Leadership Lessons From The Great Books – The Federalist Papers & Modern Leadership w/ Dorollo Nixon, Jr.

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Hello. My name is Jesan Sorrells, and this is the Leadership

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Lessons from the Great Books podcast, episode number 1 15

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15 today with our

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book that is going to, explore and

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talk about, one of the foundational documents

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of the Declaration of Independence. We’re going to talk today about

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not only the Constitution, but we’re going to talk about the Constitution

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primarily through the lens of The Federalist

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Papers. Now the edition that I have today is the Signet

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classic edition, and the Federalist Papers were

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essays that were written in support of the development

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of the US Constitution in opposition to

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people who were opposed to the development of the US Constitution,

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written by Alexander Hamilton, James Madison,

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and John Jay. The

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Constitution, of course, of the United States of America opens

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with the titular or the magnificent not nearly as

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magnificent as the Declaration of Independence, of course, but the magnificent words,

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in order to form a more perfect union. And these are the

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words of men, leaders, all with their own foibles,

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passions, blind spots, and talents who sought to bring to

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bear their knowledge and wisdom to the toughest

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organizational challenge, and I mentioned this this last year on our podcast,

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that a leader can ever face. And that is the

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organizational challenge of birthing a new country.

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Now fundamental to the creation of any

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organization is the ability to disagree with the majority opinion,

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And as Dorollo has pointed out, our guest today

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on several other podcast episodes that we’ve done with him around the Federalist

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Papers, the ability to disagree with

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the majority opinion and to be allowed the freedom to retain life,

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limb, and property is fundamental to the

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sovereignty and to the preservation of a nation-state.

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However, this is not an obvious, you know, solution or

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an obvious conclusion for human beings to get to, and

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so we live in a world

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where the history that is currently even

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roiling around us is a history of people who when they

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disagree, their passions

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tend to overwhelm them and they begin to see disagreement as a sign

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of evil, or they begin

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to see the evil that they would

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seek to do when others reflected back on

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them And yet we still have this document, we

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still have the constitution, and, of course, we still have the documents

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supporting the development of the constitution even with all of our cultural

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machinations and technological innovations,

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that allow us to, well, that allow us to

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continue to move forward even in the midst of

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crises that are occurring in our present time.

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And so today, we’re going to talk about the supporting documents around the

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Constitution, and of course, we’re going to talk about the Constitution itself in the

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context not only of our own time but also in the context

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of the evergreen time that surrounds us.

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And, of course, we’re going to do this today with our recurring guest host

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during the month of July, Dorollo Nixon Junior. How are you

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doing, Dorollo? Doing alright,

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Jesan. How are you? Great. I am

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a little bit running ragged today.

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I will and the reason why I’m running ragged today is because we

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are in the midst of constitutional times.

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I don’t know if you heard, but just before we

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hit record on this podcast episode for today,

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July 23, 2024,

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the head of the United States Secret Service resigned.

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2 weeks after the attempted and

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failed assassination of the

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Republican presidential candidate, Donald

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John Trump.

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This, of course, comes 24 hours after the current

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sitting president, Joseph Robinette Biden,

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via tweet declined to continue

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his presidential election campaign, and the

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delegates for his party

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lined up behind his vice president, Pamela Harris.

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This is the context which we’re talking about the Federalist Papers today.

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Normally, like I said, we don’t really contextualize

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our conversations here around current events because, you

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know, the puck moves quite quickly, but we are living

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in constitutional times. This seems to be a moment in the republic

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where, to paraphrase from that old unreconstructed

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Leninist, well, Vladimir Lenin,

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decades happen in weeks. Right? And so

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do you have any thoughts on that? Any thoughts on the last sort of few

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days as a constitutional lawyer and

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as a constitutional scholar and as an observer of current

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events? How do we how do we contextualize all of this inside of the constitution?

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What exactly is going on here? Which, by the way, the 25th amendment has

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not been triggered. The Democratic

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Coalition seems to be very excited about the prospect

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of an intersectional female

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identifying individual being the head of their party who is

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30 years younger than me. Female identifying individual.

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Well, maybe about 30, 25 years younger than the

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current presidential candidate on the Republican side, and they seem to be very

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excited that she claims to be a prosecutor and is going to run him

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down like a felon. So, any thoughts on

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any of this? Well, you know, running down a

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felon is usually a felony, right?

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So then we would have 2 felons,

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Right? Well, so on but on the last point, we’d I think we’d have one

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felon because what I expect, I expect,

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his, at least the felonious part of his

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convictions to be thrown out, which of course would mean that

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all the convictions would be thrown out. The Manhattan DA,

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and of course, I’m, you know, licensed to practice law in New York. I don’t

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do criminal work. I do do, federal

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district court litigation. I do, I’ve had my first appeal in the

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2nd Circuit Court of Appeal, so that’s actually quite exciting. But, anyway, I do handle

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constitutional issues when they come up in the nature of my disability

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work. Anyway, I

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expect that former president Donald John Trump’s

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conviction with respect to the the accounting issues to

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be tossed. There’s an op ed

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that was in The Wall Street Journal, I wanna say, a day or 2 days

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after, his conviction that I think sets out,

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to me a quite credible theory about why they should be thrown out, and that’s

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just what I expect. I don’t expect it to to

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last. So it won’t be, you know, the vice

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president running against the felon. It’ll be the vice president running

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against the former president, to duke it out and determine

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who’s, you know, going to be the better candidate. It has certainly been,

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interesting times, and

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it’s it’s I find it fascinating. You know, I find it fascinating. And

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the bit that I find encouraging is, to me, it shows that our constitution works.

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Our constitution has the elasticity

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to handle these types of circumstances. In fact, the the framers had

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the vision to anticipate these types of things.

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And, you know, arguably, it’s one of the reasons that we have

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something like an electoral college, which no one seems to understand,

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but we have one. And, you know,

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the use of it to prevent faction and inflame

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passions from determining who is going to be the chief magistrate of the

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United States of America, the great United States of America, is

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something that may play out this year in ways that it hasn’t in other

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years. But we should be encouraged by that rather than discouraged, and

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certainly we should not give into fear.

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It was a democrat who said the only thing we have to fear

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is fear itself. So let’s quote,

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you know, that great president FDR on that one.

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Okay. So so okay. So

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let’s wind back a couple of different couple of different spots here because

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you will have people who will engage in apocalyptic catastrophic

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thinking, primarily on the right, but also on the

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left these days. And the biggest concern, of

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course, is that the Constitution is being stretched to

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its limit, right, that somehow the

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constitution is being stretched to breaking. Now we’ve discussed the

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Supreme Court decisions, that came down this year

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in particular, around hobbling the

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titular, and that’s the second time I’ve used that word, this podcast, and so I’m

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going to now step away from that word, 4th

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branch of government. The United States Secret

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Service does sit inside of that 4th branch, along with the DEA, the ATF,

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the EPA, the Department of Education, and many other

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agencies that are direct funded by the Congress,

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in a in a congressional way. Oh, no, sorry, not in a congressional way,

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through congressional appropriations, but are tasked

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with accomplishing certain tasks at a certain level of, and we’re going to talk a

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lot about this today, competency and yet there seems

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to be bureaucratic failures at every single level

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and there seems to be little accountability or falling on swords.

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The fact that this the woman who oversaw

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this the United States Secret Service,

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the first woman in its history, I believe, and a woman

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who oversaw the first assassination attempt on a presidential

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candidate in the last 40 years. Right? There hasn’t been a

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there hasn’t been an attempted one since Ronald Reagan, okay, in

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1982, who who infamously

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said in an interview literally 24 hours after the

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attempted assassination, the buck stops with me. And then when asked

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by the media or by the interviewer if she would quit,

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said, no, I’m not quitting. Now, 10 days later,

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falls on her sword. Average people look at

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that. They look at the Constitution and they go, what the? And they

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literally make that sound with with a bunch of exploiters behind it. Right? Because

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because in the world in which you and I live, the world outside of

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government bureaucracy, if I screwed up that badly

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to almost get my boss killed and the job is to protect my boss,

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I don’t even get to pack up my desk. It literally

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happens that quick. Right? How

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is it that you can say the

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Constitution is working? This is I’m going to make a common person push back on

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you. How can you say the Constitution is working when

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people who are in these branches of government aren’t even behaving

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constitutionally? From what I can see in my Twitter feed, my

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Instagram feed and my TikTok reels, which is where I get everything

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from in 30 to 60 second soundbites. How can you say that to

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me? How can you Because confident. Not

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just is the the government still functioning,

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but more importantly, in its functioning,

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another branch was able to hold accountable

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one of these executive heads, which you call, you know, the 4th department, or

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part of the 4th department. One of these executive agency heads

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was held to account. She was called on the

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carpet as it were and, made to

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answer or attempt to answer for her,

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for how her agency poorly performed in

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protecting, you know, the former president of the United States. And the

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only bit I remember seeing, of course, in sound bite,

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video bite, whatever it is, video clip. It wasn’t a meme. It was actually

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proper video footage, but was

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was, was what I’m gonna call the count. Right?

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The count of the shell casings and

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how she would not disclose what the number

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was. And I’ve just I found that baffling.

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I didn’t understand, you know, why it’s acceptable. I don’t

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understand how that’s not contemptuous. You may

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not wanna be in court or in quasi court,

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but I frankly don’t see how you get away with not answering, the

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questions. I mean, unless you wanna take the 5th amendment, you could do that.

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You’re allowed to do that. Mhmm. But, you know, dancing around in a

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circle and trying to point to the director of the FBI just doesn’t

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seem like an appropriate way to answer the question rather than saying I don’t know

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or what the actual number is or I’m

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gonna take the 5th amendment. I

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plead the 5th. Well, got it. Okay. Not expecting

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that, but that’s constitutional. Fine. Okay.

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No, it has ramifications, right? Sure. It would mean that somehow,

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some way your own criminality may be implicated. That may have been, you know,

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far worse. But it’s just, you know, just a number. And what

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is it? 50? 100? An

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average people look at that. No idea. Well, an average people look at that. They

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look at that bureaucratic answer and they go, the constitution

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isn’t protecting me from that because that’s arrogance.

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That’s overweening arrogance. She’s still going to get her pension at the

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end of the day. She should get nothing. She should be busted down to working

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it. Again, the average person goes, she should be busted down to be working as

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a cashier at Walmart.

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Like protect the produce aisle, Get

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competent. And this is, again, where competency comes back. Get good

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at doing that because you’re clearly not good at doing

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the other thing, which is and this is part of

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what getting good is. I don’t

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just need you to be good at being filling a slot

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for DEI, race, gender, sexual orientation.

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Fine. Be competent at that. Whatever. I’ll pass average

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people will pass along all of that. We will go past all of that if

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you’re just good at what we consider the core parts of the job are. And

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the core parts of the job are making sure that the Secret Service guys on

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the sloped roof take the shot. That’s the only

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thing you have to do. To to paraphrase from a joke, which I’m sure

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you’ve heard, you had one job to do to Rolo. One job, you

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couldn’t even do that.

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And that is the lament, again, of average people

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outside of government who have a high school understanding of the Constitution.

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Right? And I’m not knocking, by the way, that high school understanding because the Department

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of Education has, of course, failed to educate people on actually what’s in the

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Constitution because they’re a propaganda arm of government. Okay, fine.

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But even with that minuscule understanding, people

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still know they still smell that something’s not right.

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Something’s broken in the system. And

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that brokenness is what I believe common people, average

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people, the average citizens, and I don’t really like

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that term, but we’ll use that term, the average citizens of the United

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States of America, I believe are rebelling against

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right now in the form of

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the presidential candidate for the Republican

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Party right now.

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And so when when I say and I, by the way, I’m a I’m a

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person who I’m just making the alternative argument because I

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believe we should. That’s how you get a robust conversation going. But

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not because not because I believe it. Right? I believe our constitution is

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actually working as well. I just believe

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that we have people who are in parties who have chosen not

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to follow it, which gets me to my

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second area, which I would love to have you comment on in current events.

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Can you explain to the listeners, you are also a

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political animal, What exactly is happening

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with the party that Thomas

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Jefferson found? What what is happening?

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It’s going on over there because because

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no one’s seen Joe Biden And now almost what is it?

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4 days? We we had a week sort of voice imprint of him,

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but he’s got nothing on his presidential schedule for the rest of the week. Now,

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allegedly, he had COVID. Okay. Fine. Whatever. Yes. He is an 80

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year old man. Okay. Fine. Whatever. But you’re going to step us right.

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And he wasn’t going to step aside based on a previous, you

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know, horrible debate performance and a number of other different things. He was going to

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be obstinate and sort of sit in.

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And then he he he steps aside from the candidacy via

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tweet. What is going on in the party

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of Thomas Jefferson? Do you have any

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idea?

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Oh, I guess, technically, I had no idea. Right?

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Since I’m not a Democrat, that’s one reason. 2,

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I’m not a journalist who who pays attention

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to how they work and communicate. But I do look at them and

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certainly historically, you know, have examined

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the formation of that party and what drove them, you

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know, and what continues to drive them. And, of course,

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depending on where they get their information, there are Americans who

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may be surprised to learn that over the

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past 200

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and 31 years, I think,

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something like that, or almost 230 years. I

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think maybe 1795 ish,

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17 96. It’s around the time when the

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Democratic Party was founded by Thomas Jefferson,

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on principles, some of which remain

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principles of the Democratic Party and some of which are now the opposite of

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what that party once stood for. You know, a party that

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was skeptical of central power, that

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wanted to see an expanding agrarian base,

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wanted local control

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over and above federal control. Right? In a party that

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with one very important historical

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exception. A party that was open to people

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irrespective of background. A party that wanted to have

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the biggest tent in the room and to expand it to the horizon,

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unless you were black or indigenous. So, otherwise,

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you know and some of that you’ll hear, you know,

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carries through right till today. Okay? Certainly, a larger party party

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numerically and certainly a party that doesn’t seem to want to exclude

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people regardless of what flag they’re carrying or

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banner or label or what have you. Okay? But,

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the principles of decentralization, local control,

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and looking out for the small farmer type, and you can read

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there, the common man and the common

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woman. You know, the American, capital a, who

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lives throughout our country. So that means the coasts and the

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heartland. Okay? Who is found in every

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county in the country, and just trying to do life

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and and make money and pay taxes and have fun.

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That that originally was their party. And now we seem to see a

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highly aristocratic cabal

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seemingly organized by, among other people, you know, George

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Clooney and former president Obama, the

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Clintons, apparently plural. I don’t understand why I saw that in one news item.

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I assumed it was senator Clinton, but I what I read was the Clintons. Oh,

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okay. That’s interesting. Because I’ve only heard about one of them

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recently, not the other one.

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And, whoever the Pritzkers are and, you

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know, Congresswoman Pelosi, that apparently it’s

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their show that they run the way they wish,

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and now they have their candidate. And

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so if you just follow the sound bites over the past

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2 weeks, you can see just how the power,

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in my opinion, flows inside of that entity

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because you had, you you you literally you had

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elected officials. Okay? Even on the federal level,

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members of Congress, whomever saying, okay. He needs to step down. The

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president needs to not run for reelection for whatever

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particular reason. But, the turning point seemed to

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be, frankly, when, you know, someone from Hollywood,

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said and a particular person, George Clooney from Hollywood said, okay. This this

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shouldn’t happen. Like, we need somebody else. Okay. Great. And then the next bit I

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heard was, I think something about,

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congresswoman Pelosi, And it was you know, it wasn’t even

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equivocal, but

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it wasn’t saying outright, you know, support of

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of president Joseph Biden junior. Then was

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last Monday, I believe, Monday last week, the

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statement that I read literally read in a British publication where,

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apparently, president Obama was calling for serious

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consideration about the path forward or something like that. Something

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diplomatically put that you can take how you wish.

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And then in less than a week, Joseph r Biden junior

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is not standing for reelection. It’s quite fascinating.

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And then I saw at one point over the weekend, I think it was, I

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heard about Pritzker first, and then I heard about congresswoman Pelosi endorsing vice

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president Harris, Harris’ campaign. Excuse me. And then here she

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is. We’re ready for sound bites.

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And so that is the antithesis of

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how a party of the little guy would

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function. Okay? The input

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is way at the top. It’s a little oligarchy. Okay?

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And now they have their woman who’s running. Great.

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And everybody, I guess, needs to get in line and do his or

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her thing and which is to say

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support our candidate. And so it’s like, oh, okay. This is the message being communicated

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to the man or woman in the street. You know? And,

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obviously, there’s people who don’t care. Right. There’s people who like her as

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a candidate. There’s other people who just don’t care. They care about their

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issues and know that whomever that party puts in that seat

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is gonna make the decisions that they want. And I know on my side of

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the political divide, our side, that

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similarly, there are voters who don’t care who is there as

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long as there is dash r after their name. Right. Leaving

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that, therefore, they will get, you know, the type of

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decisions that they want. And,

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you know, and as I think I’ve said before, you know, to me,

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it’s very straightforward to see that, you know, 40% of voters voting

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on that day are gonna pull for one side only and always will, and another

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40% will the other side and always will. So the real

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rub, the real engagement, it’s for the 20% in the

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middle that you have to persuade them to show

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up and vote and vote for you. All 3.

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And to the extent to which you can do that, that’s how

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you win. That’s how you get the majority of the electors.

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And it plays out geographically as you know. You know? It

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took me a few moments, probably a day or so, to

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understand, in my opinion, to understand what,

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the former president may have been thinking choosing a senator from Ohio,

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okay, who’s also from the same region, which is inside the northeast. You have

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this whole country, but you choose someone else from the northeast. And, you

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know, I care less that he’s white male. I care less about It’s

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more he’s from the same region. Right. So the

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ability of that team to speak to people in Montana,

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Missouri, Nevada, you

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know, Washington state. That’s what

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was in my head. And then after about a day or so, I remembered, oh,

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yeah. Isn’t Ohio that bellwether where they always choose whoever ends up

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winning? And it’s like, oh, and he already wants to say it right there. Ding.

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Got it. So Right. That is a brilliant choice. It’s just it took me about

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a day to figure that out. So, you know, it’s it’s

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But but the calamari the calibrations for the minds of the

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people in the middle, that middle

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20%. You’ve gotta get people who can actually show up with a

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relatively open mind Mhmm.

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And have them show up and vote and vote for it. This is fun. You

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know? It’s one of the reasons I’ve done it. It’s it’s fun. You get to

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hear where people are at. You get to see what’s going on in people’s lives.

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I think that’s that’s wonderful. But,

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I think at the end of this week, the the

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news item should say, well, in the United States of America, we know that the

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US constitution is alive and well

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because this is

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happening. Okay. Couple of things on that, and

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then we’ll we’ll turn to the Federalist Papers here. Because I want to talk about

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Federalist Papers number 10 because there’s a couple of document there’s a couple of pieces

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in there that I want to bring out particularly. I believe it’s,

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it’s, Hamilton’s focus on the points that

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Montanesque makes, about liberty. I’ll

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bring those out.

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The founding fathers were not fans of party politics,

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almost to a man. Now,

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I get the feeling that Jefferson

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created the Democratic Republican Party 231 years

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ago, partially because he couldn’t figure out a

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way to channel those passions

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that you were referencing, channel that that

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energy into a into

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a usable tool, because he

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didn’t carry the kind of stick, the kind of sort of

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charismatic weight that a guy like George

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Washington carried. Right. And he wasn’t,

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a, he wasn’t an over weaning, maybe not overweening.

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He

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wasn’t a stiff necked individual, kind of like John Adams. Right?

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He wasn’t that guy. Right? You know, he saw the

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ability to, and I’m going to use a hard word here,

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to manipulate and to move the electorate in a particular direction

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utilizing parties. But he also understood that

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human nature has to have passions that need to go somewhere in the constitution.

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Wasn’t there going to be enough of a container to sort of put that in?

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Okay. Fast forward a few years,

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and it feels to everyone in America, right

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or left, who I talk to of the political spectrum, and even

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the folks who weren’t in that that center, that 20% the

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20% in the middle, actually, I think it’s more like 15% in the middle, who

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are just, as I tell folks, checked

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out of this kind of stuff on a regular basis. They just, they don’t,

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they don’t care. They can’t care enough. It doesn’t it doesn’t move them.

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They care about other things. And I and and when I talk to 40% of

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the 40 42 and a half percent of people are on the

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right and 42 and a half percent of people who are on the left, they

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can’t possibly believe that there are people who just don’t care about this. Matter of

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fact, I had several conversations this weekend with folks who are both on the right

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and the left, who just when I pointed that out

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to them, they were literally stunned. Right.

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Because of where we’ve sort of come with party politics, where party has

463
00:29:34,095 –> 00:29:37,300
replaced, religion and religious affiliation.

464
00:29:43,700 –> 00:29:47,365
Awareness as we do, whether or not an individual is a

465
00:29:47,365 –> 00:29:50,965
Democrat or a Republican. I mean, you’re even seeing this filter

466
00:29:50,965 –> 00:29:54,350
into mating patterns. You’re seeing this

467
00:29:54,410 –> 00:29:57,930
being a way that people’s divorce patterns are even being

468
00:29:57,930 –> 00:30:01,770
tracked. Here’s an interesting statistic for you to roll over reading this the

469
00:30:01,770 –> 00:30:03,535
other day. Apparently,

470
00:30:05,755 –> 00:30:09,435
among divorced men and divorced women, somewhere along the

471
00:30:09,435 –> 00:30:12,495
range of like 57% of divorced women are Democrats,

472
00:30:13,170 –> 00:30:16,150
whereas 60% of divorced men are Republicans.

473
00:30:19,330 –> 00:30:23,155
So they should marry each other? Well, no. No. They already married each other

474
00:30:23,155 –> 00:30:26,535
and they got divorced. That’s the thing.

475
00:30:26,755 –> 00:30:30,560
Right. And so and and, of course, you’re seeing this

476
00:30:30,560 –> 00:30:34,160
on the other end of patterns where Gen Zers, people who are in the

477
00:30:34,160 –> 00:30:37,680
youngest general current youngest generation that’s floating around that’s in the

478
00:30:37,680 –> 00:30:41,485
workforce and in the cultural zeitgeist, those individuals will

479
00:30:41,485 –> 00:30:45,005
not date anyone. They will swipe left or swipe right if that

480
00:30:45,005 –> 00:30:48,679
individual’s political affiliation doesn’t match theirs. And so

481
00:30:48,820 –> 00:30:52,179
you’re having a great sorting going on in America right

482
00:30:52,179 –> 00:30:55,940
now. And, you know, California is doing a really

483
00:30:55,940 –> 00:30:59,785
excellent job of exporting all of their center left people to other places like

484
00:30:59,785 –> 00:31:03,225
Arizona, where you live, or Texas, where I live, or

485
00:31:03,225 –> 00:31:05,085
Florida, where my in laws live.

486
00:31:06,890 –> 00:31:10,570
And because they’re the largest, most populous state in the in the in the

487
00:31:10,570 –> 00:31:12,990
lower forty eight region.

488
00:31:14,625 –> 00:31:18,305
And so they’re exporting all their center left people, their center left voters everywhere

489
00:31:18,305 –> 00:31:22,065
else. And, of course, the progressive hard left folks in that state is a

490
00:31:22,065 –> 00:31:25,630
concentrated rump. By the way, Kamala Harris,

491
00:31:25,630 –> 00:31:29,390
former senator from California, that

492
00:31:29,390 –> 00:31:33,045
state is gone. There’s no electoral landslide to

493
00:31:33,045 –> 00:31:36,885
Donald Trump. It’s gone. Goodbye. Just kiss goodbye. I mean, it might have been in

494
00:31:36,885 –> 00:31:40,505
play maybe, but now it’s just not. Right?

495
00:31:41,350 –> 00:31:45,110
So you talk about parties

496
00:31:45,110 –> 00:31:48,630
and we talk about affiliations. And one of the things that struck me in

497
00:31:48,630 –> 00:31:52,015
listening to the Congressional Oversight Committee

498
00:31:52,075 –> 00:31:55,515
grill, the now former head of the United States Secret

499
00:31:55,515 –> 00:31:58,815
Service, is that all of the Congress

500
00:31:58,875 –> 00:32:02,240
members, in particular Alexandria

501
00:32:02,300 –> 00:32:06,140
Ocasio Cortez, but also many

502
00:32:06,140 –> 00:32:09,975
others on the left and on the right, seem to be genuinely scared

503
00:32:09,975 –> 00:32:11,755
that that woman didn’t do her job.

504
00:32:14,215 –> 00:32:16,555
And they seem to be genuinely interested

505
00:32:17,760 –> 00:32:21,519
in making sure that this woman fell on her

506
00:32:21,519 –> 00:32:25,139
sword. And it was almost the first time I’d seen genuine bipartisan

507
00:32:25,679 –> 00:32:29,105
behavior from both parties that

508
00:32:29,105 –> 00:32:32,644
almost might have bordered on legislative statesmanship

509
00:32:32,945 –> 00:32:34,485
in the last 30 years.

510
00:32:39,059 –> 00:32:42,740
Why does it take an assassin’s near miss to

511
00:32:42,740 –> 00:32:44,440
get people to straighten up

512
00:32:46,405 –> 00:32:48,745
and to abandon their party politics?

513
00:32:50,725 –> 00:32:54,370
Because I think that’s the other thing that’s frustrating the regular 15% of people that

514
00:32:54,370 –> 00:32:57,970
are in between those 2 40% or 42 a half percent

515
00:32:57,970 –> 00:33:01,510
halves. Is at what point do we abandon

516
00:33:01,730 –> 00:33:05,434
party and really, without it being

517
00:33:05,434 –> 00:33:09,034
a marketing phrase or propagandist phrase, actually come

518
00:33:09,034 –> 00:33:12,320
together for the country? Where it actually means?

519
00:33:13,740 –> 00:33:17,500
What’s the thing? No. It’s it’s a very it’s a very good question. It’s a

520
00:33:17,500 –> 00:33:21,164
very good point. And to answer

521
00:33:21,164 –> 00:33:24,605
that, I think it’s when we first can come together as

522
00:33:24,605 –> 00:33:27,825
communities. Community is something that

523
00:33:28,930 –> 00:33:32,550
is a word that needs to be used more,

524
00:33:33,090 –> 00:33:36,710
but needs to be used more in contrast with actual

525
00:33:38,475 –> 00:33:42,175
government created structures or governmental structures.

526
00:33:42,315 –> 00:33:45,855
Okay? And does community in contrast to town,

527
00:33:46,690 –> 00:33:49,830
village, city, county, state,

528
00:33:50,370 –> 00:33:52,950
and country, because

529
00:33:54,065 –> 00:33:57,525
community is the thing that is spiritual. It’s the thing

530
00:33:57,985 –> 00:34:01,710
that you know when it exists and it’s strong and you know

531
00:34:01,710 –> 00:34:05,550
when it is ailing and in crisis, and yet it’s hard to

532
00:34:05,550 –> 00:34:09,170
put your finger on it. Where does it begin? Where does it end? What

533
00:34:09,230 –> 00:34:12,795
are the elements that make up a strong

534
00:34:12,795 –> 00:34:15,295
community? These questions are difficult to define.

535
00:34:17,355 –> 00:34:20,870
And, yet community is

536
00:34:20,870 –> 00:34:24,390
essential to to healthy, to healthy human

537
00:34:24,390 –> 00:34:27,610
societies. Another word, society. Another word that

538
00:34:31,315 –> 00:34:34,695
is a word that defies,

539
00:34:36,275 –> 00:34:39,770
I think, ready quantification.

540
00:34:40,549 –> 00:34:44,329
Okay? These community and society can’t really be put in boxes,

541
00:34:44,789 –> 00:34:48,585
and yet they’re essential to who we are. There are central ways of defining who

542
00:34:48,585 –> 00:34:51,245
we are as people, but also as individuals.

543
00:34:52,185 –> 00:34:52,685
Anyway,

544
00:34:55,719 –> 00:34:59,400
sorry. You have to remind me of the question again. Yeah. Because I

545
00:34:59,400 –> 00:35:03,160
remember the end of it. Yeah. And I got excited about community, and then I

546
00:35:03,160 –> 00:35:06,424
realized, wait a minute. Now I can’t remember the threat of the question. Yeah. Well,

547
00:35:06,424 –> 00:35:08,984
the the the what’s the point? No. No. No. No. No. The threat of the

548
00:35:08,984 –> 00:35:12,720
question is, what is the thing? Why does it take

549
00:35:12,720 –> 00:35:16,160
why does it take an assassin’s bullet? That’s Oh, that’s what it is. To to

550
00:35:16,160 –> 00:35:19,945
to to line us up. And by the way by the way, in Assassin’s

551
00:35:19,945 –> 00:35:23,645
Bullet, there was a near miss. And and in the history

552
00:35:23,785 –> 00:35:25,885
of presidential candidates,

553
00:35:27,349 –> 00:35:31,029
there have been something like, I think, not only presidential candidates, but also

554
00:35:31,029 –> 00:35:34,329
presidents. There have been something like 4 near misses.

555
00:35:35,714 –> 00:35:39,474
And this is not hyperbole. I

556
00:35:39,474 –> 00:35:42,960
think if Donald Trump had died on July

557
00:35:42,960 –> 00:35:46,579
13th in Pennsylvania, there would have been a state funeral, obviously.

558
00:35:47,760 –> 00:35:51,119
Nikki Haley would have assumed the mantle of the

559
00:35:51,119 –> 00:35:54,915
Republican Party and run for president because she had the 2nd most delegates.

560
00:35:54,915 –> 00:35:58,675
And so she would have had a Democratic, small

561
00:35:58,675 –> 00:36:00,680
D, and constitutional,

562
00:36:02,579 –> 00:36:06,020
what do you call it, argument for getting those delegates and she would have gotten

563
00:36:06,020 –> 00:36:08,440
them because the big donors back her in the party.

564
00:36:09,885 –> 00:36:13,405
So talk about the oligarchy. The Republican party has its own version of that

565
00:36:13,405 –> 00:36:17,085
too. And Yes, we do. And she

566
00:36:17,085 –> 00:36:20,640
would have gotten the delegates, but there would have been here’s the

567
00:36:20,640 –> 00:36:23,860
but or maybe not but. And in this counterfactual

568
00:36:24,320 –> 00:36:27,705
alternative historical timeline where Donald Trump dies, Joe

569
00:36:27,705 –> 00:36:31,305
Biden is still president. Kamala Harris is still off to the

570
00:36:31,305 –> 00:36:34,840
side. But here’s the but small,

571
00:36:34,840 –> 00:36:38,460
tiny insurrections are beginning everywhere from

572
00:36:38,920 –> 00:36:42,280
militias, from people who’ve just had

573
00:36:42,280 –> 00:36:46,085
enough. One of the major technologies of the last

574
00:36:46,085 –> 00:36:49,605
100 years is the Ford F150. Like, I can put a

575
00:36:49,605 –> 00:36:53,450
50 caliber machine gun on the back of a Ford F-one hundred and fifty with

576
00:36:53,450 –> 00:36:56,670
6 guys and just drive around and cause trouble.

577
00:36:57,930 –> 00:37:01,565
And if my vote doesn’t count and to your point

578
00:37:01,565 –> 00:37:05,185
about community, and they already killed the guy

579
00:37:06,045 –> 00:37:09,680
after calling him Hitler for the last 8 years. They

580
00:37:09,680 –> 00:37:12,740
killed Hitler, but I knew he wasn’t Hitler.

581
00:37:13,440 –> 00:37:17,055
Mhmm. My vote doesn’t count. I am no longer invested in the

582
00:37:17,055 –> 00:37:20,415
Republic. I’m no longer invested in the overall nation state

583
00:37:20,415 –> 00:37:24,099
community. And sure, they’re gonna send out the jack booted

584
00:37:24,099 –> 00:37:27,940
troops to come in, like, come get me. But

585
00:37:27,940 –> 00:37:31,140
I’m gonna bet that I’m more competent with 6 guys in the back of a

586
00:37:31,140 –> 00:37:34,725
Ford F150 and a 50 cal. I’m gonna bet my

587
00:37:34,725 –> 00:37:38,485
competency against those idiots who can’t even holster a

588
00:37:38,485 –> 00:37:42,245
weapon. Oh, I’m gonna bet my competency against those DEI

589
00:37:42,245 –> 00:37:45,380
hires every day and twice on Sundays. I’m gonna bet I shoot straighter.

590
00:37:46,320 –> 00:37:49,975
And by the way, it won’t just be me. It’ll be gangs in Chicago that

591
00:37:49,975 –> 00:37:52,615
don’t get paid attention to. But now it won’t just be black gangs. It’ll be

592
00:37:52,615 –> 00:37:56,295
white gangs. It’ll be folks down in Texas, where where I live.

593
00:37:56,295 –> 00:38:00,080
It’ll be militia members out in California that are in cells. It’ll be whatever the

594
00:38:00,080 –> 00:38:03,040
hell is going on in Florida. There’ll be stuff going on up in Massachusetts. And

595
00:38:03,040 –> 00:38:06,580
you would just see, you know, this alternative timeline. You’ll just see little little insurrections

596
00:38:06,800 –> 00:38:10,275
just start. And the government will further lose legitimacy. A

597
00:38:10,275 –> 00:38:13,895
democratic government, small capital D, democratic oligarchal

598
00:38:13,955 –> 00:38:17,569
government will continue to lose legitimacy and it will be chipped away over time and

599
00:38:17,569 –> 00:38:20,470
they will become more and more desperate over the course of time

600
00:38:21,089 –> 00:38:24,770
if the bullet actually not his bullet if Donald Trump

601
00:38:24,770 –> 00:38:28,035
doesn’t turn his head an eighth of an inch to the right, I’m sorry, to

602
00:38:28,035 –> 00:38:31,815
the left. Mhmm. Mhmm. That’s

603
00:38:33,875 –> 00:38:37,590
that thing right there, that act. Why did

604
00:38:37,590 –> 00:38:41,130
it take that act and a narrow miss like that

605
00:38:41,590 –> 00:38:44,410
to scare the hell out of everybody for 24 hours?

606
00:38:46,174 –> 00:38:50,015
In a way that I haven’t seen people get scared since,

607
00:38:50,015 –> 00:38:53,394
like, September 11th. Right. Right.

608
00:38:54,059 –> 00:38:57,579
Right. It’s weird. I, so, I

609
00:38:57,579 –> 00:39:01,039
mean, to answer the question, so there there there

610
00:39:01,545 –> 00:39:04,765
is more gravity in a bullet than even in a tax bill.

611
00:39:05,224 –> 00:39:09,065
Okay? Right. A bullet is gonna kill you. A tax bill is just gonna

612
00:39:09,065 –> 00:39:09,885
make you uncomfortable.

613
00:39:12,789 –> 00:39:16,549
I don’t know if if a draft slip, I don’t know where that

614
00:39:16,549 –> 00:39:20,255
falls, okay, before president Nixon, the first president Nixon,

615
00:39:20,255 –> 00:39:22,674
you know, did away with that. But, anyway,

616
00:39:24,655 –> 00:39:28,100
there there there’s little in in in the in human

617
00:39:28,100 –> 00:39:31,700
existence that has the gravity of a bullet that’s flying at you. Right. And

618
00:39:31,700 –> 00:39:35,320
so, that was frankly an attempt

619
00:39:35,380 –> 00:39:38,984
to to assassinate the American political process. Okay? That was an

620
00:39:38,984 –> 00:39:42,684
attempt that was an actual attempt. Mhmm. Okay?

621
00:39:43,944 –> 00:39:46,800
And an actual threat against democracy.

622
00:39:47,500 –> 00:39:51,020
Okay? Here’s this man. He’s loud and in

623
00:39:51,020 –> 00:39:54,380
charge, as he always has been literally for

624
00:39:54,380 –> 00:39:54,880
decades.

625
00:39:58,474 –> 00:40:02,234
And I think, you know, his his victory in November would have been a

626
00:40:02,234 –> 00:40:05,990
shoo in, but for, you know, president by

627
00:40:06,070 –> 00:40:09,210
Joseph r Biden junior deciding he’s not gonna run again. And so

628
00:40:09,510 –> 00:40:13,190
somebody else knew that, and somebody else was willing to take action

629
00:40:13,190 –> 00:40:16,835
because, apparently he couldn’t live with, that result,

630
00:40:17,454 –> 00:40:21,234
couldn’t live with what our democratic our constitutional process,

631
00:40:21,694 –> 00:40:24,550
provides for. And I’ve been frustrated

632
00:40:25,490 –> 00:40:27,990
over the past few years watching,

633
00:40:29,890 –> 00:40:33,405
democrats who, you know, are in the

634
00:40:33,405 –> 00:40:37,005
legal space, who talk about constitutional issues and certainly judicial

635
00:40:37,005 –> 00:40:40,740
issues as we do as attorneys. I’m just I’ve I’ve been frustrated

636
00:40:40,960 –> 00:40:42,660
listening to, you know,

637
00:40:44,640 –> 00:40:48,085
listening to the about face from,

638
00:40:48,224 –> 00:40:51,984
well, for example, I’ll give a

639
00:40:51,984 –> 00:40:55,585
specific issue, and I’ll try to remember the Supreme Court

640
00:40:55,585 –> 00:40:59,300
case. What case is

641
00:40:59,300 –> 00:41:02,820
it? I have to look it up. But,

642
00:41:02,820 –> 00:41:06,394
basically, if you listen to Democrats talk about Supreme Court

643
00:41:06,394 –> 00:41:10,174
precedent, about abortion, and talk about

644
00:41:11,090 –> 00:41:14,310
this big case that I believe it was Justice O’Connor from Arizona,

645
00:41:14,930 –> 00:41:18,694
who wrote the majority, opinion upholding some

646
00:41:18,694 –> 00:41:22,454
type of federal right to abortion. And you

647
00:41:22,454 –> 00:41:26,055
listen to the positions that they took about that. You know, this is the constitutional

648
00:41:26,055 –> 00:41:29,580
process. This is, you know, this is the precedent, so it has to be followed.

649
00:41:29,640 –> 00:41:33,020
Blah blah blah blah. Now all of a sudden through completely

650
00:41:33,080 –> 00:41:36,785
legitimate constitutional processes, there’s a different set of opinions

651
00:41:36,845 –> 00:41:40,605
sitting on that high bench. And now you’re getting decisions

652
00:41:40,605 –> 00:41:42,704
coming out that reflect that, that reflect

653
00:41:45,120 –> 00:41:48,960
differing judgments on the

654
00:41:48,960 –> 00:41:52,560
same issues. So precedents are being overruled as has

655
00:41:52,560 –> 00:41:56,355
happened, you know, throughout our history, frankly. But anyway, you

656
00:41:56,355 –> 00:41:59,895
now listen to them talk about, oh, you know, the problems

657
00:42:00,115 –> 00:42:03,780
in the process and how things need to be changed. And it’s just like,

658
00:42:03,940 –> 00:42:07,540
just because your side is losing now, because you’re losing in the judgments. So all

659
00:42:07,540 –> 00:42:10,580
of a sudden there’s a problem with the process. We’ve listened to you for more

660
00:42:10,580 –> 00:42:14,395
than 40 years. We’ve listened to you for for more

661
00:42:14,535 –> 00:42:17,974
than 40 years, and you’re perfectly content because you were getting what you

662
00:42:17,974 –> 00:42:21,640
wanted. And we just had to sit there and and grind our teeth and

663
00:42:21,640 –> 00:42:25,455
and pray and grind our teeth and know that, oh, okay.

664
00:42:25,855 –> 00:42:29,535
These are our constitutional processes, and this is how

665
00:42:29,535 –> 00:42:33,295
these play out. And now the tables are turned, and now all

666
00:42:33,295 –> 00:42:37,110
of a sudden we’re hearing them say, you know, words to the effect that,

667
00:42:37,110 –> 00:42:40,010
you know, the system is broken. It needs to be fixed.

668
00:42:41,350 –> 00:42:44,465
And they’re not saying it needs to be fixed because we’re not winning. They’re not

669
00:42:44,625 –> 00:42:48,465
admitting that that’s what is really driving, you know,

670
00:42:48,465 –> 00:42:51,985
is driving them. Now I didn’t I I don’t I don’t have fears for

671
00:42:51,985 –> 00:42:55,410
dystopian America, even if, you

672
00:42:55,410 –> 00:42:59,190
know, God forbid, even if, you know, the former president, had been killed,

673
00:42:59,650 –> 00:43:02,815
or you know, because we’re

674
00:43:03,355 –> 00:43:06,655
not, I mean, we’re not through to November yet. Right? So,

675
00:43:07,275 –> 00:43:10,415
I I just I don’t have fears for dystopian America,

676
00:43:11,410 –> 00:43:15,250
and there’s a few reasons why. And some

677
00:43:15,250 –> 00:43:18,370
of them is just, I think, understanding the character of who we are as a

678
00:43:18,370 –> 00:43:22,165
people. There is more of a problem.

679
00:43:22,385 –> 00:43:26,225
There would be more of a problem if all of

680
00:43:26,225 –> 00:43:29,990
a sudden the Internet didn’t work than if d

681
00:43:29,990 –> 00:43:33,510
j t were assassinated. The

682
00:43:33,510 –> 00:43:36,730
way in which that Aboriginal Caesar

683
00:43:38,185 –> 00:43:41,085
was able to do what he did and take people’s freedom

684
00:43:42,105 –> 00:43:45,790
was their bread and circuses. And so as long as

685
00:43:45,790 –> 00:43:49,630
Americans can get fat and turn on Netflix, it

686
00:43:49,630 –> 00:43:53,235
ain’t gonna happen. And it ain’t gonna happen on scale, and I’m not exaggerating. And

687
00:43:53,235 –> 00:43:57,075
I’m and literally, I mean that seriously. As long as those things happen, we ain’t

688
00:43:57,075 –> 00:44:00,855
gone anywhere. Okay? It’s we went from seventies,

689
00:44:00,915 –> 00:44:04,620
the revolution will not be televised to, we are going

690
00:44:04,620 –> 00:44:08,300
to televise something because that’s how we’re going to do a

691
00:44:08,300 –> 00:44:11,915
revolution. We’re gonna have you sit there and suck it in, and that may have

692
00:44:11,915 –> 00:44:14,735
been what they meant with that quote. Okay? But,

693
00:44:16,075 –> 00:44:19,360
to me, the use of television plus the Internet

694
00:44:19,680 –> 00:44:23,280
plus, you know, stuff on your phone to lull us

695
00:44:23,280 –> 00:44:26,260
into a stasis where we’re just existing

696
00:44:27,565 –> 00:44:31,244
is necessary for someone to then snatch power. And

697
00:44:31,244 –> 00:44:34,625
so I don’t expect large scale

698
00:44:34,924 –> 00:44:38,720
revolts. I don’t. I just I don’t. The only

699
00:44:38,720 –> 00:44:41,859
way that happens if the is it would be if there was an actual invasion.

700
00:44:42,000 –> 00:44:45,300
And, no, a bunch of broke brown people walking

701
00:44:45,520 –> 00:44:49,015
from the Mexico whatever border up

702
00:44:49,015 –> 00:44:52,615
to the border in my state and crossing illegally is not an

703
00:44:52,615 –> 00:44:56,400
invasion. I’m talking about, like, oh, there’s a 1,000 ships

704
00:44:56,400 –> 00:44:59,520
on the horizon about a 100 miles from California. What is and all of a

705
00:44:59,520 –> 00:45:03,200
sudden stuff just starts blowing up all over the western third of the United. That

706
00:45:03,200 –> 00:45:06,955
kind of invasion. That’s what I mean. When that happens, then all of a sudden

707
00:45:06,955 –> 00:45:10,155
we’re galvanized. And, of course, that would help make my point. Right? Because if that

708
00:45:10,155 –> 00:45:13,800
happens, one of the things that’s not gonna be operating is Internet because that’s how

709
00:45:13,800 –> 00:45:17,000
you keep a copy list with the dark Well so that you can do your

710
00:45:17,000 –> 00:45:19,453
invasion. That’s how Well, wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.

711
00:45:19,453 –> 00:45:22,994
Wait. Wait. Durrow. Japanese did it. Germans did it. We did it. It’s straightforward. Dorollo.

712
00:45:22,994 –> 00:45:26,675
Dorollo. Dorollo. So The the CrowdStrike CEO would like to enter the

713
00:45:26,675 –> 00:45:30,309
chat. I

714
00:45:30,309 –> 00:45:33,990
bet. I mean, the Internet we just had a large the largest IT

715
00:45:33,990 –> 00:45:37,829
failure since the lights went

716
00:45:37,829 –> 00:45:41,575
out in the late 19 sixties on the east coast for like 13

717
00:45:41,575 –> 00:45:45,335
days or whatever it was. And we had an IT failure in

718
00:45:45,335 –> 00:45:49,175
911 systems. We had an IT IT failure in banks. We had an IT

719
00:45:49,175 –> 00:45:52,940
failure in airlines. We had an error. It was what

720
00:45:52,940 –> 00:45:56,720
else did it impact? I mean, it impacted a whole bunch of stuff. Right? And

721
00:45:57,035 –> 00:46:00,415
and weirdly enough, to your point about bread and circuses, weirdly enough,

722
00:46:00,795 –> 00:46:02,655
everything just sort of

723
00:46:05,100 –> 00:46:08,880
kept going underneath its own inertia. So I’m not quite

724
00:46:09,260 –> 00:46:12,835
convinced of your argument that

725
00:46:13,055 –> 00:46:16,335
as long as the Internet is on, everything will be fine. No. No. No. No.

726
00:46:16,335 –> 00:46:19,810
So people like to eat too. So, like, we need both. Remember,

727
00:46:20,190 –> 00:46:23,950
we can keep getting fat, and we can turn on Netflix. It’s both. But it’s

728
00:46:23,950 –> 00:46:27,490
but it’s important. It’s both. But if but if you can only keep and circuses.

729
00:46:27,550 –> 00:46:30,925
It’s both. Okay. Okay. But if you can only keep the bread

730
00:46:30,925 –> 00:46:34,765
going, but the circus has to go, apparently, it’s

731
00:46:34,765 –> 00:46:38,500
gonna be fine. Well,

732
00:46:38,500 –> 00:46:42,200
my phone still worked. My phone still worked.

733
00:46:42,580 –> 00:46:45,675
I could still stream stuff or whatever. My phone still worked. So it’s like, oh,

734
00:46:45,675 –> 00:46:49,035
I I literally went to the bank. Oh, this ATM’s not working. Okay. But my

735
00:46:49,035 –> 00:46:52,235
phone still worked. I I mean, I went to work that day. I got I

736
00:46:52,235 –> 00:46:55,150
got stuff done. Like, my stuff worked.

737
00:46:57,210 –> 00:46:59,870
It’s fascinating. It’s fascinating because

738
00:47:01,915 –> 00:47:05,515
talk about real intersectionality. What disturbs me about

739
00:47:05,515 –> 00:47:09,350
it is it

740
00:47:09,350 –> 00:47:13,110
shows what’s possible. That’s one of the ways of putting it.

741
00:47:13,110 –> 00:47:16,170
It shows what’s possible when you want to.

742
00:47:17,734 –> 00:47:21,415
Sorry. I was stifling a sneeze, not getting overly emotional, but it shows

743
00:47:21,415 –> 00:47:25,175
what’s possible when you want to take a whole bunch

744
00:47:25,175 –> 00:47:27,115
of free people and just put them in the dark.

745
00:47:29,210 –> 00:47:33,050
Little bit of code. Wait. What? That’s it? Are you

746
00:47:33,050 –> 00:47:36,865
kidding? Really? Like, this is stuff that

747
00:47:36,865 –> 00:47:39,845
ought to make the CIA and MI 6, etcetera,

748
00:47:40,464 –> 00:47:44,210
furious because it’s if I were them, I would

749
00:47:44,210 –> 00:47:47,810
be saying things like, why the heck are we out here? Right. You couldn’t figure

750
00:47:47,810 –> 00:47:51,330
out how to compartmentalize your own systems back home. Like, why are we out

751
00:47:51,330 –> 00:47:54,725
here doing this when someone could just boop and all of a sudden

752
00:47:55,345 –> 00:47:59,049
everything just the walls all collapse? We’re all vulnerable? Like

753
00:47:59,369 –> 00:48:03,210
Well well and this gets me to this gets me to something that you and

754
00:48:03,210 –> 00:48:07,025
I were text texting back and forth about, which I’m gonna jump into here

755
00:48:07,025 –> 00:48:10,665
in a little bit, because it ties into the, the woman

756
00:48:10,665 –> 00:48:14,265
from the secret, the woman who’s heading the secret service and that entire

757
00:48:14,265 –> 00:48:18,030
operational failure all the way down. That ties into

758
00:48:18,570 –> 00:48:22,410
what you’re seeing with CrowdStrike and or what you saw with

759
00:48:22,410 –> 00:48:25,994
CrowdStrike and our response to it. It also ties in

760
00:48:26,155 –> 00:48:29,855
and by the way, there’s a clear through line from the Secret Service to CrowdStrike

761
00:48:30,714 –> 00:48:34,510
to the fact that your Subway sandwich, when you go to

762
00:48:34,510 –> 00:48:38,290
subway is not made nearly as well as it used to be.

763
00:48:39,070 –> 00:48:42,430
Mhmm. Mhmm. And it’s we blame a lot of this on COVID and on the

764
00:48:42,430 –> 00:48:46,245
pandemic. I think what COVID did was it gave people

765
00:48:46,245 –> 00:48:49,865
more of a permission to engage in bread and circuses type behavior

766
00:48:50,885 –> 00:48:54,630
rather than act as a backstop or give

767
00:48:54,630 –> 00:48:57,290
less permission to that. Mhmm.

768
00:48:59,670 –> 00:49:02,865
But first, before I jump into that,

769
00:49:03,325 –> 00:49:06,205
let me pick up from the Federalist Papers, which, of course, we’re supposed to be

770
00:49:06,205 –> 00:49:08,705
reading here. Federalist Papers number 9.

771
00:49:09,859 –> 00:49:13,619
Let me confirm the Hamilton’s writing. So The Federalist

772
00:49:13,619 –> 00:49:17,079
Papers number 9, the union as a safeguard against domestic

773
00:49:17,140 –> 00:49:20,715
faction and insurrection. Speaking of insurrection

774
00:49:21,815 –> 00:49:25,015
and I’m going to jump around a bunch of different places in here. I’m going

775
00:49:25,015 –> 00:49:28,480
to gonna quote from The Federalist Papers number 9.

776
00:49:29,900 –> 00:49:33,500
By the way, this is again Alexander Hamilton writing this, a person who was a

777
00:49:33,500 –> 00:49:36,455
monarchist, of the

778
00:49:36,915 –> 00:49:40,755
degree, and I quote, a firm union will be of the utmost

779
00:49:40,755 –> 00:49:44,210
moment to the peace and liberty of the states as a barrier against

780
00:49:44,210 –> 00:49:48,050
domestic faction and insurrection. It is impossible

781
00:49:48,050 –> 00:49:51,375
to read the history of the petty republics of Greece and Italy without feeling sensations

782
00:49:51,375 –> 00:49:54,595
of horror and disgust at the distractions with which they were continually

783
00:49:54,974 –> 00:49:58,734
agitated and at the rapid succession of revolutions by which they were kept

784
00:49:58,734 –> 00:50:02,330
in the state of perpetual vibration between the extremes of tyranny

785
00:50:02,550 –> 00:50:06,150
and anarchy. To de Rolo’s point, those

786
00:50:06,150 –> 00:50:09,734
extremes pause. Those extremes now exist on your cell phone

787
00:50:09,734 –> 00:50:10,875
between tweets.

788
00:50:13,894 –> 00:50:17,690
Back to Federalist Papers, and I quote, if

789
00:50:17,690 –> 00:50:21,450
they exhibit occasional calms, these only serve as short lived contrast to the furious

790
00:50:21,450 –> 00:50:25,025
storms that are to succeed. If now and then intervals of

791
00:50:25,025 –> 00:50:28,405
felicity open themselves to view, we behold them with a mixture of regret.

792
00:50:28,625 –> 00:50:32,065
Arising from the reflection, the pleasing scenes before us are soon to be overwhelmed by

793
00:50:32,065 –> 00:50:35,580
the tempestuous waves of sedition and party rage.

794
00:50:36,280 –> 00:50:39,820
Anybody seen by the way, pause. Anybody seen MSNBC lately?

795
00:50:40,285 –> 00:50:43,505
If anybody seen Joy Reid or a sheen.

796
00:50:44,605 –> 00:50:48,320
If momentary rays of glory break forth from the gloom, this is back

797
00:50:48,320 –> 00:50:51,940
to Hamilton, while they dazzle us with a transient and fleeting brilliancy,

798
00:50:52,240 –> 00:50:55,600
they at the same time admonish us to lament that the vices of government should

799
00:50:55,600 –> 00:50:58,535
pervert the direction and tarnish the and tarnish the luster of those bright talents and

800
00:50:58,535 –> 00:51:02,135
exalted endowments for which the favorite soils that produce them have been so

801
00:51:02,135 –> 00:51:05,850
justly celebrated. Why is Elon Musk

802
00:51:05,850 –> 00:51:09,530
still getting a tax bill? From the

803
00:51:09,530 –> 00:51:13,295
disorders that disfigure the annals of those republics, the advocates

804
00:51:13,375 –> 00:51:16,815
despotism have drawn arguments not only against the forms of

805
00:51:16,815 –> 00:51:20,115
republican government, but against the very principles of civil liberty

806
00:51:20,550 –> 00:51:24,150
as they have in our own time. They have decried all free government

807
00:51:24,150 –> 00:51:27,910
as inconsistent with the order of society and have indulged themselves in malicious

808
00:51:27,910 –> 00:51:31,335
exaltation over its friends and partisans. I believe for mankind,

809
00:51:31,395 –> 00:51:34,994
stupendous fabrics reared on the basis of liberty, which have flourished for

810
00:51:34,994 –> 00:51:38,615
ages, have in few in a few glorious instances, refuted

811
00:51:38,890 –> 00:51:42,570
their gloomy gothisms. And I trust

812
00:51:42,570 –> 00:51:46,170
America will be the broad and solid foundation of other edifices, not less

813
00:51:46,170 –> 00:51:49,724
magnificent, which will be equally permanent monuments of their

814
00:51:49,724 –> 00:51:53,345
errors. By the way, that is what de Rolo is hoping. He agrees with Hamilton.

815
00:51:58,059 –> 00:52:01,740
Let’s skip ahead a little bit. So far are the suggestions of

816
00:52:01,740 –> 00:52:05,475
Montanesqu from standing in opposition to the general union of the states that he

817
00:52:05,475 –> 00:52:09,155
explicitly treats of a Confederate Republic as the

818
00:52:09,155 –> 00:52:12,960
expedient for extending the spear of popular government and reconciling the

819
00:52:12,960 –> 00:52:16,740
advantages of monarchy with those of republicanism. Now I wanna pause here.

820
00:52:18,240 –> 00:52:22,045
Most people don’t know who Montanesque is. So go ahead, Drollo. Tell

821
00:52:22,045 –> 00:52:25,665
the folks What was his view? Montesquieu. Was he? Montesquieu.

822
00:52:25,965 –> 00:52:27,025
Yeah. So

823
00:52:30,940 –> 00:52:34,779
was a French, aristocrat, debauched all the rest

824
00:52:34,779 –> 00:52:38,145
of that stuff. Of course, that whole system came down. Right?

825
00:52:38,705 –> 00:52:42,245
17/89 to about actually for about 10 years,

826
00:52:42,545 –> 00:52:45,925
various cycles, various revolutions and quotation marks

827
00:52:46,530 –> 00:52:50,050
that, only Napoleon was able to stop by pointing cannons at

828
00:52:50,050 –> 00:52:53,845
people and firing. Anyway, and, of course,

829
00:52:53,845 –> 00:52:57,365
Jefferson cheered at one point and probably didn’t cheer at the end, though he did

830
00:52:57,365 –> 00:53:00,565
end up buying some great real estate in North America from that guy who pointed

831
00:53:00,565 –> 00:53:02,424
the cannons at people and yelled fire.

832
00:53:04,190 –> 00:53:07,410
But, Montesquieu was a political philosopher

833
00:53:07,790 –> 00:53:11,095
in his spare time, I guess. And,

834
00:53:11,975 –> 00:53:15,575
studied the British constitution. Okay? British constitution is

835
00:53:15,575 –> 00:53:19,230
not written, as you know. Studied the British arrangement of its

836
00:53:19,230 –> 00:53:22,849
governing institutions, which is called the constitution, its body. Okay. It’s corpus,

837
00:53:23,390 –> 00:53:26,415
spiritual body, and wrote about

838
00:53:28,474 –> 00:53:31,934
how law and power, can work and be arranged.

839
00:53:32,490 –> 00:53:36,329
And so the the of the spirit

840
00:53:36,329 –> 00:53:39,470
of the laws or spirit of the laws is his master work.

841
00:53:40,515 –> 00:53:43,315
And, you know, one of my goals is to read it in French one day.

842
00:53:43,555 –> 00:53:47,075
I actually said we were in Paris last month, and I actually saw volume

843
00:53:47,075 –> 00:53:50,820
1. But, it actually you know,

844
00:53:50,820 –> 00:53:54,579
I may have bought it. Bear with me

845
00:53:54,579 –> 00:53:57,135
a sec because now I have to check. I know where it is. I know

846
00:53:57,135 –> 00:54:00,734
Michelle. So either I bought that or I bought something else the first

847
00:54:00,734 –> 00:54:04,369
volume. Oh, I remember when it was. Never mind. I remember. I also

848
00:54:04,369 –> 00:54:06,869
want to read the talk views. Mhmm.

849
00:54:08,770 –> 00:54:12,290
The democracy in America. So the democracy in America. Right?

850
00:54:12,290 –> 00:54:15,765
Mhmm. I want to read that first. So I have that, and that’s what I

851
00:54:15,765 –> 00:54:19,365
bought. And that’s what I’m, you know, slowly making my way through. But, anyway, back

852
00:54:19,365 –> 00:54:23,000
to Montesquieu. Separation of powers, that’s from Montesquieu.

853
00:54:23,460 –> 00:54:27,275
Okay. That’s Montesquivian, and just

854
00:54:27,835 –> 00:54:31,615
how checks and balances can help maintain

855
00:54:33,674 –> 00:54:37,055
order and freedom in a way that

856
00:54:37,470 –> 00:54:41,150
unchecked government cannot. Okay? So for

857
00:54:41,150 –> 00:54:44,910
example, in the British system at the time, meaning in

858
00:54:44,910 –> 00:54:48,625
the the early the first half of

859
00:54:48,625 –> 00:54:51,985
the eighteenth century, because I think I think his work came out in

860
00:54:51,985 –> 00:54:55,770
17:40. But, anyway, in the early first half of the 18th century,

861
00:54:57,750 –> 00:55:01,110
in order for the, the

862
00:55:01,110 –> 00:55:04,865
Hanoverian monarch sitting on the British throne, to get money.

863
00:55:05,405 –> 00:55:09,165
Parliament had to pass the bill authorizing the taxes, and

864
00:55:09,165 –> 00:55:12,860
if the money didn’t come from, and not just

865
00:55:12,860 –> 00:55:16,640
that, but also the civilist, which was the actual basically, the the allowance

866
00:55:17,900 –> 00:55:21,424
the allowance paid to the monarch to run his court, his

867
00:55:21,424 –> 00:55:24,545
household, his etcetera. And,

868
00:55:25,105 –> 00:55:28,484
if money wasn’t authorized by parliament

869
00:55:30,089 –> 00:55:33,609
other than from his estates, which would have been a fraction of what he

870
00:55:33,609 –> 00:55:37,210
needed, there was no legitimate way to get money by the British

871
00:55:37,210 –> 00:55:40,895
monarch. So this is an example of a check a

872
00:55:40,895 –> 00:55:44,734
check on the monarch’s ability to ruin his

873
00:55:44,734 –> 00:55:48,035
populace by overtaxing them or assessing

874
00:55:48,335 –> 00:55:51,780
with fees and surcharges and whatever else is

875
00:55:51,780 –> 00:55:54,840
invented to take money from honest people,

876
00:55:55,300 –> 00:55:58,895
honest working people. Anyway, Yeah.

877
00:55:58,895 –> 00:56:02,495
Montesquieu. Montesquieu, wrote his masterwork.

878
00:56:02,495 –> 00:56:06,090
It was published and English

879
00:56:06,230 –> 00:56:09,990
speaking political thinkers, political scientists, others

880
00:56:09,990 –> 00:56:13,610
have been talking about it since. Okay. Back to

881
00:56:13,885 –> 00:56:17,184
number 9, Hamilton. Alright. It is very probable,

882
00:56:17,645 –> 00:56:21,405
says he, by the way, he meaning, Montanescu from the

883
00:56:21,405 –> 00:56:25,210
spirit of laws volume 1 book 9 chapter 1. So Hamilton is

884
00:56:25,210 –> 00:56:27,789
clearly Hamilton clearly read Montanescu.

885
00:56:29,130 –> 00:56:32,745
It is very probable, says he, that mankind would have obliged at length to

886
00:56:32,745 –> 00:56:36,505
live constantly under the government of a single person had they not contrived a kind

887
00:56:36,505 –> 00:56:39,245
of constitution that has all the internal advantages of a republican

888
00:56:40,369 –> 00:56:43,990
together with the external force of a monarchal government. I mean, a Confederate

889
00:56:44,130 –> 00:56:47,809
Republic. This form of government is a convention by which several smaller

890
00:56:47,809 –> 00:56:50,995
states agreed to become members of a larger one, which they intend to form. It

891
00:56:50,995 –> 00:56:54,675
is a kind of assemblage of societies that constitute a new one, capable of

892
00:56:54,675 –> 00:56:58,435
increasing by means of new associations, till they arrive at such a degree of power

893
00:56:58,435 –> 00:57:02,260
as to be able to provide for united body. A republic

894
00:57:02,260 –> 00:57:06,100
of this kind able to withstand an external force may support itself without any

895
00:57:06,100 –> 00:57:09,724
internal corruptions. The form of the society prevents all manner

896
00:57:09,724 –> 00:57:13,484
of inconveniences. Well, if a single member should attempt

897
00:57:13,484 –> 00:57:17,010
to usurp the supreme authority, he could not be supposed to have equal

898
00:57:17,010 –> 00:57:20,850
authority and credit in all the Confederate states. Were he to have too great an

899
00:57:20,850 –> 00:57:23,965
influence over 1, this would alarm the rest. Where he do so do a part

900
00:57:23,965 –> 00:57:27,805
that which would still remain free might oppose him with forces independent of those which

901
00:57:27,805 –> 00:57:31,585
he had usurped and overpower him before he could be settled in his usurpation.

902
00:57:33,109 –> 00:57:36,549
Should a popular insurrection happen in one of the Confederate states, the others are able

903
00:57:36,549 –> 00:57:40,309
to quell it. Should abuses creep into one part, they are reformed by those that

904
00:57:40,309 –> 00:57:44,025
remain sound. The state may be destroyed on one side and on the other, the

905
00:57:44,025 –> 00:57:47,565
Confederacy may be dissolved and the Confederates preserve their sovereignty.

906
00:57:48,640 –> 00:57:52,480
As this government is composed of small republics, it enjoys internal happiness of

907
00:57:52,480 –> 00:57:56,234
each and with respect to its external situation it is possessed by means of

908
00:57:56,234 –> 00:57:59,695
the association of all the advantages of large monarchies,

909
00:58:01,994 –> 00:58:05,560
close quote. I have thought it proper to quote at length these

910
00:58:05,560 –> 00:58:09,320
interesting passages because they contain a luminous abridgment of the principal arguments

911
00:58:09,320 –> 00:58:13,055
in favor of the union and must effectually remove the false impressions

912
00:58:13,055 –> 00:58:16,275
which a misapplication of other parts of the work was calculated to produce.

913
00:58:16,735 –> 00:58:20,070
They have, at the same time, an intimate connection with the more immediate design of

914
00:58:20,070 –> 00:58:23,750
this paper, which is to illustrate the tendency of the union to repress domestic

915
00:58:23,750 –> 00:58:27,375
faction and insurrection. A distinction more

916
00:58:27,375 –> 00:58:31,075
subtle than accurate has been raised between a confederacy and a consolidation of states.

917
00:58:31,535 –> 00:58:35,359
The essential character of the first is said to be the restriction of its

918
00:58:35,359 –> 00:58:38,720
authority to the members of their collective capacities without reaching to the

919
00:58:38,720 –> 00:58:41,140
individuals of whom they are composed.

920
00:58:42,585 –> 00:58:46,425
Finally, I’m going to skip down. The definition of a Confederate republic seems simply to

921
00:58:46,425 –> 00:58:50,105
be an assemblage of societies or an association of 2 or more states in one

922
00:58:50,105 –> 00:58:53,770
state. The extent modifications and objects of the federal authority are

923
00:58:53,770 –> 00:58:57,450
mere matters of discretion. So long as a separate organization of the

924
00:58:57,450 –> 00:59:01,045
member should not be abolished, so long as it exists by a constitutional

925
00:59:01,045 –> 00:59:04,885
necessity for local purposes, though it should be in perfect subordination to the

926
00:59:04,885 –> 00:59:08,484
general authority of the union, it would still be in fact and in

927
00:59:08,484 –> 00:59:12,250
theory an association of states or a Confederacy.

928
00:59:13,750 –> 00:59:15,050
Close quote.

929
00:59:17,755 –> 00:59:18,255
K.

930
00:59:28,670 –> 00:59:31,410
One of the things that Hamilton, Madison,

931
00:59:32,190 –> 00:59:35,715
John Jay, Thomas Jefferson,

932
00:59:35,935 –> 00:59:38,035
George Washington, Benjamin Franklin.

933
00:59:39,455 –> 00:59:43,220
John Adams, Monroe wasn’t there, though he was

934
00:59:43,220 –> 00:59:46,920
much later. But all of the major founding fathers

935
00:59:47,300 –> 00:59:50,935
believed Girolo. Was that and that

936
00:59:50,935 –> 00:59:54,615
they just assumed was that the

937
00:59:54,615 –> 00:59:58,395
Christian character of the people

938
00:59:58,455 –> 01:00:01,900
that they were ruling and where rulers would come

939
01:00:01,900 –> 01:00:05,520
from would be maintained over the course of time.

940
01:00:07,020 –> 01:00:10,445
Governments might be transitory, but

941
01:00:10,445 –> 01:00:12,225
belief in an external,

942
01:00:14,605 –> 01:00:17,505
omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent God,

943
01:00:19,770 –> 01:00:23,470
as defined in Christian terms, would be eternal.

944
01:00:25,424 –> 01:00:28,865
They did not foresee Marx. They did not foresee

945
01:00:28,865 –> 01:00:32,704
nihilism in through Nietzsche. Matter of fact, I

946
01:00:32,704 –> 01:00:36,510
think if you brought any of those guys forward now, matter of fact, I think

947
01:00:36,510 –> 01:00:40,050
probably Jefferson would be the most hornswoggled

948
01:00:40,510 –> 01:00:43,935
by Nietzsche, probably out of all the founding fathers. Not

949
01:00:43,935 –> 01:00:47,455
surprised maybe, but just hornswoggled by just

950
01:00:47,455 –> 01:00:50,960
how deep those ideas have embedded themselves into the

951
01:00:53,839 –> 01:00:57,359
they sought to build, they assumed because they assumed Christianity would be the

952
01:00:57,359 –> 01:01:01,185
bedrock and would never be taken out. And they also

953
01:01:01,185 –> 01:01:03,445
assumed that competency

954
01:01:05,345 –> 01:01:09,069
from such Christianity would also be

955
01:01:09,069 –> 01:01:12,910
the same throughout the course of time, and that that would be

956
01:01:12,910 –> 01:01:15,869
a set of assumptions that you could build a republic on and that would continue

957
01:01:15,869 –> 01:01:19,185
to grow in power and depth over the course of time. Close quote. I think

958
01:01:19,185 –> 01:01:22,805
that’s what Hamilton, even though he was not a Christian, but Hamilton

959
01:01:22,945 –> 01:01:26,390
was proposing there. I think that’s an undercurrent of

960
01:01:26,390 –> 01:01:29,690
assumptions that he was making even in bringing them onto Niskiyou.

961
01:01:29,910 –> 01:01:33,115
Right? Those assumptions

962
01:01:34,535 –> 01:01:38,375
no longer work in our times, and thus we are having a

963
01:01:38,375 –> 01:01:42,070
breakdown in all

964
01:01:42,070 –> 01:01:45,130
levels from the

965
01:01:47,190 –> 01:01:50,744
Subway sandwich maker who doesn’t

966
01:01:50,744 –> 01:01:54,424
even know how to count back your change based on the digital display

967
01:01:54,424 –> 01:01:56,905
they just gave you. I just had this experience the other day. I went in

968
01:01:56,905 –> 01:02:00,420
to get a subway sandwich. Doesn’t matter what store. I’m just going to use subway

969
01:02:00,800 –> 01:02:04,400
and the kid behind the counter. And by the way, kid he’s like

970
01:02:04,400 –> 01:02:08,125
25. Didn’t know how to count back to me the

971
01:02:08,125 –> 01:02:11,965
change on the digital display. No

972
01:02:11,965 –> 01:02:12,465
clue.

973
01:02:15,830 –> 01:02:18,490
And then from there, there’s a straight line to

974
01:02:19,670 –> 01:02:23,125
again, not to harp on it, but it is the most current

975
01:02:23,125 –> 01:02:26,965
thing. The United States Secret Service

976
01:02:26,965 –> 01:02:30,105
can’t put us countersniper on a roof because it’s too sloped.

977
01:02:30,530 –> 01:02:34,070
Like like

978
01:02:37,490 –> 01:02:41,015
I keep harping on this. You and I texted back and forth about this. I

979
01:02:41,015 –> 01:02:44,555
do fundamentally believe that we are in an incompetency crisis.

980
01:02:45,255 –> 01:02:48,900
We are in a crisis of incompetence at all levels, both

981
01:02:48,900 –> 01:02:52,660
horizontally and vertically in our republic right now. Mhmm.

982
01:02:52,660 –> 01:02:56,440
And it is a crisis that will kill the republic just assuredly

983
01:02:57,235 –> 01:03:01,075
if it’s not resolved, just assuredly as the crisis of the

984
01:03:01,075 –> 01:03:03,975
3rd century killed or almost killed the Roman Republic.

985
01:03:05,240 –> 01:03:08,859
And I do not believe that a monarch coming along,

986
01:03:09,000 –> 01:03:12,845
which I do believe is the approach of the Democrat party has, that

987
01:03:12,845 –> 01:03:16,445
I think they think that a one monarch, and actually the Republican Party

988
01:03:16,445 –> 01:03:20,285
too, believes that if there’s just one monarchal guy who’s

989
01:03:20,285 –> 01:03:23,840
competent or one monarchal woman who’s competent, then all of a sudden

990
01:03:23,840 –> 01:03:27,380
everything will snap back into place. I think we’re too far gone for that.

991
01:03:32,895 –> 01:03:36,175
What parallels let’s start with the let’s start with the because most people don’t know

992
01:03:36,175 –> 01:03:39,410
about the Roman Empire and the crisis of 3rd century. You know a lot about

993
01:03:39,410 –> 01:03:43,250
that. You’ve looked at that. What are the parallels to America today? Let’s start with

994
01:03:43,250 –> 01:03:46,954
that. And then and we can move outward because those people

995
01:03:46,954 –> 01:03:50,494
were not incompetent. They actually the bureaucrats of the 3rd century actually

996
01:03:50,635 –> 01:03:54,390
maintained Rome for the glory of Rome because they believed in the glory of Rome.

997
01:03:54,630 –> 01:03:58,230
I don’t believe that any of our current incompetent folks at all levels

998
01:03:58,230 –> 01:04:01,910
vertically or horizontally believe in the glory of the United States. They don’t have

999
01:04:01,910 –> 01:04:05,655
that Christian underpinning anymore. We’ve successfully

1000
01:04:06,355 –> 01:04:10,195
thrown that away. And now we don’t we don’t have anything else underneath there. So

1001
01:04:10,195 –> 01:04:13,315
and then by the way, this is a leadership question too, but let’s start with

1002
01:04:13,315 –> 01:04:16,849
the Roman piece. Mhmm. What are the parallels between the Roman

1003
01:04:16,849 –> 01:04:19,830
crisis of the 3rd century BC and America today?

1004
01:04:22,475 –> 01:04:26,095
So the Roman crisis of the 3rd century AD

1005
01:04:26,715 –> 01:04:29,515
is one of my know. Is this the one to which you’re referring This is

1006
01:04:29,515 –> 01:04:33,310
the one that was almost a century long crisis because of barbarian invasions,

1007
01:04:33,310 –> 01:04:36,850
etcetera, that one? Yes. Okay. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good.

1008
01:04:37,710 –> 01:04:41,330
Because there’s something to be said for what

1009
01:04:41,535 –> 01:04:44,835
was happening in the 3rd century BC and the Roman Republic.

1010
01:04:45,055 –> 01:04:48,895
Mhmm. The road to the empire, was not a swift

1011
01:04:48,895 –> 01:04:51,990
road. It was a slow road, but there were certainly

1012
01:04:54,610 –> 01:04:58,150
mile markers on that road as the republic

1013
01:05:00,545 –> 01:05:04,325
calcified and then became

1014
01:05:04,465 –> 01:05:08,119
fragile and fractures, you know,

1015
01:05:08,119 –> 01:05:11,900
began to be seen. And then, of course, as usual, there’s a patchwork attempt

1016
01:05:12,279 –> 01:05:15,894
to to fix something where in reality you need to fix the foundation. So you

1017
01:05:15,894 –> 01:05:19,494
have to literally recon rebuild the edifice on a

1018
01:05:19,494 –> 01:05:22,954
fixed foundation. Mhmm. And thankfully,

1019
01:05:23,850 –> 01:05:27,230
and it’s really strange to say it, but,

1020
01:05:28,090 –> 01:05:31,850
the particular emperor who relayed so now we’re

1021
01:05:31,850 –> 01:05:35,175
going to the 3rd century BC. BC, the the Syria excuse me, the 3rd century

1022
01:05:35,175 –> 01:05:39,015
AD. The particular emperor who relayed the foundation, was

1023
01:05:39,015 –> 01:05:42,040
horrendous when it came to persecuting Christians.

1024
01:05:43,140 –> 01:05:46,680
But Diocletian Mhmm. Knew how to be emperor

1025
01:05:46,900 –> 01:05:50,515
and actually sorted out the foundations of the empire anyway.

1026
01:05:52,095 –> 01:05:55,775
So in the 3rd century AD, the

1027
01:05:55,775 –> 01:05:59,610
Roman Empire entered into a crisis that

1028
01:05:59,610 –> 01:06:03,370
lasted several decades, and, there were several factors

1029
01:06:03,370 –> 01:06:07,215
involved. But one of the main ones that

1030
01:06:07,615 –> 01:06:08,995
directly, you know,

1031
01:06:11,775 –> 01:06:15,375
one of the main ones implied by the circumstances that directly addresses what you

1032
01:06:15,375 –> 01:06:19,100
raised is, you know, a breakdown

1033
01:06:19,240 –> 01:06:22,840
internally, a moral rot setting in internally within the

1034
01:06:22,840 –> 01:06:26,025
empire that led to the inability of,

1035
01:06:26,565 –> 01:06:30,164
the bureaucrats, the soldiers, and others to to to do their

1036
01:06:30,164 –> 01:06:33,730
jobs. And so, as I said, what

1037
01:06:33,730 –> 01:06:37,430
humans tend to do, we we wanna patch things up

1038
01:06:37,970 –> 01:06:41,805
rather than recognize that the type

1039
01:06:41,805 –> 01:06:45,645
of rot we’re dealing with is in the foundation, and thus we have to

1040
01:06:45,645 –> 01:06:49,200
remove the structure, relay the foundation, or

1041
01:06:49,200 –> 01:06:52,880
repair the foundation, and then reimpose the structure on

1042
01:06:52,880 –> 01:06:56,505
top or reimpose an alternative structure that fits

1043
01:06:56,505 –> 01:07:00,204
the new foundation. Those efforts at reform

1044
01:07:00,664 –> 01:07:04,069
can have some success. Shut the door. Thank you.

1045
01:07:04,069 –> 01:07:07,750
Shut the door. Thank you. Those,

1046
01:07:07,750 –> 01:07:11,345
pardon me, those efforts can have a chance of

1047
01:07:11,744 –> 01:07:15,585
success, whereas the patchwork leads to other problems. Okay? And

1048
01:07:15,585 –> 01:07:19,285
so you had these, barbarian invasions happening,

1049
01:07:19,345 –> 01:07:22,920
goths and others who were actual goths, not, you know,

1050
01:07:23,540 –> 01:07:27,035
teenagers dressed in black, but, peoples who came from,

1051
01:07:27,355 –> 01:07:31,194
Southern Scandinavia, Northern Germany who moved around, moved to my wife’s country, now country,

1052
01:07:31,194 –> 01:07:34,715
you know, Ukraine. Well, you know, her former

1053
01:07:34,715 –> 01:07:38,370
country that now is called Ukraine. That’s what I mean. You know,

1054
01:07:38,370 –> 01:07:41,670
and and ended up coming into the Roman Empire.

1055
01:07:43,145 –> 01:07:46,705
And many of them are recruited to serve, you know, as soldiers Mhmm.

1056
01:07:46,825 –> 01:07:50,420
Because there were problems, you know, getting

1057
01:07:50,420 –> 01:07:53,240
competent soldiers. And that’s that’s usually

1058
01:07:54,420 –> 01:07:58,200
a major issue. One of the other major issues that was certainly systemic,

1059
01:07:58,815 –> 01:08:02,195
because the problem with soldiers, that’s something you pay attention to at the borders.

1060
01:08:02,575 –> 01:08:06,175
Okay. You pay less attention to it internally, certainly where there isn’t, you know, some

1061
01:08:06,175 –> 01:08:09,079
kind of police force. But, anyway, hyperinflation

1062
01:08:10,420 –> 01:08:13,000
due to massive increases in public spending

1063
01:08:14,875 –> 01:08:18,095
basically helped create a breakdown in,

1064
01:08:18,875 –> 01:08:22,095
trade. Okay. Increasing danger

1065
01:08:22,700 –> 01:08:26,239
to personal safety, criminality, plus hyperinflation

1066
01:08:27,340 –> 01:08:31,154
basically took what was a global trade economy, okay, that

1067
01:08:31,154 –> 01:08:34,514
relied on with economies of scale that relied on

1068
01:08:34,514 –> 01:08:38,114
competitive advantage, I e, I produce wine in

1069
01:08:38,114 –> 01:08:41,740
Italy and I sell it, to the province of Egypt. And I

1070
01:08:41,740 –> 01:08:45,340
buy wheat there because we make wine and they make wheat, and so we

1071
01:08:45,340 –> 01:08:48,000
exchange it. Okay. That ended up being replaced,

1072
01:08:49,675 –> 01:08:53,115
certainly going forward in time, but ended up being replaced by

1073
01:08:53,115 –> 01:08:56,830
a proto feudal economy where these

1074
01:08:56,830 –> 01:09:00,609
large landowners, okay, and you can certainly read corporations

1075
01:09:00,830 –> 01:09:03,250
if you wish, but these large landowners,

1076
01:09:05,744 –> 01:09:09,185
instead of producing the wine to then put

1077
01:09:09,185 –> 01:09:12,864
on ships, sent to Egypt, that was no longer secure. It was no

1078
01:09:12,864 –> 01:09:16,220
longer certain. And now there’s issues with prices being crazy.

1079
01:09:16,680 –> 01:09:20,200
So what did they do? They started producing food. So now they don’t have to

1080
01:09:20,200 –> 01:09:23,580
trade with Egypt. They’re okay where they’re at

1081
01:09:23,785 –> 01:09:27,545
producing what they need. And, well, how do you find workers? Well,

1082
01:09:27,545 –> 01:09:30,604
because of security issues and because of food problems,

1083
01:09:31,790 –> 01:09:35,630
the Roman Empire started deurbanizing. Mhmm. So

1084
01:09:35,630 –> 01:09:39,330
free citizens left cities for the countryside and searched their food,

1085
01:09:39,415 –> 01:09:43,175
Found these large landowners who, in exchange for work, certainly are gonna

1086
01:09:43,175 –> 01:09:46,475
give you food. Right? Now remember, hyperinflation, currency, ridiculously

1087
01:09:46,535 –> 01:09:50,149
debased, so now you’re bartering. So, well, I have work.

1088
01:09:50,529 –> 01:09:52,930
I can work for you, and you can give me food. Oh, great. Does that

1089
01:09:52,930 –> 01:09:56,614
sound familiar? Yeah. It should. And

1090
01:09:56,614 –> 01:09:57,915
so the deurbanization

1091
01:10:00,054 –> 01:10:03,755
and this proto feudal arrangement led

1092
01:10:04,040 –> 01:10:07,800
to serfdom. Okay? What ended up happening

1093
01:10:07,800 –> 01:10:11,480
is people ended up exchanging their liberty for security and

1094
01:10:11,480 –> 01:10:14,855
food. Okay? So we went from bread and circuses

1095
01:10:16,755 –> 01:10:20,520
to surf film. Okay? And then, you know, and,

1096
01:10:20,520 –> 01:10:23,980
obviously, that that implicates a loss of freedom that would largely

1097
01:10:24,120 –> 01:10:27,420
remain for at least a 1000

1098
01:10:27,640 –> 01:10:31,435
years. Okay? And east of the empire would

1099
01:10:31,435 –> 01:10:35,195
last longer. Right? East of the empire referring to Russia, where it

1100
01:10:35,195 –> 01:10:38,974
would last into the 19th century.

1101
01:10:40,369 –> 01:10:44,130
Russian serfdom was abolished even after American slavery was

1102
01:10:44,130 –> 01:10:47,889
abolished. Okay? But, yeah, it

1103
01:10:47,889 –> 01:10:51,705
lasted, yeah, a a

1104
01:10:51,705 –> 01:10:55,305
long time, but at least a 1000 years for the main corpus. Okay? And it

1105
01:10:55,305 –> 01:10:59,130
wasn’t uniform. Okay? Right. It’s important studying those differences.

1106
01:10:59,130 –> 01:11:02,489
When when people, when

1107
01:11:02,489 –> 01:11:06,295
people talk about the development of human rights and, you know, when

1108
01:11:06,295 –> 01:11:09,975
they talk about issues of natural right and whatever, one of the

1109
01:11:09,975 –> 01:11:12,875
things that is not examined often enough

1110
01:11:14,320 –> 01:11:17,679
is, the response to the question, okay. But

1111
01:11:17,679 –> 01:11:20,739
why England? Mhmm.

1112
01:11:21,415 –> 01:11:24,555
Why did the southern portion of the Isle of Great Britain

1113
01:11:25,495 –> 01:11:29,275
develop these notions before everyone else and then

1114
01:11:29,580 –> 01:11:32,940
successfully construct institutions to govern

1115
01:11:32,940 –> 01:11:36,400
themselves peacefully for 800

1116
01:11:36,540 –> 01:11:40,085
years or more based on these notions. Why

1117
01:11:40,305 –> 01:11:43,365
England? And if you study England’s

1118
01:11:43,745 –> 01:11:47,125
history on the right level, you can see

1119
01:11:47,440 –> 01:11:51,280
what the origins of English individualism are. And there’s a book

1120
01:11:51,280 –> 01:11:54,719
by Alan McFarland that’s basically called that the words the origins of English individual. And

1121
01:11:54,719 –> 01:11:58,445
it’s really fascinating because, arguably, they were the first

1122
01:11:58,445 –> 01:12:01,025
of European societies to exit

1123
01:12:02,045 –> 01:12:05,830
being a peasant society. Okay? What we’re talking about now is how peasant society was

1124
01:12:05,830 –> 01:12:08,730
created. Okay? It’s created because of government

1125
01:12:09,270 –> 01:12:12,574
problems. Okay? Governments create

1126
01:12:12,715 –> 01:12:15,454
surfs. Government problems

1127
01:12:16,155 –> 01:12:19,915
create surfs. Okay? Because people gotta eat, as

1128
01:12:19,915 –> 01:12:23,760
I said. Remember? Why is the revolution gonna be televised? Because

1129
01:12:23,760 –> 01:12:27,360
people gotta in America, we just gotta keep getting fat and keep

1130
01:12:27,360 –> 01:12:31,045
scrolling Netflix, and we’re good. Okay? Because if you

1131
01:12:31,045 –> 01:12:34,485
threaten the first of those, well, I’m gonna scroll until I’m hungry, and then I’m

1132
01:12:34,485 –> 01:12:37,364
like, wait. Where wait. What’s going on? Now all of a sudden, I can’t pay

1133
01:12:37,364 –> 01:12:40,760
attention to the circus because my stomach is telling me

1134
01:12:40,760 –> 01:12:44,360
something true. Okay? There ain’t any

1135
01:12:44,360 –> 01:12:48,085
food. Okay? There is something rotten in the state of Denmark because

1136
01:12:48,085 –> 01:12:51,925
there’s no bread in the house of bread. Totally in mixing metaphors and

1137
01:12:51,925 –> 01:12:55,525
geographies, but, Courtney, what can you say? But in all

1138
01:12:55,525 –> 01:12:59,350
seriousness, you know, you threaten the bread, you have one

1139
01:12:59,350 –> 01:13:02,550
type of problem. You threaten the circus, you have a different type of problem. Okay?

1140
01:13:02,550 –> 01:13:06,070
Because now people are well fed. Happy. Okay. But what are we gonna do? Oh,

1141
01:13:06,070 –> 01:13:09,435
we’re bored. Bored free people? Mhmm.

1142
01:13:09,975 –> 01:13:13,495
That’s not something a republic needs. Okay. Part of

1143
01:13:13,495 –> 01:13:16,715
the power of work, okay,

1144
01:13:17,160 –> 01:13:20,940
is that it takes bored people and makes them productive.

1145
01:13:21,160 –> 01:13:23,900
Mhmm. In our free republic, right,

1146
01:13:24,815 –> 01:13:28,495
we arrange that in a way where you get to choose what you do, and

1147
01:13:28,495 –> 01:13:32,340
you get the compensation you can negotiate. And when the government

1148
01:13:32,340 –> 01:13:35,940
doesn’t interfere, that generally works pretty

1149
01:13:35,940 –> 01:13:39,675
well, certainly where you have, you know, antitrust laws that work. Because

1150
01:13:39,675 –> 01:13:43,355
then it’s not everybody works for Amazon. Sorry. Amazon picking on you. Everybody

1151
01:13:43,355 –> 01:13:46,875
works for Amazon or you don’t work at all and you starve. It’s,

1152
01:13:46,875 –> 01:13:50,650
oh, there is an actual marketplace because there’s goods and services that

1153
01:13:50,650 –> 01:13:54,110
need to be made and exchanged, and there’s a bunch of us together.

1154
01:13:54,330 –> 01:13:57,805
We have differing skills, different mental abilities, different backgrounds, different

1155
01:13:57,805 –> 01:14:01,344
predilections, different things we want. So we’ll end up meeting

1156
01:14:01,405 –> 01:14:05,010
those needs voluntarily without too much government

1157
01:14:05,010 –> 01:14:08,850
interference. Okay. So you said previously you don’t believe

1158
01:14:08,850 –> 01:14:12,050
in a dystopia or you don’t believe that we will we will fall into a

1159
01:14:12,050 –> 01:14:15,635
dystopia. And yet everywhere we look, we see

1160
01:14:15,635 –> 01:14:19,315
moral rot. Now you said what we you also

1161
01:14:19,315 –> 01:14:23,030
said when we threaten the bread, that’s one

1162
01:14:23,030 –> 01:14:26,550
thing. When you threaten the circus, that’s something else. And I

1163
01:14:26,550 –> 01:14:30,250
fundamentally believe that COVID was a test run

1164
01:14:30,915 –> 01:14:34,375
for a u a UBI scheme, which is the

1165
01:14:34,835 –> 01:14:38,434
you talk about how how the the Roman Empire and the

1166
01:14:38,434 –> 01:14:42,260
crisis of the 3rd century AD led to pro led led to proto

1167
01:14:42,260 –> 01:14:45,940
feudalism. Right? Uh-huh. I fundamentally believe that the people who think they’re

1168
01:14:45,940 –> 01:14:48,920
running things at the World Economic Forum and other places

1169
01:14:49,595 –> 01:14:53,435
don’t have a better idea than global feudalism. They don’t have

1170
01:14:53,435 –> 01:14:57,035
a better idea than that. Mhmm. That’s why you

1171
01:14:57,035 –> 01:15:00,659
see the bread and circuses in the United States as the distraction.

1172
01:15:01,280 –> 01:15:04,880
But then you also see brown people, to your point

1173
01:15:04,880 –> 01:15:08,485
earlier, being shuffled and moved and shunted across

1174
01:15:08,485 –> 01:15:11,465
borders, partially with the encouragement of bureaucrats,

1175
01:15:14,040 –> 01:15:17,260
who are wedded to the mystical, existential,

1176
01:15:17,800 –> 01:15:21,645
pagan worship idea of climate change. And so

1177
01:15:22,185 –> 01:15:25,965
you see those dynamics, then you see forever,

1178
01:15:26,025 –> 01:15:29,260
to paraphrase from people on the right in America, forever wars,

1179
01:15:29,400 –> 01:15:33,080
endless warfare going on where people are dying in real

1180
01:15:33,080 –> 01:15:36,460
material ways, which death is just as material as hunger.

1181
01:15:36,775 –> 01:15:40,454
And we are, of course, in the West are being asked to fund these

1182
01:15:40,454 –> 01:15:44,110
wars in perpetuity with no end, just Just no

1183
01:15:44,270 –> 01:15:48,030
because there’s no endgame there. There’s no endgame in Israel.

1184
01:15:48,030 –> 01:15:51,570
There’s no endgame in the Ukraine. Or if there is an endgame,

1185
01:15:52,005 –> 01:15:55,465
is an end game that is so existentially horrific

1186
01:15:56,165 –> 01:16:00,005
that the people who have been placed in positions

1187
01:16:00,005 –> 01:16:03,510
of leadership and call themselves leaders are incompetent to

1188
01:16:03,510 –> 01:16:07,270
explain it to us. Mhmm. And I don’t mean, by the

1189
01:16:07,270 –> 01:16:11,050
way, that they’re incompetent in terms of climbing the greasy pole.

1190
01:16:11,085 –> 01:16:14,864
They’re very competent in terms of that. I mean, they’re incompetent again

1191
01:16:14,925 –> 01:16:18,545
at doing the core thing that’s that’s that’s that requires

1192
01:16:19,165 –> 01:16:20,225
us to go along.

1193
01:16:23,210 –> 01:16:26,030
Instead, they’d rather just throw bread and circuses at us. Okay.

1194
01:16:27,770 –> 01:16:31,385
There’s an idea and I did a whole shorts episode about this, called

1195
01:16:31,385 –> 01:16:35,145
Hanlon’s razor. You’ve heard this. I

1196
01:16:35,145 –> 01:16:38,820
think I have once, and I can’t tell you what it is, though. So

1197
01:16:38,820 –> 01:16:41,860
enlighten us. I’ll tell you what it is. Hamlin’s razor is the idea that you

1198
01:16:41,860 –> 01:16:45,320
should never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity.

1199
01:16:50,235 –> 01:16:53,810
Or or incompetence. Right? Yep. I believe

1200
01:16:53,810 –> 01:16:57,570
fundamentally that good Christian people, and there are many of them in the United

1201
01:16:57,570 –> 01:17:01,065
States, want to find the

1202
01:17:01,065 –> 01:17:04,445
malice behind these things when in reality, it’s just incompetency.

1203
01:17:05,705 –> 01:17:09,380
My lovely wife is one of these folks, And she’s not alone, by the way.

1204
01:17:09,380 –> 01:17:12,679
There’s millions of people who see conspiratorial

1205
01:17:13,300 –> 01:17:16,900
malice, genuine evil behind these

1206
01:17:16,900 –> 01:17:20,485
things. And I look at it and I used to

1207
01:17:20,485 –> 01:17:24,265
see conspiratorial evil, but more and more I see

1208
01:17:25,340 –> 01:17:28,780
incompetence. Mhmm. There’s, there’s an

1209
01:17:28,780 –> 01:17:32,380
author and, researcher, biological researcher

1210
01:17:32,380 –> 01:17:36,085
named Brett Weinstein, you may or may

1211
01:17:36,085 –> 01:17:38,585
not have heard of. And he recently

1212
01:17:40,005 –> 01:17:43,310
hey. As COVID happened, he so he was a biological researcher. Right? Let me give

1213
01:17:43,310 –> 01:17:47,150
you a little background on Brett Weinstein. So he’s a biological researcher, deep into

1214
01:17:47,150 –> 01:17:50,750
biologics, deep into viruses, deep into virology. And when COVID came

1215
01:17:50,750 –> 01:17:54,195
around, he started talking out loud about how this was

1216
01:17:54,195 –> 01:17:57,955
nonsense, what we were doing around COVID at a public policy, health

1217
01:17:57,955 –> 01:18:01,390
care policy level. And he got fired from his,

1218
01:18:01,870 –> 01:18:05,230
he got fired from his school. And because he had a little bit of a

1219
01:18:05,230 –> 01:18:08,724
Twitter following, he had a little bit of a Substack following, podcast

1220
01:18:08,724 –> 01:18:12,264
following, he was able to sort of rebuild his existence. Okay?

1221
01:18:13,284 –> 01:18:17,020
And he now does goes on shows like Jordan Peterson

1222
01:18:17,020 –> 01:18:20,460
show. He goes on Joe Rogan. He talks about what he sees. And this is

1223
01:18:20,460 –> 01:18:24,235
not a screaming at the sky, blue haired kind of guy. He’s

1224
01:18:24,235 –> 01:18:27,995
not Joe Rogan. Right? He’s not or Alex Jones. He’s not that guy. He’s very

1225
01:18:27,995 –> 01:18:31,835
measured in what he says, very measured in what he writes. He’s even very careful

1226
01:18:31,835 –> 01:18:35,530
in his in his tone of voice, and I hear him talk on Joe

1227
01:18:35,530 –> 01:18:38,969
Rogan. It’s it’s like a little bit like listening to a robot, but he’s very

1228
01:18:38,969 –> 01:18:42,329
measured because he’s being careful in every single word that he says, both to avoid

1229
01:18:42,329 –> 01:18:45,795
libel, unlike Alex Jones, and to

1230
01:18:45,795 –> 01:18:49,475
not unnecessarily, to to

1231
01:18:49,475 –> 01:18:52,535
Madison or not Madison or Hamilton’s point here to not

1232
01:18:53,010 –> 01:18:56,770
necessarily push the nerves of people between

1233
01:18:56,770 –> 01:19:00,225
tyranny and anarchy. Right? Mhmm. And

1234
01:19:00,225 –> 01:19:03,365
recently, particularly with the, with

1235
01:19:04,385 –> 01:19:08,145
the coronation of Kamala Harris to the top of the Democratic party

1236
01:19:08,145 –> 01:19:11,969
presidential ticket, he put out something on Substack, which I think relates to

1237
01:19:11,969 –> 01:19:15,810
this. He said, and I quote, I don’t

1238
01:19:15,810 –> 01:19:19,255
know what the contingencies plans were for the deep state,

1239
01:19:19,255 –> 01:19:22,935
whoever’s really running that. But this everything

1240
01:19:22,935 –> 01:19:26,775
we’re seeing now is what it looks like when the deep state is.

1241
01:19:26,775 –> 01:19:30,220
And this is the part about the competency. This is what it looks like when

1242
01:19:30,220 –> 01:19:32,080
the deep state is just winging it.

1243
01:19:36,184 –> 01:19:39,065
If that doesn’t scare the hell out of you and give you a little bit

1244
01:19:39,065 –> 01:19:41,085
of a chill, you’re not paying attention.

1245
01:19:44,270 –> 01:19:47,889
The people who want to bring us a new form of global feudalism

1246
01:19:48,909 –> 01:19:52,585
based on central bank currency and

1247
01:19:52,585 –> 01:19:55,805
UBI for everyone and bread and circuses everywhere and

1248
01:19:56,105 –> 01:19:59,780
people being moved across borders and boundaries. And sometimes they’re

1249
01:19:59,780 –> 01:20:03,260
gonna shut you in. Sometimes the only ideas they can come up

1250
01:20:03,260 –> 01:20:07,020
with, the only ones that

1251
01:20:07,020 –> 01:20:10,825
for all of their brilliance, all of their I graduated, I climbed

1252
01:20:10,825 –> 01:20:14,585
the greasy pole of academic institutions, all of their

1253
01:20:14,585 –> 01:20:18,060
brilliance, the only idea they can come up with is a

1254
01:20:18,060 –> 01:20:21,760
Neo feudalism based on the Internet.

1255
01:20:22,700 –> 01:20:25,340
That’s it. That’s the only idea they can come up with. They cannot come up

1256
01:20:25,340 –> 01:20:29,055
with a better idea. And

1257
01:20:29,055 –> 01:20:30,995
that reveals their incompetency.

1258
01:20:33,535 –> 01:20:37,360
And this is why I say we’re in an incompetency crisis, not

1259
01:20:37,360 –> 01:20:40,800
just in the United States, but in the West overall, which by the way you

1260
01:20:40,800 –> 01:20:44,239
talk about England. Why England? Well, we are inheritors of that

1261
01:20:44,239 –> 01:20:48,074
English tradition. We should be leading on something

1262
01:20:48,074 –> 01:20:51,755
new. But our crisis has

1263
01:20:51,755 –> 01:20:55,480
led us to putting incompetent people or people who are revealing

1264
01:20:55,480 –> 01:20:59,239
their incompetency at certain levels, and they are incapable of

1265
01:20:59,239 –> 01:21:03,080
leading. That’s why I do the podcast because they’re incapable of

1266
01:21:03,080 –> 01:21:06,705
leading. What the hell are we doing out here? We’re in the middle of

1267
01:21:06,705 –> 01:21:10,465
an early 21st century version of the

1268
01:21:10,465 –> 01:21:14,210
3rd century AD Roman crisis, And my

1269
01:21:14,210 –> 01:21:18,050
concern is that it will wind up in feudalism, but feudalism based

1270
01:21:18,050 –> 01:21:20,630
on AI and feudalism based on

1271
01:21:22,315 –> 01:21:26,074
Netflix and feudalism based on pay no attention to the

1272
01:21:26,074 –> 01:21:29,590
brown people coming across your border over here who are burning your buildings down and

1273
01:21:29,750 –> 01:21:33,590
may potentially be sexually assaulting your women and engaged in criminality. Pay no attention

1274
01:21:33,590 –> 01:21:37,110
to the hyperinflation of the fact that your money doesn’t buy nearly as much as

1275
01:21:37,110 –> 01:21:40,105
it. Pay no attention to the fact that we’re going to give citizenship to these

1276
01:21:40,105 –> 01:21:43,385
people and ask them to serve in our military force and defend our borders against

1277
01:21:43,385 –> 01:21:46,880
god knows who and god knows what. Pay no attention to the the

1278
01:21:46,880 –> 01:21:50,159
endless wars that are going on and potential wars in the future that we keep

1279
01:21:50,159 –> 01:21:53,600
rattling the cages about because we wanna feel like we’re masters of the universe, pretending

1280
01:21:53,600 –> 01:21:55,875
people to die. What are we doing?

1281
01:21:59,215 –> 01:22:02,969
Mhmm. And you combine all that together. And so the question is and and by

1282
01:22:02,969 –> 01:22:05,369
the way, I get horror, by the way, when I think about this, when I

1283
01:22:05,369 –> 01:22:08,889
think about Hamlet’s razor, when I think about not attributing to

1284
01:22:08,889 –> 01:22:12,415
malice, what can be attributed to stupidity or incompetence?

1285
01:22:12,715 –> 01:22:15,835
That, that, that, that gives me a sense of horror because that means there is

1286
01:22:15,835 –> 01:22:19,440
no mind behind it. It’s just people doing

1287
01:22:19,500 –> 01:22:22,400
stuff. Mhmm. There’s a plan.

1288
01:22:23,740 –> 01:22:27,565
You mean there’s no leadership? Right. What you’re saying

1289
01:22:27,565 –> 01:22:31,265
is there’s no leadership. It’s just people doing stuff. There’s no leadership

1290
01:22:31,325 –> 01:22:35,005
people doing. Right. It’s just people just taking action, doing stuff. Oh, whatever. Just

1291
01:22:35,085 –> 01:22:38,610
I’ll I’ll just do this. Yes. Right. That’s called there’s no leadership.

1292
01:22:38,750 –> 01:22:39,490
That’s anarchy.

1293
01:22:42,715 –> 01:22:46,395
No. It’s more a listlessness as

1294
01:22:46,395 –> 01:22:50,155
we drift toward the rocks that are going to smash

1295
01:22:50,155 –> 01:22:53,900
the ship of state. Right. Anarchy is what would come

1296
01:22:53,900 –> 01:22:57,520
after that. But yeah. It

1297
01:22:58,620 –> 01:23:02,445
And I listen to a lot of stuff there. Sorry. No. That’s fine.

1298
01:23:02,445 –> 01:23:05,905
But I agree. It’s it’s it’s the antithesis of of leadership.

1299
01:23:05,965 –> 01:23:09,724
So, I wanna read

1300
01:23:09,724 –> 01:23:13,429
something. So my version of the Federalist Papers Yes. Was edited

1301
01:23:13,429 –> 01:23:17,110
by Clinton Rossiter, who was an American historian. My version is old. So

1302
01:23:17,110 –> 01:23:20,070
what he wrote, he wrote I’m gonna tell you the year he wrote it after

1303
01:23:20,070 –> 01:23:23,865
I read it because of what it says. So basically, synthesize what the

1304
01:23:23,865 –> 01:23:27,485
Federalist was communicating to the following propositions.

1305
01:23:27,865 –> 01:23:31,650
Quote, no happiness without liberty, no liberty without self

1306
01:23:31,730 –> 01:23:35,570
government, no self government without constitutionalism, no constitutionalism without

1307
01:23:35,570 –> 01:23:39,409
morality, and none of these great goods without

1308
01:23:39,409 –> 01:23:42,265
stability and order, period. And,

1309
01:23:43,145 –> 01:23:46,585
I have a a little arrow I drew, and then I said the moral

1310
01:23:46,585 –> 01:23:50,090
architecture of a well ordered society. That’s

1311
01:23:50,090 –> 01:23:53,550
what stability means. And so for me, it’s

1312
01:23:53,770 –> 01:23:57,610
perfectly accurate except that he doesn’t begin with morality. Okay?

1313
01:23:57,610 –> 01:24:01,185
He began with something that antedated morality, but to

1314
01:24:01,185 –> 01:24:04,784
me, they go hand in hand. It’s the function of

1315
01:24:04,784 –> 01:24:07,284
government to produce stability and order via

1316
01:24:14,910 –> 01:24:18,625
because he will because he will exploit the people

1317
01:24:18,625 –> 01:24:22,065
he is supposed to be protecting and whose rights he is supposed to be

1318
01:24:22,065 –> 01:24:25,050
vindicating rather than, doing his

1319
01:24:31,130 –> 01:24:34,875
incompetency crisis. Why are we in it? Because our moral

1320
01:24:35,575 –> 01:24:39,415
structure as a society has collapsed. Not crumbled. It’s

1321
01:24:39,415 –> 01:24:43,190
not crumbling. It collapsed. Okay? You make

1322
01:24:43,190 –> 01:24:46,630
a commitment. You have no idea if anyone will see it through. Okay? It doesn’t

1323
01:24:46,630 –> 01:24:50,070
matter if it’s marriage. It doesn’t matter if it’s, you know, economic. I have a

1324
01:24:50,070 –> 01:24:53,855
family member who, lost his job recently and who was saying,

1325
01:24:53,855 –> 01:24:56,494
you know, originally, they told me, oh, you have this contract. It’s for a year.

1326
01:24:56,494 –> 01:24:59,474
And then they told me, oh, well, we we made a mistake,

1327
01:25:00,420 –> 01:25:03,940
so you’re down at the end of the month. And I said to myself, I’m

1328
01:25:03,940 –> 01:25:07,700
I’m an attorney, and I draft contracts, and I’ve advised

1329
01:25:07,700 –> 01:25:11,245
people on how to I’ve advised employers on how to lay people off blah blah

1330
01:25:11,245 –> 01:25:14,845
blah. That just doesn’t sound right as soon as I hear it.

1331
01:25:15,005 –> 01:25:18,640
It’s because if you have a contract, you have a enforceable commitment. It’s

1332
01:25:18,640 –> 01:25:22,400
enforceable in court. Okay? That’s the function of it. I will do

1333
01:25:22,400 –> 01:25:26,125
this in exchange for that. We sign, and then we’re held to what we agreed

1334
01:25:26,125 –> 01:25:29,805
to. Right? Well, that’s not happening. You

1335
01:25:29,805 –> 01:25:33,460
know? So he’s made to just go find other work. To me that

1336
01:25:33,460 –> 01:25:36,760
smacks of incompetence. But to me that smacks of incompetency.

1337
01:25:37,620 –> 01:25:41,375
That smacks of being incompetent at a moral

1338
01:25:41,595 –> 01:25:45,355
level. Yeah. But I’m I’m right. So

1339
01:25:45,355 –> 01:25:49,060
if it’s on a moral level, I would just

1340
01:25:49,200 –> 01:25:52,960
relabel it and I would just say, you know, this is the

1341
01:25:52,960 –> 01:25:56,560
antithesis of loving your neighbor. Okay? Right. What is justice

1342
01:25:56,560 –> 01:26:00,165
loving your neighbor? What happened to him? He’s not loving your neighbor.

1343
01:26:00,305 –> 01:26:03,825
Okay? How do we get out of an

1344
01:26:03,825 –> 01:26:07,610
incompetency crisis? You gotta love your neighbor. And, yes, that sounds

1345
01:26:07,610 –> 01:26:11,389
corny. It is certainly basic. It works.

1346
01:26:11,690 –> 01:26:15,475
Okay? Because if you wanna see a stable society, and we

1347
01:26:15,475 –> 01:26:18,535
have enough recent stable societies,

1348
01:26:19,075 –> 01:26:22,435
even if we limited ourselves to the United States of America, which I

1349
01:26:22,435 –> 01:26:25,830
don’t, We can find enough

1350
01:26:25,830 –> 01:26:29,210
examples of far more stable societies recently,

1351
01:26:29,750 –> 01:26:33,130
than our own. And when you ask yourself, well, what what characterizes

1352
01:26:33,430 –> 01:26:37,065
those societies? There’s a variety of behaviors, but they all fall

1353
01:26:37,065 –> 01:26:40,745
well under the heading, well, you love your neighbor. So, you know,

1354
01:26:40,745 –> 01:26:44,360
take strangers. And I personally don’t think that even most,

1355
01:26:44,360 –> 01:26:47,880
certainly not you know, I I think it’s very few of these, you know,

1356
01:26:47,880 –> 01:26:51,695
legions of little brown people coming across the border. I

1357
01:26:51,695 –> 01:26:55,295
think most of them are not going to commit other crimes than what I just

1358
01:26:55,295 –> 01:26:58,815
described. To me, that’s pretty straightforward. That’s not why they’re

1359
01:26:58,815 –> 01:27:02,010
sent here. Okay? But,

1360
01:27:03,030 –> 01:27:06,570
how they are received is a measure of the moral

1361
01:27:07,345 –> 01:27:11,105
standing and the more the morality of the society

1362
01:27:11,105 –> 01:27:14,805
that receives them. Do you receive strangers well or do you not? Read Deuteronomy.

1363
01:27:16,070 –> 01:27:19,909
It talks about how to treat strangers. I mean, you don’t even have to

1364
01:27:19,909 –> 01:27:23,750
leave the decologue, okay, which the state of Louisiana is trying to

1365
01:27:23,750 –> 01:27:27,235
return to schoolrooms. Fine. Read it. My issue

1366
01:27:28,015 –> 01:27:31,635
not an issue. I just hope they understand

1367
01:27:33,070 –> 01:27:36,830
that God’s words will bear witness against

1368
01:27:36,830 –> 01:27:40,670
them when they don’t do them, when he shows up to judge

1369
01:27:40,670 –> 01:27:44,315
this nation. That’s what I hope they understand. That’s what

1370
01:27:44,315 –> 01:27:47,915
they’re trying to put. Okay. Great. You’re gonna put it on the

1371
01:27:47,915 –> 01:27:51,630
wall. Awesome. Just remember, you’re bearing

1372
01:27:51,630 –> 01:27:55,230
witness against yourself. You would do better if you

1373
01:27:55,230 –> 01:27:58,805
tried to actually do them, And if you

1374
01:27:58,805 –> 01:28:02,505
did, starting in your homes, you wouldn’t have to put them on the wall.

1375
01:28:03,045 –> 01:28:05,285
If it’s in your hearts, it doesn’t have to be on the wall. It’s on

1376
01:28:05,285 –> 01:28:08,280
the wall because it’s not in your hearts. It’s on the wall because you’re trying

1377
01:28:08,280 –> 01:28:11,639
to get the attention of someone in whose heart it is not. Oh, okay.

1378
01:28:11,639 –> 01:28:15,400
But how did it originally get your attention? Was it because it was on a

1379
01:28:15,400 –> 01:28:18,935
wall, or is it because of the person who taught you, because she

1380
01:28:18,935 –> 01:28:22,395
loved and cared for you, was patient and yet disciplined

1381
01:28:22,455 –> 01:28:24,475
you, and then you learned?

1382
01:28:26,140 –> 01:28:28,560
It’s his kindness that leads us to repentance.

1383
01:28:30,380 –> 01:28:33,360
Not thus

1384
01:28:34,175 –> 01:28:37,535
said the law. That sound like you’re off the list or

1385
01:28:37,535 –> 01:28:39,235
what? Okay.

1386
01:28:42,020 –> 01:28:45,700
Voting harder will not save us. Voting won’t save

1387
01:28:45,700 –> 01:28:48,680
us. Yeah. Remember I talked about community?

1388
01:28:49,220 –> 01:28:52,975
Sure. The thing that is an issue, it’s not

1389
01:28:52,975 –> 01:28:56,655
the 12 to 20% in the middle. It’s community.

1390
01:28:56,655 –> 01:29:00,340
The whole thing is right now in play. And our ability

1391
01:29:00,400 –> 01:29:03,860
to foster, pun intended, to foster

1392
01:29:04,160 –> 01:29:07,460
and nurture and grow and protect, yes.

1393
01:29:07,895 –> 01:29:11,275
But, to to to

1394
01:29:11,335 –> 01:29:14,475
inspire vibrant,

1395
01:29:15,370 –> 01:29:19,130
self sustaining communities. That’s the real challenge of today.

1396
01:29:19,130 –> 01:29:22,730
Because if we get that right, we can sort out the state. If we get

1397
01:29:22,730 –> 01:29:26,425
that wrong, even if the state starts functioning brilliantly

1398
01:29:26,485 –> 01:29:29,945
because they replace the incompetent people with robots. Okay?

1399
01:29:30,805 –> 01:29:34,380
Okay. If community is nonexistent because

1400
01:29:34,380 –> 01:29:38,140
it’s collapsed, we got a problem. Okay? We got a problem. Well, the

1401
01:29:38,140 –> 01:29:41,705
robots the robots won’t be lives on a ranch in Texas and

1402
01:29:41,705 –> 01:29:45,385
produces all his own food and all his own firearms and all his

1403
01:29:45,385 –> 01:29:49,230
own ammunition. Even that person has a problem. What happens

1404
01:29:49,230 –> 01:29:52,610
when your daughter then is bored and wants to go out on Friday night?

1405
01:29:53,310 –> 01:29:56,985
Are you gonna build a disco on your on your ranch too and then, you

1406
01:29:56,985 –> 01:30:00,505
know, invite whom? I don’t know because there who does she have friends like that?

1407
01:30:00,505 –> 01:30:03,865
That whole model doesn’t work. It

1408
01:30:03,865 –> 01:30:07,340
doesn’t work. You need society. You

1409
01:30:07,340 –> 01:30:10,800
need community. You’re part of it. Work

1410
01:30:10,940 –> 01:30:14,415
on fostering one relationship

1411
01:30:14,715 –> 01:30:17,435
at a time, you know, communities. And when you’re in them, I mean, the rules

1412
01:30:17,435 –> 01:30:20,822
are straightforward. It’s literally the second half of the deck log. So

1413
01:30:21,215 –> 01:30:24,749
Literally. Don’t murder your neighbors. Don’t sleep with their

1414
01:30:24,749 –> 01:30:28,282
wives. You made commitments. Good. Keep them. Keep the

1415
01:30:28,282 –> 01:30:31,795
commitments. Okay? But if we but if we’ve lost follow the

1416
01:30:31,795 –> 01:30:35,235
James Brown rule. Do you know the James Brown rule? What’s the James Brown rule?

1417
01:30:35,235 –> 01:30:37,875
Do you know the do you know the James Brown the James Brown number one

1418
01:30:37,875 –> 01:30:41,020
law of capitalism should be the James Brown rule. Okay?

1419
01:30:41,320 –> 01:30:44,840
Quote, the way I like it is the way it

1420
01:30:44,840 –> 01:30:48,655
is. Hey. I got mine. Don’t worry

1421
01:30:48,655 –> 01:30:52,195
about his. Is that not

1422
01:30:52,415 –> 01:30:55,820
the 10th commandment as it were? Or Well, it is these days.

1423
01:30:55,960 –> 01:30:59,720
Yes. And that is the

1424
01:31:00,680 –> 01:31:04,405
and I said this already, and and we got around the corner here. I said

1425
01:31:04,405 –> 01:31:07,545
this already. We have lost that

1426
01:31:07,845 –> 01:31:11,550
Christian assumption that Hamilton and Madison

1427
01:31:11,550 –> 01:31:14,610
and Jay and Jefferson and Washington,

1428
01:31:15,630 –> 01:31:19,295
even going out to people who presidents and

1429
01:31:19,295 –> 01:31:23,055
leaders who were not the founding fathers. Right?

1430
01:31:23,055 –> 01:31:26,575
Mhmm. Even a leader as and he

1431
01:31:26,575 –> 01:31:29,900
wasn’t terrible, but many people in the modern conception

1432
01:31:30,040 –> 01:31:33,260
of of what a leader should be think that he was Andrew Jackson.

1433
01:31:34,815 –> 01:31:38,035
Even that guy from Andrew Jackson to

1434
01:31:38,255 –> 01:31:42,095
Abraham Lincoln to, I would assert it probably the

1435
01:31:42,095 –> 01:31:45,739
wheel started falling off with the wheel started falling

1436
01:31:45,739 –> 01:31:49,100
off of the, off of the, of the moral

1437
01:31:49,100 –> 01:31:51,760
cart with, with Woodrow Wilson.

1438
01:31:52,940 –> 01:31:56,425
But and maybe even Teddy Roosevelt there. I have my questions about

1439
01:31:56,425 –> 01:32:00,185
Teddy, o t r. But, the point is up

1440
01:32:00,185 –> 01:32:03,950
until a certain point in our history, there was

1441
01:32:03,950 –> 01:32:07,630
an assumption about a shared moral order. And the

1442
01:32:07,630 –> 01:32:11,310
constitution was built on top of that set of assumptions. Those assumptions were not

1443
01:32:11,310 –> 01:32:13,425
questioned. They were not deconstructed.

1444
01:32:14,925 –> 01:32:18,364
I fundamentally believe, because I do believe we are at the end of the 4th

1445
01:32:18,364 –> 01:32:21,425
turning. We’ve gone through the period of deconstruction. We’ve gone through

1446
01:32:21,890 –> 01:32:25,330
almost now a 125 years of

1447
01:32:25,330 –> 01:32:29,010
deconstruction. Mhmm. We’ve been in a we haven’t been in

1448
01:32:29,010 –> 01:32:32,745
a competency crisis that has lasted 40 years or 30 years. We’ve

1449
01:32:32,745 –> 01:32:36,205
been in a competency crisis that started a 125

1450
01:32:36,505 –> 01:32:40,030
years ago and now is reaching its peak. It’s reaching

1451
01:32:40,030 –> 01:32:43,710
its, apotheosis. It’s it we were at the

1452
01:32:43,710 –> 01:32:47,090
peak of the incompetency crisis because those robots you talked about,

1453
01:32:47,555 –> 01:32:51,315
the AI that drives those robots isn’t being created, isn’t being programmed

1454
01:32:51,315 –> 01:32:54,915
by competent people. It’s being programmed by ideologues. This is

1455
01:32:54,915 –> 01:32:58,590
what Elon Musk, to bring him up a second time, objects to.

1456
01:32:59,610 –> 01:33:03,265
His object to open AI doesn’t object to them building the AI.

1457
01:33:03,425 –> 01:33:07,105
He objects to the fact that the AI is captured by the woke, as he

1458
01:33:07,105 –> 01:33:08,965
puts it, woke mind virus.

1459
01:33:10,920 –> 01:33:14,760
That’s what he objects to. He wants AI.

1460
01:33:14,760 –> 01:33:18,519
He just wants it built written by built by people. He will never say

1461
01:33:18,519 –> 01:33:21,885
this, but he wants it built by people who have a Christian conception of the

1462
01:33:21,885 –> 01:33:25,645
world. Mhmm. Mhmm. That’s what he wants.

1463
01:33:25,645 –> 01:33:29,380
Richard Dawkins just recently within the last couple of months came out and

1464
01:33:29,380 –> 01:33:32,040
said, you know, I think I’m a cultural Christian.

1465
01:33:35,415 –> 01:33:39,255
Okay, Richard. Alright then. That’s that’s

1466
01:33:39,255 –> 01:33:42,960
fine. That’s fine. You you I remember I remember as the kids say

1467
01:33:42,960 –> 01:33:46,560
these days, I have the receipts. I have the receipts on you, Richard, from 25

1468
01:33:46,560 –> 01:33:50,355
years ago when you wouldn’t debate Doug Wilson. And by

1469
01:33:50,355 –> 01:33:54,195
the way, your buddy Christopher Hitchens went and did debate

1470
01:33:54,195 –> 01:33:57,655
Doug Wilson and said about Doug Wilson, and I quote,

1471
01:33:58,920 –> 01:34:02,680
that guy is a theologian is the most dangerous Christian I know because he knows

1472
01:34:02,680 –> 01:34:06,140
my arguments better than I know my own arguments, close quote.

1473
01:34:09,375 –> 01:34:13,075
Dawkins wouldn’t even go in the room with a theologian

1474
01:34:13,740 –> 01:34:17,280
of that caliber. So I’m not buying so much

1475
01:34:17,740 –> 01:34:21,100
that he’s a Christian. I’m buying more so

1476
01:34:21,100 –> 01:34:24,675
that he looks around at what’s happening in England and in Europe and may

1477
01:34:24,675 –> 01:34:28,434
at some point rise on the shores of America

1478
01:34:28,434 –> 01:34:32,240
and goes, I don’t want the Islamic fundamentalists to keelhaul me.

1479
01:34:33,980 –> 01:34:36,240
That’s why he’s betting on Christianity.

1480
01:34:39,895 –> 01:34:43,575
Mhmm. Yep. Voting harder will

1481
01:34:43,575 –> 01:34:47,300
not save us. There are people who appeal to

1482
01:34:47,300 –> 01:34:50,820
want to appeal to the constitution. And you you you said the

1483
01:34:50,820 –> 01:34:54,340
constitution is still robust. It’s still a robust document. It still

1484
01:34:54,340 –> 01:34:54,840
works.

1485
01:34:58,114 –> 01:35:01,875
Yep. Is the Constitution this is this is sort of our

1486
01:35:01,875 –> 01:35:05,014
last question. Is is is looking at the Constitution

1487
01:35:05,560 –> 01:35:09,400
more critically or even just using it the way it’s supposed

1488
01:35:09,400 –> 01:35:12,760
to be used and really hewing to that, is that the

1489
01:35:12,760 –> 01:35:15,715
last ball work

1490
01:35:16,175 –> 01:35:19,715
against incompetency? Is that the last savior,

1491
01:35:21,135 –> 01:35:24,640
such as it were small s of the American Republic? And

1492
01:35:24,640 –> 01:35:28,420
if that goes, is it done? Oh,

1493
01:35:29,040 –> 01:35:31,780
thank god. No. No. The last bulwark is truth.

1494
01:35:32,545 –> 01:35:36,005
And, it’s it’s loss of that

1495
01:35:37,185 –> 01:35:40,705
where all of a sudden you you cut the anchor cords and now we’re just

1496
01:35:40,705 –> 01:35:44,450
drifting. Drifting toward rocks and then anarchy and

1497
01:35:44,450 –> 01:35:48,210
oblivion. Truth. And what’s awesome

1498
01:35:48,210 –> 01:35:51,875
is any individual who decides they want to

1499
01:35:51,875 –> 01:35:54,934
save our society can’t. You just begin in your own life,

1500
01:35:55,474 –> 01:35:59,290
and, literally, you love your neighbor. And you get on your knees

1501
01:35:59,290 –> 01:36:03,130
before God, you recognize that you can’t, that you need his help, and he

1502
01:36:03,130 –> 01:36:06,245
will then intervene and do what he does.

1503
01:36:07,105 –> 01:36:10,785
What is interesting to me is both both great

1504
01:36:10,785 –> 01:36:14,580
presidents, Jefferson and Lincoln, One of them, I think,

1505
01:36:14,580 –> 01:36:18,340
post his presidency and the other in his second inaugural. What

1506
01:36:18,340 –> 01:36:22,040
they were evoking wasn’t a Judeo Christian framework

1507
01:36:22,180 –> 01:36:25,695
of rules about a society. It was the actual presence of an

1508
01:36:25,695 –> 01:36:29,215
actual being who is going to show up for

1509
01:36:29,215 –> 01:36:32,610
judgment. And what’s fascinating is,

1510
01:36:33,810 –> 01:36:37,350
that I think each of them justifiably was afraid.

1511
01:36:37,570 –> 01:36:41,315
And so, anyway, anyone who

1512
01:36:41,315 –> 01:36:44,534
wants to reform our society can begin with him or herself

1513
01:36:44,835 –> 01:36:48,594
and, you know, love your neighbor, keep your commitments, build community where

1514
01:36:48,594 –> 01:36:51,120
you’re at, and wait for,

1515
01:36:54,219 –> 01:36:57,725
wait for governors or to put it

1516
01:36:57,725 –> 01:37:01,405
differently, democrats, small d, vote for people who are gonna take

1517
01:37:01,405 –> 01:37:05,165
that new ethos into government. One of the most important

1518
01:37:05,165 –> 01:37:08,219
calls in our nation’s history was Kennedy’s,

1519
01:37:09,400 –> 01:37:13,159
the uncle of the guy who’s still running for president as

1520
01:37:13,159 –> 01:37:16,545
far as I know and still has no secret service

1521
01:37:16,545 –> 01:37:19,985
protection as far as I know? No. He got that, actually. He talked to Trump

1522
01:37:19,985 –> 01:37:22,700
for 45. No. He he got he got that from he got that. He talked

1523
01:37:22,780 –> 01:37:26,540
to Trump for 45 minutes, and then Trump talked to Biden after the assassination the

1524
01:37:26,540 –> 01:37:30,000
failed assassination. He finally got it? RFK finally got it. Yep. Mhmm.

1525
01:37:30,575 –> 01:37:34,335
Oh, praise God. Because it’s just anyway, but it it was scandalous. End of

1526
01:37:34,335 –> 01:37:37,715
story. It was just it was scandalous. For anyone

1527
01:37:37,775 –> 01:37:41,600
else running with the profile he had, I think it

1528
01:37:41,600 –> 01:37:45,360
would have been scandalous. But certainly for him, who he is, who his father

1529
01:37:45,360 –> 01:37:48,980
was, who his uncle was. Anyway.

1530
01:37:49,265 –> 01:37:52,485
But, JFK’s call

1531
01:37:53,185 –> 01:37:54,885
to a new

1532
01:37:56,719 –> 01:38:00,239
commitment to serving, our

1533
01:38:00,239 –> 01:38:04,080
neighbors by working in government, that’s going

1534
01:38:04,080 –> 01:38:07,485
to be needed at some point because we’re going to need competent

1535
01:38:07,485 –> 01:38:10,765
people who care about the country and not their pension and not money and not

1536
01:38:10,765 –> 01:38:14,580
these things, who are going to do government work, who are going

1537
01:38:14,580 –> 01:38:17,960
to spend adulthoods, who are going to spend

1538
01:38:18,420 –> 01:38:21,320
their most fertile and productive years serving

1539
01:38:21,860 –> 01:38:25,595
us. Okay? And then need to be taken

1540
01:38:25,595 –> 01:38:29,115
care of when they retire the way we we take care of of retirees. This

1541
01:38:29,115 –> 01:38:32,770
is going to be needed because it’s not merely a

1542
01:38:32,770 –> 01:38:36,370
question of new blood. It’s a question of new

1543
01:38:36,370 –> 01:38:40,025
wine and new wine skins. That’s what’s coming. It’s just not there yet. I

1544
01:38:40,025 –> 01:38:43,625
think the foundation of, stable, healthy,

1545
01:38:43,625 –> 01:38:47,370
peaceful communities need to be created first. You know,

1546
01:38:47,370 –> 01:38:51,150
it’s interesting because one of the there’s a crisis,

1547
01:38:51,370 –> 01:38:55,130
as you know, in law enforcement in strange parts of the

1548
01:38:55,130 –> 01:38:58,595
country, not always in the former Confederacy, but strange parts of the

1549
01:38:58,595 –> 01:39:02,355
country, a crisis in law enforcement when it comes to

1550
01:39:02,355 –> 01:39:05,415
black men and us being killed unjustly.

1551
01:39:06,200 –> 01:39:09,720
And so one of the solutions it only takes a

1552
01:39:09,720 –> 01:39:13,080
generation. One of the solutions is, hey. You know, we obviously have zero problem churning

1553
01:39:13,080 –> 01:39:16,905
out all these football players, who do not go to the NFL, who don’t

1554
01:39:16,905 –> 01:39:20,205
become defensive linemen and get paid 1,000,000,

1555
01:39:20,665 –> 01:39:24,440
but they’re still 64300 and run really freaking fast. Well, you need to

1556
01:39:24,440 –> 01:39:28,119
become a policeman, son. You need to become a policeman in your

1557
01:39:28,119 –> 01:39:31,719
community. And then when you see a large

1558
01:39:31,719 –> 01:39:35,115
black man, you know it means safety and security,

1559
01:39:35,115 –> 01:39:38,315
period. Without question. That’s the first idea

1560
01:39:38,795 –> 01:39:42,639
everyone’s mind because you’re the policeman. And,

1561
01:39:42,639 –> 01:39:45,800
of course, this is happening. It’s happening throughout the country anyway. But what I’m talking

1562
01:39:45,800 –> 01:39:48,460
about is a generational commitment like that,

1563
01:39:49,400 –> 01:39:52,425
and it’s a whole new ballgame. It’s a whole new ballgame.

1564
01:39:53,205 –> 01:39:57,045
But it will take sacrifice. Okay? There you cannot build community without sacrifice. It

1565
01:39:57,045 –> 01:40:00,810
doesn’t happen. Just you can’t build a strong marriage without sacrifice. You can’t

1566
01:40:00,810 –> 01:40:04,650
raise your children well without you sacrificing your time, your money, your efforts.

1567
01:40:04,650 –> 01:40:07,725
You cannot build community without sacrifice. But

1568
01:40:09,565 –> 01:40:13,025
we shouldn’t be surprised. I mean, god didn’t build a people

1569
01:40:13,165 –> 01:40:16,920
without sacrifice. He sacrificed his son. So

1570
01:40:17,540 –> 01:40:21,380
he gets it. Build that community. Build

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it where you’re at. One of the advantages of people relocating

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throughout the country over the past, like, 15 years,

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on ideological grounds more than other grounds is that

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you should now find yourself in a community you actually like and care about rather

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than the one you just happen to have been born in with horrible weather, etcetera.

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Build that community. Rebuild that community. Make it strong. Volunteer.

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You know? Help out with Little League, with soccer, with whatever. Get to know your

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neighbors. Have them over just because they’re your neighbors. Be

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kind, do these things. And then

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when the storms come, stand fast.

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And with that May God return the right.

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And with that, I’d like to thank Dorollo Nixon Junior

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for coming on the Leadership Lessons for the Great Books podcast all

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this month. We’re gonna give him the next

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11 months off when history will still be

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happening. And he will come back with more words of

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wisdom or leaders here who are reading the great

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books, including the Federalist Papers and

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others. And, of course,

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with that, well, we’re

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out.