misses the ship with his stones only shows how much better a seaman he was

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than a copyist. Scolais have tried to riddle his technical

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knowledge, and of course he does make a hodgepodge of periods.

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It is the penalty of being pre archaeological. His

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pages are steeped in a queer nativity, and at our

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remove of thought and language we cannot guess if he is smiling or

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not. Yet there is dignity which compels respect

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and baffles us, he being neither simple in education

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nor primitive socially. His generation

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so rudely admired the Iliad that even to misquote it

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was a virtue. That

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is from the translator’s introduction of the

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Odyssey written by Colonel Thomas Edward

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Lawrence, and according to Wikipedia,

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Colonel T.E. lawrence was a British

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archaeologist, army officer, diplomat and writer who

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became renowned for his role in the Arab Revolt and the Sinai and

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Palestine campaign against the Ottoman Empire during the First World

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War. The breadth and variety of his activities and

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associations, and his ability to ascribe them vividly in writing, earned him

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international fame as Lawrence of Arabia, a title used

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for the 1962 film based on his wartime

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activities. He was born out of

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wedlock in August 1888 to Sarah Junior a

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governess, and Sir Thomas Chapman, 7th Baronet, an

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Anglo Irish nobleman. Soon after the

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outbreak of war in 1914, he volunteered for the British

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army, and this was after he had worked as an archaeologist for the

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British Museum from 1910 to 1914 and then

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briefly. Before that he had studied at Oxford

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at the Jesus College from 1907 to 1910,

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when he volunteered for the British army and was

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stationed at the Arab Bureau intelligence unit in

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Egypt. He traveled to Mesopotamia and to Arabia on

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intelligence missions and became involved with the Arab revolt as a liaison

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to the Arab forces along with other British officers supporting the Arab

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kingdom of Hejaz’s independence war against its former overlord,

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the Ottoman Empire. He worked closely with

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Emir Faisal, a leader of the revolt, and he participated

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sometimes as a leader in military actions against the Ottoman armed forces,

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culminating in the capture of Damascus in October of

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1918. After the

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first World War, Lawrence joined the British Foreign Office, which basically

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means he continued being a spy, working with the British government and

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with Feisal. In 1922 he retreated from public life and spent the years

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until 1935 serving as an enlisted man, mostly in the Royal Air

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Force with a brief period in the Army. During this time, he

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published his best known work, Seven Pillars of An

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autobiographical account of his participation in the Arab revolt.

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He also translated books into English and wrote the Mint, which

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detailed his time in the Royal Air Force working as an ordinary aircraftman.

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Lawrence’s public image resulted in part from the sensationalized reporting of the

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Arab revolt by American journalist Lowell Thomas, as well as from

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Seven Pillars of Wisdom. Tragically,

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on May 19, 1935, Lawrence

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died at the age of 46, six days

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after being injured in a motorcycle accident

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in

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Dorsey.

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Back to the book, Back to the

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Odyssey by Homer. We’re going to move around

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a little bit, actually. We’re going to move around extensively today

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and we’re going to read directly from this

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idea. Well, not directly from, but we’re going to read about

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this idea that’s in the Odyssey, that’s embedded

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within the Odyssey, this idea of sight, this

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idea of seeing the truth.

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Right. Because if you can

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see the truth, whether that’s the truth of reality or the truth

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of responsibility, well, then you can effectively deal with

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it. Or as in the case of Odysseus, you can maybe

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potentially blind it. So we’re gonna go to book nine.

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We’re gonna read Odysseus’s

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rendition a little bit here and there

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of his battle with the

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arrogant, iniquitous Cyclops.

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We left in low spirits. This is Odysseus speaking. We left in low

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spirits and later came to the land of the arrogant, iniquitous Cyclops, who so leave

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all things to the gods that they neither plant nor till yet does plenty

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spring up, unsown and unplowed of corn and barley, and even vines with

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heavy clusters which the reigns of Zeus fatten

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for them. They have no government, nor

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councils, nor courts of justice, but living caves on mountaintops, each

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ruling his wives and children and a law unto himself.

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Regardless. Across the blight of

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Cyclops’s country extends a fertile island, a wooded island not very

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far, yet not close. And in it their harbor,

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uncounted wild goats. No trace of men

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scares these, nor do hunters with dogs track them out,

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fighting their way through the bush to explore the summits of the hills. The

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herbage is not grazed down by flocks of sheep, nor broken by any plow.

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Rather, the spot continues in solitude wholly uncultivated, a paradise

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for the bleeding she goats. By reason that the Cyclops seas have

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no ruddle cheeked ships nor shipwrights to make them

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such seaworthy vessels for pleasuring among the cities of mankind, like those ordinary

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men who tempt the seas to know others and to be known.

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Otherwise they might have made this island theirs, it being not at all bad land.

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Anything would grow well there in season in the soft moist meadows behind the

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dykes of the silvery sea, and its vine stalks would bear forever

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the crop to be harvested at the due time for such smooth plough

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loam would be heavy, seeing that the undersoil is fat.

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Its haven is a natural port, requiring no such gear as anchors or

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warps. Ships can be beached directly to lie there in peace, while the

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sailors screw up their hearts to venture farther, or until the winds

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blow kind. At the head of this inlet is

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pure running water from a spring rising in a cave, black

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poplars shadow.

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It’s

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Odysseus lands and gets off the ship

460
00:32:26,850 –> 00:32:29,650
and then sees

461
00:32:31,970 –> 00:32:35,250
the food and the owner

462
00:32:35,250 –> 00:32:38,730
absent in the cave, the

463
00:32:38,730 –> 00:32:42,370
flocks of lambs and kids, the milk of the

464
00:32:42,370 –> 00:32:43,170
she goats.

465
00:32:48,300 –> 00:32:50,460
And then. Well,

466
00:32:54,300 –> 00:32:57,620
so far he had been wholly engaged with his work, but now he rebuilt the

467
00:32:57,620 –> 00:33:01,100
fire and looked around and saw us. Why,

468
00:33:01,100 –> 00:33:04,820
strangers, said he, who are you and

469
00:33:04,820 –> 00:33:08,300
where have you come from? Across the water. Are you traitors or

470
00:33:08,300 –> 00:33:12,140
pirates, those venturers who see prowl at hazard, robbing all comers

471
00:33:12,140 –> 00:33:15,860
for a livelihood? So? He asked, and our confidence cracked

472
00:33:15,860 –> 00:33:18,860
at the giant’s dread booming voice and his

473
00:33:18,860 –> 00:33:22,580
hugeness. Yet I made shift to

474
00:33:22,580 –> 00:33:26,180
speak out firmly, saying, we are waifs of the Achaeans from

475
00:33:26,180 –> 00:33:29,900
Troy, intended homeward, but driven off

476
00:33:30,380 –> 00:33:34,100
our course haphazardly across the boundless ocean gulfs

477
00:33:34,100 –> 00:33:37,740
by adverse winds from heaven. It may be the

478
00:33:37,740 –> 00:33:41,490
will and decree of Zeus, it may be by the will and decree of

479
00:33:41,490 –> 00:33:44,930
Zeus we can vaunt ourselves, companions of Atreides,

480
00:33:44,930 –> 00:33:48,690
Agamemnon’s men, who is now the widest fame under heaven for

481
00:33:48,690 –> 00:33:52,290
having sacked earth’s greatest city and brought such multitudes to

482
00:33:52,290 –> 00:33:55,930
death here. Therefore we find ourselves suppliant at your knees

483
00:33:56,330 –> 00:34:00,010
in hope of the guesting fee or other rich gift, such

484
00:34:00,010 –> 00:34:03,610
as is the meat of strangers. Have regard for the gods. Magnificent.

485
00:34:04,010 –> 00:34:07,420
We are your suppliants and. And Zeus, who fares with deserving

486
00:34:07,420 –> 00:34:11,220
strangers along their road, is the champion of suppliants, their protector

487
00:34:11,220 –> 00:34:12,500
and patron God.

488
00:34:14,740 –> 00:34:18,020
Thus far I got but the reply came from his pitiless heart.

489
00:34:18,740 –> 00:34:22,460
Sir, stranger, you are either simple or very outlandish, if you

490
00:34:22,460 –> 00:34:25,660
bid me. Fear the gods and avoid crossing them. We the

491
00:34:25,660 –> 00:34:29,380
Cyclops. We are the Cyclops.

492
00:34:29,700 –> 00:34:33,340
And being so much bigger, we listen not at all to the Aegeus bearing

493
00:34:33,340 –> 00:34:37,080
Zeus, or any blessed God. So if I

494
00:34:37,080 –> 00:34:40,240
should spare your life and your friends, it would not be to shun the wrath

495
00:34:40,240 –> 00:34:44,000
of Zeus, but because my heart counselled me. Mercy. Now tell me where you moored

496
00:34:44,000 –> 00:34:47,440
the stout ship you came on. The far shore. Was it or the near? I

497
00:34:47,440 –> 00:34:51,000
want to know. With these words he laid a

498
00:34:51,000 –> 00:34:54,560
crafty snare for me, but to my subtlety, all his deceits

499
00:34:54,640 –> 00:34:58,400
were plain. So I spoke back, meeting fraud with

500
00:34:58,400 –> 00:35:02,240
fraud. My ship was broken by Poseidon, the earth shaker,

501
00:35:02,240 –> 00:35:05,400
who swept her towards the cape at the very end of your land and cast

502
00:35:05,400 –> 00:35:09,180
her against the reefs. The drifted us in from the high sea. Only myself

503
00:35:09,180 –> 00:35:11,660
with these few escaped. So I said

504
00:35:13,500 –> 00:35:17,260
his savagery disdained me. One word in reply. He leapt to his feet,

505
00:35:17,260 –> 00:35:20,860
lunged with his hands among my fellows, snatched up two of them like whelps

506
00:35:20,860 –> 00:35:24,540
and wrapped their heads against the ground. The brains burst out from their

507
00:35:24,540 –> 00:35:28,100
skulls and were spattered over the cave’s floor while he broke them up

508
00:35:28,100 –> 00:35:31,420
limb from limb and sucked off them to the last shred, eating

509
00:35:31,420 –> 00:35:35,140
ravenously, like a mountain lion. Everything, bowels and flesh

510
00:35:35,140 –> 00:35:38,980
and bones, even to the marrow in the bones. We

511
00:35:38,980 –> 00:35:42,500
wept and raised our hands to Zeus in horror at this

512
00:35:42,500 –> 00:35:45,540
crime committed before our eyes. Yet there was nothing,

513
00:35:45,940 –> 00:35:49,500
nothing we could do. Wherefore the Cyclops,

514
00:35:49,500 –> 00:35:53,300
unhindered, filled his great gut with the human

515
00:35:53,380 –> 00:35:57,100
flesh and washed it down with raw

516
00:35:57,100 –> 00:36:00,940
milk. Afterwards he stretched

517
00:36:00,940 –> 00:36:04,740
himself out across the cavern among the flocks and

518
00:36:05,380 –> 00:36:06,020
slept.

519
00:36:11,380 –> 00:36:15,140
This obviously cannot stand. And so

520
00:36:15,860 –> 00:36:16,820
Odysseus,

521
00:36:19,060 –> 00:36:20,900
desiring to fix this problem,

522
00:36:22,900 –> 00:36:25,300
begins to think,

523
00:36:26,590 –> 00:36:30,190
begins to beg the gods for an opportunity to fix

524
00:36:30,190 –> 00:36:33,150
this wrong, to correct this heinous

525
00:36:34,990 –> 00:36:37,950
act of, well,

526
00:36:38,670 –> 00:36:41,950
murder. But even more so than murder,

527
00:36:43,230 –> 00:36:46,910
this heinous act of ignorance of good taste

528
00:36:46,910 –> 00:36:50,430
and, of course, ignorance of hospitality

529
00:36:51,480 –> 00:36:54,200
to guests and to strangers.

530
00:36:56,200 –> 00:36:59,880
Of what came to me this seemed best. There lay in the

531
00:36:59,880 –> 00:37:03,720
sheep pens a great cudgel belonging to Cyclops, or rather a limb of

532
00:37:03,720 –> 00:37:06,640
green olive wood, from which he meant to make himself a staff. When it had

533
00:37:06,640 –> 00:37:10,480
seasoned in our estimation, we liken it to the mast of

534
00:37:10,480 –> 00:37:13,960
a 20 oared black ship, some broad beam merchantman of the high seas. It looks

535
00:37:13,960 –> 00:37:17,320
so long and thick. I straddled it and cut off about a

536
00:37:17,320 –> 00:37:20,360
fathom’s length, which I took to my fellows, bidding them taper it down.

537
00:37:21,160 –> 00:37:24,040
They made it quite even, while I lent a hand to sharpen its tip.

538
00:37:24,840 –> 00:37:27,680
Then I took it and revolved it in the blazing flame till the point was

539
00:37:27,680 –> 00:37:31,360
charred to hardness. Thereafter we hid it under the sheep droppings, which

540
00:37:31,360 –> 00:37:35,200
were largely heaped up throughout the cave. Lastly, I made the others draw lots to

541
00:37:35,200 –> 00:37:38,600
see who would have the desperate task of helping me lift up our spike

542
00:37:38,840 –> 00:37:42,480
and grind it into his eye. When heavy sleep had

543
00:37:42,480 –> 00:37:46,240
downed him, the luck of the draw gave me just the four men I would

544
00:37:46,240 –> 00:37:49,990
have chosen. With my eyes open, I appointed myself the

545
00:37:49,990 –> 00:37:51,030
fifth of the party.

546
00:37:54,870 –> 00:37:56,550
Cyclops leaves the cave,

547
00:37:59,430 –> 00:38:03,230
and then Cyclops comes back, and

548
00:38:03,230 –> 00:38:06,150
Odysseus puts his plan into action.

549
00:38:08,470 –> 00:38:12,270
Briskly he attacked his household work only after it to snatch

550
00:38:12,270 –> 00:38:15,800
up two more of us and dine off them. Then I went up to the

551
00:38:15,800 –> 00:38:19,360
giant with an ivy cup of my dark wine in hand and invited him, saying,

552
00:38:19,360 –> 00:38:23,200
cyclops, come now, on top of your meal of man’s flesh, try

553
00:38:23,200 –> 00:38:26,840
this wine to see how tasty a drink was hidden in our ship. I brought

554
00:38:26,840 –> 00:38:30,279
it for you, hoping you would have compassion on me and help me homeward. But

555
00:38:30,279 –> 00:38:33,120
your unwisdom is far beyond all comprehending,

556
00:38:34,400 –> 00:38:38,200
O sinful one. How dare you expect any other man from the

557
00:38:38,200 –> 00:38:41,400
great world to visit you after you have behaved towards us so

558
00:38:42,200 –> 00:38:45,880
unconscionably? I spoke, he

559
00:38:45,880 –> 00:38:49,440
took and drank. A savage gladness

560
00:38:49,440 –> 00:38:52,600
woke in him at the sweetness of the liquor, and he demanded a second cup,

561
00:38:53,240 –> 00:38:56,960
saying, give me another hearty helping, and then quickly

562
00:38:56,960 –> 00:39:00,240
tell me your name for me to confer on you a guest gift that will

563
00:39:00,240 –> 00:39:03,840
warm your heart. It is true, our rich soil grows good vines for a

564
00:39:03,840 –> 00:39:07,480
Cyclops, and the moisture of heaven multiplies your yield. But this vintage

565
00:39:07,790 –> 00:39:10,430
is a drop of the real nectar, ambrosia.

566
00:39:12,590 –> 00:39:15,950
Thus he declared all at once.

567
00:39:20,350 –> 00:39:24,150
And then at once I poured him a second cup of the glowing wine, and

568
00:39:24,150 –> 00:39:27,750
then one more, for in his folly he tossed off three bowls of it. The

569
00:39:27,750 –> 00:39:30,950
fumes were going in his cyclopean wits as I began to play with him in

570
00:39:30,950 –> 00:39:34,670
honeyed phrase. Cyclops, you asked me for my public name. I

571
00:39:34,670 –> 00:39:37,950
will confess it to you aloud. And do you then give me a guest gift,

572
00:39:37,950 –> 00:39:41,590
as you have promised? My name is no man,

573
00:39:42,550 –> 00:39:45,670
so they have always called me. My mother and father and

574
00:39:46,390 –> 00:39:47,350
all my friends.

575
00:39:52,550 –> 00:39:53,350
Cyclops

576
00:39:56,470 –> 00:40:00,230
says I will eat no man, finally, after all

577
00:40:00,230 –> 00:40:03,530
his friends. The others first. That shall be your

578
00:40:03,530 –> 00:40:07,370
benefit. He sprawled full length, belly up on the ground, lolling

579
00:40:07,370 –> 00:40:11,130
his fat neck aside in sleep that conquers all men conquered

580
00:40:11,130 –> 00:40:14,930
him heavily. He vomited out all his load of drink and gobbets

581
00:40:14,930 –> 00:40:18,050
of human flesh swimming in wine spurted gurgling from his throat.

582
00:40:18,930 –> 00:40:22,570
Forthwith I thrust our spike into the embers of the fire to get it burning

583
00:40:22,570 –> 00:40:25,690
hot, and cheered my fellows with brave words, lest any of them hang back through

584
00:40:25,690 –> 00:40:29,390
fear. Soon the stake of olive wood, despite its greenness, was almost trembling into flesh

585
00:40:29,540 –> 00:40:33,300
flame. With a terrible glowing incandescence I snatched it from the fire. My men,

586
00:40:33,300 –> 00:40:36,340
helping some power from on high, breathed into us

587
00:40:37,300 –> 00:40:41,060
all manner of mad courage, by whose strength they charged with a great spear

588
00:40:41,060 –> 00:40:44,580
and stabbed its sharp point right into his eye. I

589
00:40:44,580 –> 00:40:48,380
flung my weight upon it from above, so that it bored home as

590
00:40:48,380 –> 00:40:51,620
a shipbuilder’s bit drills its timbers steadily

591
00:40:51,620 –> 00:40:55,370
twirling by reason of the drag from the hide thong, which is mates underneath

592
00:40:55,680 –> 00:40:59,440
to and fro alternately. So we held the burning pointed

593
00:40:59,440 –> 00:41:03,080
stake in his eye and spun it till the boiling blood

594
00:41:03,080 –> 00:41:04,880
bubbled about its pillar of fire.

595
00:41:06,240 –> 00:41:09,880
Eyebrows with eyelids shrivelled and stank in the blast

596
00:41:09,880 –> 00:41:13,640
of his consuming eyeball. Yea, the very roots of the eye

597
00:41:13,640 –> 00:41:16,000
crackled into flame.

598
00:41:37,770 –> 00:41:41,450
The irony of blindness is

599
00:41:41,450 –> 00:41:45,170
not lost on me, and the

600
00:41:45,170 –> 00:41:48,750
irony of an unconscionable lack of hospitality to

601
00:41:48,750 –> 00:41:52,590
guests is also not lost on me, because,

602
00:41:52,670 –> 00:41:55,630
quite frankly, it has been a long, long

603
00:41:56,430 –> 00:41:57,550
20th century.

604
00:42:00,190 –> 00:42:03,670
Beginning in the 1840s, collectively, through a series of

605
00:42:03,670 –> 00:42:07,350
conscious and subconscious decisions and actions, we in the west

606
00:42:07,350 –> 00:42:10,510
have blindly and psychologically

607
00:42:10,910 –> 00:42:14,190
built and now fully inhabit the world we claimed

608
00:42:15,200 –> 00:42:16,320
we always wanted.

609
00:42:19,280 –> 00:42:23,040
Beginning with the much valuehooed death of God in

610
00:42:23,040 –> 00:42:26,480
the early 19th century and continuing through the rise of secular atheist

611
00:42:26,480 –> 00:42:29,920
humanism, society, culture, and modes of thinking

612
00:42:30,320 –> 00:42:34,080
about our place in the Western world and the transcendental world beyond

613
00:42:34,240 –> 00:42:38,080
have catalyzed into an acidic form of nihilistic,

614
00:42:38,080 –> 00:42:41,600
existential, blindly paralytical dread.

615
00:42:44,180 –> 00:42:47,540
And yet I have hope,

616
00:42:47,860 –> 00:42:51,540
because there are still some Odysseuses out there.

617
00:42:51,540 –> 00:42:54,940
And the Nietzschean ideal fully matured through the

618
00:42:54,940 –> 00:42:58,700
existential dread proposed by Sartre and Camus and fully matured

619
00:42:58,700 –> 00:43:02,500
by Jacques Derrida and the other deconstructionists, is finally

620
00:43:02,500 –> 00:43:05,820
shuffling, I believe, ignominiously, capriciously and

621
00:43:05,820 –> 00:43:08,420
ideologically to an end. In the West,

622
00:43:10,340 –> 00:43:14,100
I think we are beginning to recover our sight.

623
00:43:16,820 –> 00:43:20,220
But the tragedy is that the Nietzschean ideal did a lot of

624
00:43:20,220 –> 00:43:23,860
damage on the way to the forum of the

625
00:43:23,860 –> 00:43:27,700
now. Leaders can

626
00:43:27,700 –> 00:43:31,340
see this whether they have one eye, two eyes, or

627
00:43:31,340 –> 00:43:35,140
whether they are dead. Blind leaders can see

628
00:43:35,140 –> 00:43:38,840
this, and right now they’re dealing with entitlement.

629
00:43:39,080 –> 00:43:42,080
They’re dealing with a lack of grit and resilience, they’re dealing with a rise in

630
00:43:42,080 –> 00:43:45,680
narcissism, and they are dealing with an end of the ties of shared

631
00:43:45,680 –> 00:43:49,400
humility, shared community, and shared reality

632
00:43:49,400 –> 00:43:52,120
that used to bind Western culture together.

633
00:43:54,440 –> 00:43:57,880
Leaders right now are seeing the effects of such conditions in the form of

634
00:43:57,880 –> 00:44:01,520
resignations, lower quality work product and an overall

635
00:44:01,520 –> 00:44:05,260
decline in productivity and a desire more for the trappings

636
00:44:05,260 –> 00:44:08,860
of promotion than a willingness to adopt the responsibilities of

637
00:44:08,860 –> 00:44:09,820
promotion itself.

638
00:44:13,100 –> 00:44:16,780
To navigate our way forward and out, we must go back to the past.

639
00:44:16,780 –> 00:44:20,460
We must go into the cave, such as it were, and rescue the

640
00:44:20,460 –> 00:44:24,220
knowledge of the rightness of human authority, action and competence

641
00:44:24,540 –> 00:44:28,380
from our forgotten, blinded and abandoned

642
00:44:28,460 –> 00:44:31,830
father. We must restore

643
00:44:32,230 –> 00:44:35,990
our father’s sight. But we

644
00:44:36,070 –> 00:44:39,790
ourselves can’t perform this rescue mission without clear

645
00:44:39,790 –> 00:44:43,110
eyes, courageous hearts, and the ability

646
00:44:43,990 –> 00:44:47,550
to really speak candidly about what is

647
00:44:47,550 –> 00:44:50,950
true. So

648
00:44:51,190 –> 00:44:54,790
I’ll start. Here’s a piece of truth.

649
00:44:56,450 –> 00:45:00,090
Every ideal and every idea that the

650
00:45:00,090 –> 00:45:03,530
wily German lurking in the sub basement of Western social,

651
00:45:03,530 –> 00:45:06,690
cultural, intellectual thought, Friedrich Nietzsche

652
00:45:07,090 –> 00:45:09,810
ever had was an absolute

653
00:45:10,610 –> 00:45:12,770
cyclopean lie.

654
00:45:16,530 –> 00:45:20,330
But it was close enough, it hewed close enough

655
00:45:20,330 –> 00:45:24,000
anyway, to the perceived truth of some people’s mental

656
00:45:24,000 –> 00:45:27,360
models of reality. That in the maelstrom of moral

657
00:45:27,360 –> 00:45:30,800
destruction wrought by the ideas that were also

658
00:45:30,800 –> 00:45:34,400
swirling around at the time of Marx, Darwin and Freud,

659
00:45:34,800 –> 00:45:38,080
the lie went mostly unnoticed

660
00:45:38,800 –> 00:45:42,560
and became integrated into so many other lies that

661
00:45:42,560 –> 00:45:45,840
the tangled web became untangleable.

662
00:45:48,730 –> 00:45:52,250
That web has developed and turned into a cancerous

663
00:45:52,730 –> 00:45:55,850
manner, turned into a cancerous thing

664
00:45:56,330 –> 00:46:00,130
that lurks in the sub basement of Western thought that

665
00:46:00,130 –> 00:46:03,370
impacts everything we do, and that has

666
00:46:03,770 –> 00:46:07,610
made us ill and blind. But

667
00:46:08,090 –> 00:46:11,570
it’s time. And I believe we are the

668
00:46:11,570 –> 00:46:15,420
generation who will begin the

669
00:46:15,420 –> 00:46:18,340
long, sordid and messy process

670
00:46:19,540 –> 00:46:22,900
of cutting the cancer of the Nietzschean ideal

671
00:46:23,460 –> 00:46:26,500
out of the body of Western

672
00:46:26,980 –> 00:46:27,380
thought.

673
00:46:39,050 –> 00:46:49,290
Sam,

674
00:47:20,700 –> 00:47:24,340
Back to the Odyssey, back

675
00:47:24,340 –> 00:47:28,140
to the story of Odysseus. Book 13,

676
00:47:29,740 –> 00:47:33,440
where we’ll pick up here in book 13. And remember, we we

677
00:47:33,440 –> 00:47:37,280
never read the whole book on these podcasts. There’s no possible way

678
00:47:37,280 –> 00:47:40,760
to do it. These podcasts are built like book reviews

679
00:47:41,720 –> 00:47:45,480
or critical critiques, right? Built like

680
00:47:45,480 –> 00:47:49,320
folios. Folios? Folios. I can’t pronounce words today.

681
00:47:49,560 –> 00:47:53,160
Folios of the past. Right? Where you can

682
00:47:53,400 –> 00:47:56,520
we give you enough of a sample of the book, we provide you with enough

683
00:47:56,520 –> 00:47:59,000
of an idea of the book for you to go out and pick it up.

684
00:47:59,000 –> 00:48:02,260
And just like we covered the

685
00:48:02,260 –> 00:48:05,980
Iliad in episode number three of the Leadership Lessons from the

686
00:48:05,980 –> 00:48:09,340
Great Books podcast, this book has plenty to teach us

687
00:48:09,500 –> 00:48:13,060
now about all manner of things. Whether

688
00:48:13,060 –> 00:48:16,460
that means whether that is about epic journeys,

689
00:48:16,620 –> 00:48:20,220
whether that is about recovering from our own blindness or

690
00:48:20,620 –> 00:48:24,260
recovering from the blindness of our fathers. But it also

691
00:48:24,260 –> 00:48:28,100
has something to teach us about how to be

692
00:48:28,100 –> 00:48:31,860
subtle in exacting not

693
00:48:31,860 –> 00:48:35,260
necessarily revenge, but how to be subtle in

694
00:48:35,340 –> 00:48:38,620
thinking about your powers,

695
00:48:38,940 –> 00:48:42,300
your rights and your responsibilities.

696
00:48:43,900 –> 00:48:46,060
Back to The Odyssey. Book 13.

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00:48:47,100 –> 00:48:50,060
Odysseus speaking with

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00:48:50,300 –> 00:48:53,830
Athena fluently,

699
00:48:53,830 –> 00:48:57,590
Odysseus answered, your powers.

700
00:48:57,590 –> 00:49:01,230
You assume all forms, goddesses. Your

701
00:49:01,230 –> 00:49:05,070
powers let you assume all forms, goddess, and so hardly may

702
00:49:05,070 –> 00:49:08,470
the knowingest man identify you. Yet I well know of your

703
00:49:08,470 –> 00:49:12,230
partiality towards me from the day that we sons of the Achaeans went

704
00:49:12,230 –> 00:49:15,190
to war against Troy, until we plundered Priam’s towering city.

705
00:49:16,230 –> 00:49:20,025
But after we had embarked thence, and the might of the gods scattered the Achaeans,

706
00:49:20,025 –> 00:49:23,530
and since that day I have not set eyes on you, O daughter of

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00:49:23,530 –> 00:49:27,290
Zeus, nor been aware of you within my ship to deliver me from evil. So

708
00:49:27,290 –> 00:49:30,890
it became my lot to wander brokenheartedly, waiting for the gods to end my pain,

709
00:49:30,890 –> 00:49:34,410
until at long last you appeared in the Phaeacians rich capital and

710
00:49:34,410 –> 00:49:37,650
threatened and heartened me by your bold words to venture in.

711
00:49:38,610 –> 00:49:42,370
Accordingly I now conjure you for your father’s sake. Surely I am not

712
00:49:42,370 –> 00:49:46,130
in clear shining Ithaca. I think I have lighted on some foreign land,

713
00:49:46,130 –> 00:49:49,560
and you are telling me it is Ithaca only in mockery to cheat my soul.

714
00:49:50,360 –> 00:49:53,400
If in very deed this is my native land, assure me of it,

715
00:49:55,160 –> 00:49:58,920
said Athene or Athena. Your mind harps on that, and I

716
00:49:58,920 –> 00:50:02,440
cannot leave on tenter hooks one so civil, witty and shrewd.

717
00:50:02,760 –> 00:50:06,040
Any other returned wanderer would have dashed home to see his children and his wife.

718
00:50:07,000 –> 00:50:10,720
Only you chose to be skeptical and to reject the evidence, till you had further

719
00:50:10,720 –> 00:50:14,480
proved the wife who was who, as from the beginning, sits awaiting you in

720
00:50:14,480 –> 00:50:17,880
the house, miserable through the long nights and tearful all her days.

721
00:50:18,440 –> 00:50:21,560
I was never one of those who despaired for you, because I knew for certain

722
00:50:21,560 –> 00:50:25,400
you would return, though not till after losing all

723
00:50:25,400 –> 00:50:28,840
your party. Wherefore I refrain from open warfare with

724
00:50:28,840 –> 00:50:32,560
Poseidon, my uncle, who always wished you ill because of his rage at

725
00:50:32,560 –> 00:50:36,360
your blinding his dear son. By the way, that was the Cyclops.

726
00:50:37,240 –> 00:50:40,600
But now let me show you the substantial Ithaca to convince you.

727
00:50:41,970 –> 00:50:44,610
Then she takes him on a tour.

728
00:50:48,930 –> 00:50:52,650
The grey eyed goddess then exhorted him further. Be

729
00:50:52,650 –> 00:50:56,170
bold and dismiss these concerns from your mind, while we turn to laying up your

730
00:50:56,170 –> 00:50:59,050
goods in the hinder end of this cave of marvels, where they will be safe

731
00:50:59,050 –> 00:51:02,690
for you. Then must we ponder and advise ourselves the best

732
00:51:02,690 –> 00:51:06,530
course of action. Athene spoke and plunged into the gloom of the cavern

733
00:51:06,530 –> 00:51:10,310
to search it for hiding holes, while Odysseus carried in the Phoenician gold the

734
00:51:10,310 –> 00:51:14,150
tempered Bronze, the goodly raiment, after everything

735
00:51:14,150 –> 00:51:17,470
had been carefully laid by Pallas, sealed the passage with a rock.

736
00:51:18,750 –> 00:51:22,350
Then they sat together by the bowl of the sacred olive to plot the doom

737
00:51:22,350 –> 00:51:25,710
of the extravagant wooers. By the way,

738
00:51:26,510 –> 00:51:30,150
Odysseus house has been filled with suitors the entire time he’s been

739
00:51:30,150 –> 00:51:33,550
gone 20 years, consuming through

740
00:51:33,630 –> 00:51:37,240
his savings and plundering his

741
00:51:37,400 –> 00:51:40,760
goods, his son Telemachus went off to go find him,

742
00:51:41,320 –> 00:51:45,040
and was somewhat unsuccessful

743
00:51:45,040 –> 00:51:47,480
on his own hero’s journey.

744
00:51:50,440 –> 00:51:53,800
Athene opened. Thus, son of Laertes,

745
00:51:54,120 –> 00:51:57,320
next you must settle how to get these shameless suitors into your hands. For it

746
00:51:57,320 –> 00:52:00,160
is now three years that they have been lording it in your palace. Okay, three

747
00:52:00,160 –> 00:52:03,890
years, not 20 years. Sorry. Plaguing your glorious wife with their suits

748
00:52:04,610 –> 00:52:07,970
and proffering marriage settlements, while she, despite heart wrecking

749
00:52:07,970 –> 00:52:11,810
anxieties over your return, still keeps them all in play by giving each

750
00:52:11,810 –> 00:52:15,490
one hope and separate promises and privy messages. With

751
00:52:15,490 –> 00:52:17,810
her mind set constantly elsewhere,

752
00:52:20,530 –> 00:52:24,250
wily Odysseus replied. My hard fate on reaching home, goddess, would have been such

753
00:52:24,250 –> 00:52:27,960
another pitiful death as Agamemnon’s, but for your timely acquainting me with the

754
00:52:27,960 –> 00:52:31,720
true situation. Wherefore extend your bounty and disclose

755
00:52:31,720 –> 00:52:35,160
how I may avenge myself upon these suitors. Stand by me,

756
00:52:35,160 –> 00:52:38,960
mistress, fanning my valorous rage. My valorous rage, as on

757
00:52:38,960 –> 00:52:41,880
the day we despoil shining Troy of its pride of towers

758
00:52:42,600 –> 00:52:46,280
with Your countenance, August1, I would fight 300 men together

759
00:52:46,280 –> 00:52:49,240
only buoy me up with your judicious aid, O wise

760
00:52:49,240 –> 00:52:50,600
goddess.

761
00:52:56,290 –> 00:52:59,730
And then Athene or Athena

762
00:53:00,210 –> 00:53:03,890
tells him what she will do for him.

763
00:53:04,450 –> 00:53:08,249
Surely I shall be by your side always taking thought for you, so

764
00:53:08,249 –> 00:53:11,690
soon as we undertake this deed. As for these wooers of your wife and

765
00:53:11,690 –> 00:53:15,010
wasters of your substance, I feel that some are about to be spatter the great

766
00:53:15,010 –> 00:53:18,780
earth with their blood and brains. But now I must so work

767
00:53:18,780 –> 00:53:22,060
on you, that no human being will know you. By parching the fair flesh of

768
00:53:22,060 –> 00:53:24,540
your agile limbs and laying waste

769
00:53:26,140 –> 00:53:29,780
the yellow locks on your head, I shall even make dim your

770
00:53:29,780 –> 00:53:33,500
eyes, which are so lovely, and afterward clothe you in tatters to affront every eye.

771
00:53:33,900 –> 00:53:37,660
Then your guise will repel the united suitors, as also the wife

772
00:53:37,660 –> 00:53:41,380
and son you left in the house. You will begin by joining company with

773
00:53:41,380 –> 00:53:44,900
the swineherd who keeps your swine, a man of single heart towards yourself and

774
00:53:44,900 –> 00:53:47,390
devoted to your son and judicious Penelope.

775
00:53:50,580 –> 00:53:54,380
He said to the goddess, why did you not

776
00:53:54,380 –> 00:53:57,300
tell him so much? Out of your all knowing heart must he too painfully roam

777
00:53:57,300 –> 00:53:59,300
the barren seas, while others devour his living.

778
00:54:01,140 –> 00:54:04,580
This is speaking in reference to Telemachus, who was

779
00:54:04,820 –> 00:54:08,580
wandering the seas at the time. The gray eyed one replied, taken in

780
00:54:08,580 –> 00:54:11,940
not so much to heart, I was his guide. Even I who stirred him up

781
00:54:11,940 –> 00:54:15,460
to win favor by this activity. He suffers no hardship, but rests

782
00:54:15,460 –> 00:54:18,350
tranquilly in a treaty’s palace, lapped in abundance.

783
00:54:19,390 –> 00:54:23,190
Admitted the cadets of the suitors lie in ambush with their black ship hot to

784
00:54:23,190 –> 00:54:26,950
kill him before he can regain his fatherland. Yet I think this will not be.

785
00:54:26,950 –> 00:54:30,390
Instead the earth will cover certain suitors who devour your

786
00:54:30,390 –> 00:54:34,190
estate. Then Athene touched him with her rod, withering

787
00:54:34,190 –> 00:54:37,350
the firm flesh of his active limbs, robbing his head of its fair hair, and

788
00:54:37,350 –> 00:54:41,150
making the skin over all his body old like an aged man’s.

789
00:54:41,790 –> 00:54:45,550
She quenched the sparkle of his handsome eye and flung round him for covering foul

790
00:54:45,550 –> 00:54:48,750
and sorry rags, all crusted with a sooty reek.

791
00:54:49,390 –> 00:54:52,990
Over these she draped a great deer skin from which the hair was quite worn

792
00:54:52,990 –> 00:54:56,750
off. She gave him a stick and a shameful leather

793
00:54:56,750 –> 00:55:00,110
pouch of stiff cracked leather slung from a common cord.

794
00:55:00,830 –> 00:55:04,630
Then, having reached agreement upon their plans, they separated, her intentions

795
00:55:04,630 –> 00:55:08,430
being for Lacedaemon to summon home the son of

796
00:55:08,590 –> 00:55:09,550
Odysseus.

797
00:55:14,600 –> 00:55:18,040
That’s one way to take responsibility and to set a trap,

798
00:55:19,000 –> 00:55:22,360
to be patient and to continue on the road.

799
00:55:27,800 –> 00:55:31,480
Responsibilities. And this is what Odysseus is really doing

800
00:55:31,480 –> 00:55:35,120
here in this passage from the Odyssey. Responsibilities to

801
00:55:35,120 –> 00:55:38,230
tradition, to culture, to hierarchy, to the past, and even to the future.

802
00:55:40,070 –> 00:55:41,990
Responsibilities matter more than rights

803
00:55:44,070 –> 00:55:47,750
in the West. We have journeyed away from Homer, and of course

804
00:55:47,750 –> 00:55:51,350
we’ve gone towards the Nietzschean ideal of the pursuit of the overman.

805
00:55:52,710 –> 00:55:56,550
And as we have done this, as we’ve focused more about our rights,

806
00:55:56,710 –> 00:56:00,430
what we are owed, we have left behind an

807
00:56:00,430 –> 00:56:04,150
older, more robust attention that was once paid to

808
00:56:04,150 –> 00:56:07,950
responsibilities. Homer’s

809
00:56:07,950 –> 00:56:11,630
writing and T.E. shaw’s translation, among the

810
00:56:11,630 –> 00:56:15,310
undergrowth of many other translations over the

811
00:56:15,310 –> 00:56:18,710
last 2500 years or so, was focused on

812
00:56:18,790 –> 00:56:22,430
ensuring that our inspiration towards

813
00:56:22,430 –> 00:56:26,230
preserving tradition, our responsibility towards preserving

814
00:56:26,230 –> 00:56:29,950
tradition, was upheld and maintained, even if it was at the

815
00:56:29,950 –> 00:56:33,280
expense of the new, which

816
00:56:33,600 –> 00:56:37,360
in our less than heroic, existentially dread

817
00:56:37,360 –> 00:56:40,960
filled and narcissistic age, rings hollow to even our

818
00:56:41,040 –> 00:56:42,240
jaded ears.

819
00:56:44,560 –> 00:56:48,400
However, trading the truth of responsibility for the lie of

820
00:56:48,400 –> 00:56:52,160
rights has resulted in exactly the type of Western mental

821
00:56:52,160 –> 00:56:55,920
modeling of behavior where freedom is held up as the highest ideal.

822
00:56:56,400 –> 00:56:59,960
And like all ideals, freedom judges its worshippers.

823
00:57:01,160 –> 00:57:04,280
And of course, it always finds the worshippers,

824
00:57:05,400 –> 00:57:07,000
well, wanting

825
00:57:09,560 –> 00:57:12,360
it comes as no surprise that there’s never enough freedom,

826
00:57:13,799 –> 00:57:16,760
that there’s never enough sacrifice to freedom

827
00:57:17,400 –> 00:57:20,520
on the altar of individuality.

828
00:57:23,730 –> 00:57:27,370
This is not epic, and this is not what Western man was

829
00:57:27,370 –> 00:57:31,090
meant for. This is not the journey or the hierarchy

830
00:57:31,330 –> 00:57:34,970
we should be worshiping. And the Odyssey gives us a

831
00:57:34,970 –> 00:57:38,770
glimpse into something that can be higher, something that can be more

832
00:57:38,770 –> 00:57:42,570
robust, something that can be more fulfilling, and

833
00:57:42,570 –> 00:57:45,410
not in a James Joyce, Ulysses kind of way,

834
00:57:46,690 –> 00:57:48,450
more like in a broader

835
00:57:50,380 –> 00:57:53,260
world bending, world shaking kind of way.

836
00:57:54,700 –> 00:57:58,420
But we can only take up the task, take up the mode

837
00:57:58,420 –> 00:58:02,220
of this responsibility, if we actually

838
00:58:02,300 –> 00:58:05,660
recognize what it is and put down our appetite,

839
00:58:06,300 –> 00:58:09,940
our cyclopean appetite for

840
00:58:09,940 –> 00:58:13,780
our rights. But

841
00:58:13,780 –> 00:58:17,510
a wise letter writer, older than myself, writing to

842
00:58:17,990 –> 00:58:21,750
believers, worshiping a different hierarchy with a different ideal at the top of it,

843
00:58:21,990 –> 00:58:25,750
during times that seemed just as moribund, unserious, and

844
00:58:25,750 –> 00:58:29,510
chaotic as ours, wrote it better than I

845
00:58:29,830 –> 00:58:31,670
ever possibly could.

846
00:58:33,830 –> 00:58:37,470
And I quote, who

847
00:58:37,470 –> 00:58:41,190
changed the truth of God into a lie and

848
00:58:41,190 –> 00:58:44,840
worshiped and served the creature more than the

849
00:58:44,840 –> 00:58:47,760
Creator who is blessed forever.

850
00:58:49,440 –> 00:58:52,800
Amen. Romans

851
00:58:52,800 –> 00:58:55,120
1:25.

852
01:00:14,950 –> 01:00:18,470
So this may be a podcast episode

853
01:00:18,470 –> 01:00:20,950
that you may want to listen to a couple times, because it’s going to take

854
01:00:20,950 –> 01:00:23,190
a little bit for you to kind of understand what I’m doing here with the

855
01:00:23,190 –> 01:00:26,670
Odyssey. It may seem a little

856
01:00:26,670 –> 01:00:29,910
disjointed at first. Listening may seem like I’m jumping all over the place.

857
01:00:31,120 –> 01:00:34,800
But I’m making the foundation of a much larger

858
01:00:34,800 –> 01:00:38,400
argument that we are going to be exploring this month on the podcast.

859
01:00:39,200 –> 01:00:43,000
Our very next episode, we’re going to be looking at Heart of

860
01:00:43,000 –> 01:00:46,679
Darkness by Joseph Conrad. And then on the

861
01:00:46,679 –> 01:00:50,280
back end of that, we’ll be looking at Thus Spake Zarathustra.

862
01:00:50,280 –> 01:00:54,080
We’re actually going to go into the Cyclops cave, and we’re going

863
01:00:54,080 –> 01:00:57,460
to see. We can pull out of there with Friedrich Nietzsche. And

864
01:00:57,460 –> 01:01:01,020
finally, the end of this month, beginning of next month, we’ll be looking

865
01:01:01,020 –> 01:01:04,740
at fantasy and memory. We’re looking

866
01:01:04,740 –> 01:01:08,380
at Alice in Wonderland and what happens when you go through the looking glass,

867
01:01:08,380 –> 01:01:11,620
as so many of us have. Whether that looking glass is

868
01:01:11,700 –> 01:01:15,460
YouTube, Hulu, Netflix,

869
01:01:15,940 –> 01:01:19,740
Facebook, TikTok, or LinkedIn, we’re

870
01:01:19,740 –> 01:01:23,550
all through the other side of looking glass. And this is

871
01:01:23,550 –> 01:01:26,670
part of the place we need to walk out of,

872
01:01:27,230 –> 01:01:31,030
for there are caves and monsters on the other side of that

873
01:01:31,030 –> 01:01:34,870
looking glass. So the question I

874
01:01:34,870 –> 01:01:37,270
always ask at the end of these podcasts is how do we stay on the

875
01:01:37,270 –> 01:01:40,870
path? Right? How do we. How do we make

876
01:01:40,870 –> 01:01:44,630
sure that we’re actually getting something out of this experience, how do we as

877
01:01:44,630 –> 01:01:48,480
leaders integrate this knowledge from these great pieces of

878
01:01:48,480 –> 01:01:52,200
literature? And the Odyssey is a great piece of literature, been around for

879
01:01:52,200 –> 01:01:55,720
so long and developed an undergrowth of so many different translations.

880
01:01:56,120 –> 01:01:59,960
That just proves its greatness. What can leaders learn from

881
01:01:59,960 –> 01:02:03,560
Odysseus journey through the

882
01:02:03,560 –> 01:02:07,400
wilds of going home? What can he learn

883
01:02:07,400 –> 01:02:11,120
from the speeches of the gods, the laments of

884
01:02:11,120 –> 01:02:14,180
Calypso, all the way to the firmness of Athena,

885
01:02:15,530 –> 01:02:19,290
the recalcitrant nature of Poseidon, or

886
01:02:19,290 –> 01:02:22,810
the angry recalcitrant nature of Poseidon and the

887
01:02:22,810 –> 01:02:24,810
hands off leadership of Zeus?

888
01:02:26,570 –> 01:02:30,410
How can leaders take all of this and stay on the path in our

889
01:02:30,410 –> 01:02:33,730
modern times where we don’t believe in the gods and where the

890
01:02:33,730 –> 01:02:37,450
transcendent has been stripped away and needs

891
01:02:37,450 –> 01:02:38,330
to be restored?

892
01:02:41,140 –> 01:02:43,060
Maybe the first thing that leaders need to do

893
01:02:45,620 –> 01:02:48,820
is not confuse the results of the impact

894
01:02:49,540 –> 01:02:53,260
of the power of the triumph of the Nietzschean ideal with the

895
01:02:53,260 –> 01:02:56,500
process of the path we walked in the west to that ideal.

896
01:02:58,180 –> 01:03:01,940
Yes, that has had impact. Yes, that has had power. Yes. There’s a

897
01:03:01,940 –> 01:03:04,820
lot of complicated things going on in there and I’ve used a lot of complicated

898
01:03:04,820 –> 01:03:07,020
philosophical terms today. I’ve used

899
01:03:08,060 –> 01:03:11,900
existential and I’ve used deconstruct and I’ve used Nietzsche and I’ve repeated

900
01:03:11,900 –> 01:03:15,700
this over and over again, right? Because I want you to know that

901
01:03:15,700 –> 01:03:19,340
underneath banal ideals, underneath the

902
01:03:19,340 –> 01:03:22,860
clicks and the likes, underneath the hot

903
01:03:22,860 –> 01:03:24,860
takes and

904
01:03:26,940 –> 01:03:30,620
underneath the casual commentary lie deeper

905
01:03:30,620 –> 01:03:33,580
things that are influencing all of that. And leaders,

906
01:03:34,420 –> 01:03:38,180
leaders need to not confuse the results of the impact

907
01:03:38,180 –> 01:03:41,060
of the power of that with the path we’ve trodden.

908
01:03:42,420 –> 01:03:45,780
The path we’ve trodden to that ideal in the west can be

909
01:03:45,780 –> 01:03:49,620
retroden and leaders can lead us off of

910
01:03:49,620 –> 01:03:53,140
that path or, or if we would like, back onto it.

911
01:03:53,460 –> 01:03:57,140
Maybe backwards is better than going

912
01:03:57,380 –> 01:03:57,780
forward.

913
01:04:01,870 –> 01:04:05,630
The second thing that leaders need to take from the Odyssey

914
01:04:06,270 –> 01:04:09,710
is that the weight of responsibility is something that each

915
01:04:09,710 –> 01:04:13,270
individual needs to carry. And this is not just in a

916
01:04:13,270 –> 01:04:16,870
psychological sense, but sometimes also in a physical sense. And

917
01:04:16,870 –> 01:04:20,510
that when you allow your followers to

918
01:04:20,510 –> 01:04:24,190
fail and then put more weight

919
01:04:24,190 –> 01:04:27,160
on them, they will rise to the challenge.

920
01:04:28,280 –> 01:04:31,000
We talk a lot in our culture, particularly startup culture,

921
01:04:31,880 –> 01:04:35,480
about how we’re free to fail, right? We, we fail

922
01:04:35,560 –> 01:04:39,280
upwards, right? Or, or sometimes we

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talk about it. Well, actually failing upwards is usually used as a term of,

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of, of, of dismissal, right? Or as

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a term of a person who should have been allowed to fail and then be

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booted out of, be booted off the scene, right?

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We have it on the wall of Facebook, fail fast

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and break things, right? But most of us, most

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average leaders, most average people don’t live in that environment. We instead

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live in an environment where very often the risk

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associated with failure, the cost associated with failure

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is too high to bear. And so we do everything possible to eliminate

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failure. Failure. We do everything possible to eliminate mistakes. We

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do everything possible to eliminate even the possibility that

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we might screw up.

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That’s not responsible. That’s just avoidance. And at the

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end of the day, it is responsibility of leaders to make sure that their followers

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are not avoiding hard things, but

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that they are instead rising to the challenge of hard things. And that

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when failure does occur, that people realize, as

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Zig Ziglar said back in the day, that failure is not final.

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It ain’t over until the fat lady sings or

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the fat goddess or the fat whatever.

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The last thing we can take from the Odyssey, and I think this is the

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biggest thing, is that

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leaders need to fight for their followers

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to have the responsibility to experience an epic life.

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And they need to encourage and support their followers as they travel

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along the epic path of their own lives. Right?

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So that we as a society, individually and

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collectively, but it always starts with the individual first

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so that we may go into the pit and rescue our dead fathers and our

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moribund traditions and restore the power of

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epic, awe inspiring meaning

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to the West.

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Leaders, this is your calling. This is the road that

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you are out on. This is the answer to the question of who will

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carry the logs? Who will go out on the

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road? Who will take the journey?

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Who will,

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Who will go on the path and who will stay on it?

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And well,

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That’s it for me. Well, if you liked that video, you should check out more

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You can also get a copy of my third book, 12 Rules for

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Leaders, the foundation for Intentional Leadership, co written with

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Bradley Mankin. Check that out on Amazon, Barnes and Noble and

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everywhere where you get ebooks today. And thanks.