Leadership Lessons From The Great Books – Top Five Science Fiction Films for Leaders w/Tom Libby

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Hello. My name is Jesan Sorrells, and this

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is the leadership lessons from the great books podcast, episode

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number 124.

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With our book today well, actually, we’re not gonna have a

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book today. It’s gonna be one of those sort of jog off into the,

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into the hinterlands or maybe just we’re gonna take a left turn. And it

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kinda goes along with our general theme this month

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of science fiction authors and the leadership

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lessons you can learn from science fiction authors.

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Today, instead of talking about the book we were going to talk about,

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well, which was by Philip k Dick, a collection of short

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stories by him. I have the book that I have here. I’m gonna show it

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here on the video, and you can check that out if you wanna see that

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on the YouTube. It’s a counterfeit, unrealities.

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It’s a collection of about 4 Philip k Dick

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short stories, including, I don’t know, actually, the

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4 that are in here are the 3 stigmata of Palmer Ed Eldrick,

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do Andrew’s dream of electric sheep.

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Let’s see. Ubiq and a scanner darkly. Those

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are the 4 that are in this collection. These stories were

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incredibly difficult for me to find because weirdly enough, you

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can’t find Philip k Dick stories in the

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library as easily as you can find Heinlein or Asimov

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or Ray Bradbury. And we already covered Fahrenheit 451,

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in a previous episode. And, of course, we’ve already covered Dune by Frank Herbert.

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And so today, we were going to cover Philip k Dick’s short stories,

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and I’ll tell the story of how I eventually ran across his short stories here

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in just a moment, but it was a little bit too late for the, for

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the show. So instead, we’re going to talk

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with our special guest today, our regular guest house,

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Tom Libby. I shouldn’t say special because now he’s regular. So he’s not special. He’s

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just Tom. He’s Tom. We’re gonna talk with Tom today about what

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are the leadership lessons we can learn from our top five. We’re

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gonna sort of pull a, we’re gonna pull a a

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movie kind of idea here. What are our top 5 science

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fiction films? So I’d like to

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welcome Tom Libby back to the show. How are you doing, Tom?

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As, as as I’ve recently started saying to people, I’m living

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my best life. I I used to

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when people said how I was doing, I I used to say, I’m living the

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dream, and then wait for them to say something positive and then remind and then

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say, let me just remind you that nightmares are dreams too. But that I’ve been

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using it for so long that it just got old. So now I gotta figure

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out something else to say when somebody says, how you doing? So that’s my that’s

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my new that’s my new one. Living with the best. Living their living people stopped

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living their best life about 10 years ago. They stopped saying that. So you’re I

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mean, you’re about on you’re about on you’re about on trend. Yeah. You’re good. Right

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right there on track with my my my life

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expectancy.

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It’s okay. It’s, it’s fine. Well, we are,

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like I said, we’re gonna cover the short stories of the writer

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Philip k. Deck who was very not a

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and of all the science fiction writers of the mid 20th century,

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Philip k Dick, along with Robert Heinlein, Isaac Asimov, and Ray

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Bradbury sort of sit on the Mount Rushmore of

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science fiction mid with mid 20th century science fiction,

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writers. Bella Kjek’s stories have been turned into

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films. A Scanner Darkly was a film back in the 19

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nineties with, I believe, Keanu Reeves was in A Scanner Darkly.

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Let’s see what else. Do Andrew’s dream of electric

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sheep was turned into the movie or was adapted into the film blade

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runner, which we’re gonna talk a little bit about, today.

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The man in the high castle was turned into an Amazon

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show. If you have never watched that, that one is

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really, really intense and really, really interesting. My wife didn’t even make it through, like,

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the first season of that show. It’s about

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well, the story is about, an alternative

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historical future where the Nazis win World War

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2. It’s just about as horrible as you think it would possibly

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be. Philip k Deck was born in 1928. He died

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in 1982, and he was wildly,

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imaginative. He graduated no. He

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didn’t graduate. He went to and I I love this because I I kinda got

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this at the beginning of the, the beginning of the book,

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or the collection that I picked up. He,

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he, he

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went to the University of Sacramento, I think it was,

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or University of California. Ah, here it is. Yes. He was born in Chicago in

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1928 and lived most of his life in, in California.

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He briefly attended the University of California, but he dropped out before

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completing any classes. In 1952,

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he began writing professionally and proceeded to write 36 novels and 5

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short story collections. He won the Hugo award for the best novel in

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1962 for the man in the high castle and the John w Campbell

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Memorial award for best novel of the year in 1974 for

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and I love the titles by the way of his books. Blow my tears, the

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policeman said. Bill k Dick died of heart

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failure following a stroke on March 2, 1982 in

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Santa Ana, California. Just like Ray Bradbury,

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who didn’t go to college either, he just went to the

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library. Philip k Dick just started writing, and

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he never stopped. So this book

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that I got this collection of his short stories, counterfeit unrealities,

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which has do androids dream of electric sheep.

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I picked up actually not

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yesterday, but a couple days ago at a antique

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book sale, where I was, I was on an anniversary trip with

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my wife. We were celebrating our wedding anniversary. I’m walking around, and

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all of a sudden, I see Philip k Dick, and I go, what’s in

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there? And so I pull it. I open up

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the, I open up the book, and Duane George’s dream of electric sheep is in

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there. And I said to my wife, I’ve been looking for this book at the

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library, and I can’t find it in my local library.

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And I didn’t wanna order it off of Amazon. And guess what? For this

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hardcover edition of counterfeit unrealities with

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the 3 shorts or 4 short stories in it, by Philip k Dick, all of

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which, by the way, come in novella form. Okay? So they’re they’re fairly long.

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They’re fairly substantial, but they are still not exactly novel length.

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But they’re a little bit longer than a short story. I

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paid 35¢.

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That’s better that’s better than my story. I I got a first edition

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hard copy of bury my heart at would it be for a dollar?

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You know, I think Philip would love that, actually. I think he was he was

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a very cranky guy. He would actually probably have not like,

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he’d be like, yeah. That’s about right. That’s that seems about right. That seems

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accurate for all my efforts.

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Yeah. And so I started reading, I have

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started reading, do Android’s dream of electric sheep. Cause I went right to that one.

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Okay. But I’m only, like, 2 chapters in. So, yeah,

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we’re not gonna cover that today. Instead, like I said, we’re gonna talk about

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the top 5 sci fi films and what we can learn from them. I have

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my top five list. I challenged Tom a few hours ago before we press

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press record on this podcast to come up with his top five list.

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And he is, he said he struggled.

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So do you want me to start or do you wanna start? Let well, let

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me just explain why I struggled because here’s the thing. When you’re thinking of movie

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genres, right? You think of I mean, you have comedy.

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Mhmm. You’re expecting it to be funny. You have drama. You’re expecting it

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to be either serious or sad or whatever. You have very few,

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like, variations of what drama is. If you look at if you

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fi is one of the very, very, very few that

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can be you you can call it sci fi, but still be

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funny or dramatic or horror even.

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Like, it it sci fi runs the gamut of what these films

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are designed to be. So when you’re thinking of, like, the top

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5, like like I had said to Hae san before we came on, I was

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like, it depends on the moon I’m in that day. Like, Well, okay.

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You see this with a lot of science fiction films. Like, let’s talk about science

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because we one of the things we’ve been talking about this month is the genre

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in the shorts episodes, the genre of science fiction. Right? And it is

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one of those genres that for a long time because

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of Jules Verne when Jules Verne is the original NHG Wells.

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Those 2 guys, they they set up sort of what sci fi was going to

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be. You can make an argument that Edgar Allan Poe

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maybe, you know, took some some shots at that. But he

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wasn’t able to you don’t get a full understanding of

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science fiction without industrialization. And Jules Verne and

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HG Wells were writers, who were right on the edge of industrialization.

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Not on the edge, but they were right in the middle of industrialization. Like, the

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the the world was turning over from agriculture to industrialization.

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And so you get the idea that you can go to the moon from, I

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think it was from Jules Verne. Or no. That was HG Wells. And then, like,

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20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, that’s Jules Verne. You know, you get you get these

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kind of ideas where, like, now these g wiz technologies are showing

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up. We can do all this fantastical stuff. Right? Okay.

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But for so long, an entire genre was mired in just being

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kids stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Like, for the early part of 20th

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century, nobody took science fiction seriously, arguably

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until Ray Bradbury. Like, Ray Bradbury elevated science fiction,

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and Isaac Asimov actually elevated science fiction to this level of,

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like, high literature where, like, moms could read it in Reader’s Digest

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and not feel like they were, you know, reading comic

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books. And that’s the other thing. Like, sci fi and comic books also, like, which

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I wanna talk about this for a little bit, but they all sort of crossed

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over. Right? Yeah. Because That’s what I’m saying. Like, you think of think of Mary

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Shelley. Right? Like so we think of Frankenstein as a horror movie

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Right. Or a horror genre, but it’s essentially

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sci fi. Think about, like It is. How the whole monster comes together. It’s

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like it’s to your point, the industrialization of the of the of

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the, inner spirit, so to speak, that the horror was trying to invoke in the

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in the the monster and and but I don’t know. Well, I

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I Again, it it’s one of the few genres that cover a lot. It runs

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a very wide berth of what the what your expectation of the

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movie. The emotion that the movie invokes is very wide

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wide spectrum versus every other genre. You know what you’re getting

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into. It’s a comedy. It’s supposed to be make you funny. If it’s a, you

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know, a documentary, it’s supposed to be educational. Like, there’s just like you have expectation

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very clear expectations of most other genres. Sci fi,

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you don’t. Like Right. You have no idea what you’re getting into. No idea what

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you’re getting into. And and and the reference I made earlier, it was, like,

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you got something like Spaceballs and Starship

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Troopers and Galaxy Quest, and then you got

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Terminator and Aliens and Prometheus. Like, it’s a doll

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struggled I did struggle to not put Starship Troopers on my list for top 5.

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I do love that movie because it’s it’s bay one will based off of a

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Heinlein book. Yeah. It is so

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bitterly cynical. Like, the movie toned down so many things. Like, the part of

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her home and directed film turn tone down so many things in that story, but

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it’s so bitterly cynical about just, like,

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everything. Like, high but Highland was known for that. He was known for just sort

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of having a problem, let’s

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say. Let me be kind. Already. Yeah. With well, yes, with

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everyone. Yeah.

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Like he even had a problem with, I mean, it’s not a problem. He

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had challenges with how other science fiction writers were

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writing science fiction. You know, like how Edgar Allen Poe would write letter would

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remember when we were reading, fall of the house of Usher, and I was reading

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some of the background on Poe, and he would, like, write he would rip on,

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like, Melville or whoever. You know, like, this guy sucks.

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I only was that kind of guy. Yeah.

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Oh, okay. So top 5 films.

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Alright. So my personal top 5, and I, again, I struggled with

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this because I do like just like you, I like so many we like we

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both like films. We both like so many films. So many things can go into

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to your point, can go into that science fiction box.

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But if you’re gonna for me, if I’m gonna suss out 5

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films, my number 5 film is gonna be the day the earth stood

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still from 1951. I like that one.

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And the reason I picked that number 5 and not something

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else is because not not like Godzilla or something.

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It’s because well, because it goes along with all of

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that whole, like, 19 post 19 fifties paranoia or post World War 2

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paranoia, not only about,

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the communists and the red scare and all that stuff is obvious in the

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film, but it also has the underpinnings of

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all the paranoia about nuclear weapons. Like, we don’t we didn’t really know what we

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had unleashed in the west, and we sort of just went.

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Okay. We’ll we’ll sort of see how this works. Kinda like Figure it out. Feel

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like yeah. Kinda like we’re doing with AI right now. We’ll just what the hell?

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Just let it out of the box. It’ll be fine. It’ll be fine. We’ll see

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where it goes. Yeah. Let’s see how it goes. We’ll be we’re gonna beta test

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this. That’s that’s the worst thing that can happen. We let, you know, our 5

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year olds today’s 5 year olds will figure it out 20 years from now. Whatever.

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Yeah. It’ll be fine. They’ll be blaming us, but, we’ll be dead, so it won’t

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matter. Exactly.

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And the other thing, the day that you’re interested still really does, I think, well

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as a film, is that it crosses over

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genre wise from radio, which war of the world, by the

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way. H I mean, please, crosses over from

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radio to, like, movies, and it and

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it’s one of those films that it and this is interesting

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back in the 19 fifties and the 19 19 forties, 19 fifties, you had the

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height of of gold the golden age of radio. Basically, radio shows that were

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just, like, movie productions. Like, people forget

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that. Like, how much effort went into radio shows. Like, we think that,

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like, true crime podcasts, like, a lot of effort goes into that.

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Uh-uh. No. No. No. No. No. Like, they had sound guys.

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They had audiences. They had special effects. They had the whole thing. They

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were they were audio film. Entire orchestras?

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Right. Like, I I love old time radio shows. And The Day of the Earth

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Stood Still is one of those movies

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that sort of chunks over into,

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into that other spot. So that was my number 5.

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That’s a good choice. I actually like that choice. I I think that that’s a

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that’s actually a really good one. I I have a I have a hard time.

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If you see, I I so go back to my original problem with this

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whole thing is because if you’re thinking of I think sci

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fi in the fifties sixties was just night and day

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different. Right? Like, it was just the the way that the way that the

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film, directors and and the those the

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I mean, for crying out loud, Godzilla was a man in a suit stomping on

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models. Like and then you watch Godzilla

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versus Khan today or something like that. And you’re talking about middle earth. They’re

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creating entire universes underneath in between the mantle of the earth and the

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crust. Like, it’s like I watched that the other day with my wife. I was

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laying in bed in in a hotel, and I was watching it. And my wife

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walks in and she goes or walks back. She goes, what the hell are you

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watching? What is this nonsense? Why are you watching

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Godzilla? This is ridiculous. And then she sat down and watched it for 45

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minutes with me. You know, like, yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Because because it’s not ridiculous.

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Godzilla is fantastic. And and Godzilla versus King Kong.

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And the fact that Godzilla wins that battle, I mean, I don’t are we gonna

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talk about the movies at all? Because Oh, yeah. We can talk about the movies.

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Yeah. Go on. There is no way Godzilla wins that. I know Godzilla is supposed

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to be a little bit bigger and, you know, physic. The

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mental capacity of the gorilla is supposed to be more powerful

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than the physical capacity of the lizard. Look. Look. Look. Look. Look. Look. Look. Look.

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Look. Look. Look. Wins that fight. The lizard’s mouth

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opens and blue light comes out.

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The blue light is the equalizer. I don’t know what’s in that blue light. I

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had no idea by the time I showed up in the movie. Like, that had

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already started. King Kong was, like, flopping

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around in right the middle of the Earth. I’m like, what the hell? He’s

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in the center of the Earth, and there’s mountains coming. What is happening here?

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It was very psychedelic. It was very trippy.

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No. But I think I think I don’t know. It’s it’s

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reptiles okay. Look. We live in a post Jurassic Park

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world now. Yes. The monkeys eat the primates.

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Or not the monkeys. Sorry. The the good the the lizards eat the

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primates. That’s what they do. Well, in Jurassic

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Park, the lizards are a 100 times the size of the primates, so I get

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it. But King Kong, anyway. The tyrannosaur okay. Look. If you blew up

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Chris Pratt in Jurassic World to the size of the tyrannosaurus

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rex, he would win that fight. I don’t think so. I think the geneticist rex

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would eat him. I’m taking I’m taking the t rex all day and twice a

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few minutes on that. He’s got sharp teeth. Like, when he

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bites his his bite pressure alone. It’s just forget

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it. The primate’s done. The primate’s soft and squishy. I think he’s

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there. Maybe he’s muscular maybe or whatever. But Maybe.

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I think know maybe. Think about think about it this way.

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A gorilla in real life now real life, a gorilla supposedly

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is approximately 10 times stronger than a human than the average human

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man. Oh, yeah. Mhmm. So now you take a 300 foot

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gorilla. I don’t know. I’m thinking Have you

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ever have you ever have you ever seen 2 jujitsu white

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belts fight over anything? Yes.

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That was what it was. Okay. I I get it. I get

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it. So so brute strength beats intelligence when you don’t have

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enough intelligence to I get it. Alright. Fine. Fine. We can

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move on. I’m just

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saying I’m just saying the reptile has a blue light that goes out of his

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mouth, and he’s got sharp teeth. That’s an equalizer. That’s all I’m saying.

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The the second one was better. I I thought I actually like the one did

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you see the most recent one where, the Godzilla and King

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Kong team up to beat this, like, other species of

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gorilla that, I guess, Kong, you gotta see the newest one. You gotta see

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Well, I gotta see this? Wait. Wait. Wait. There’s more monkeys? Where do they come

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from? There’s a lot more there’s a lot more monkeys. They actually look more,

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chimpanzee like than gorilla. Like, Godzilla looks clearly gorilla.

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They look more chimpanzee like, in in the in the film. So

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Oh, dude. Wait till I get wait till I get to my number 2 movie.

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We’re gonna talk about apes. Yes. We are. Oh, you’re not gonna talk about planet

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of the apes. Right? The the the please tell me you’re talking

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about the original and not the new rise of the apes

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garbage.

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Alright. What’s number 4? Let’s let’s see. What’s your number 5? What’s your

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5th what’s your 5th what’s your yeah. Top 5 films, what would be

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number 5? I I again, I I think I

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think for me, I I I bounce around a lot. Like, I I I will

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as much as I was joking about it, I actually do really, really

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love the old school Godzilla movies. I I like the old real the

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older ones, the, you know, the dubbed English and, like, you know, and

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With the Japanese people screaming. Yeah. And and, like and and when

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you watch it as a kid, it’s like every other film is Godzilla being a

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good guy and then a bad guy and then a good guy and then a

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bad guy. Like, he’s either here he’s here to save the human race in one

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film, and he’s here to destroy and and just live his best life in another

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film. Like, it’s and then, like so, you know, and then you got

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you have all these, like you know, the it was like the original I look

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at it as like the original version of Pokemon. Right? Like, so,

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Godzilla, I choose you. You’re gonna go, you know, fight

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King King Ghidorah. You know, like King King Ghidorah or you know? And

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Mothra was Godzilla’s love interest, which don’t even get me

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started. That was just very great. Can. Even But I don’t know what’s happening.

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If I take that collection of films, that would probably be my number 5. I

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don’t think I could pick just 1, but the Godzilla of

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the 60 like, fifties sixties Mhmm. I think I just think it was

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amazing. And as a child now when I watch it today, I’m

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like, this kind this is kind of a joke. Like, this is really This is

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not a joke. But as a kid, not knowing that that was

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a man in a suit stomping on models Right.

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It fascinated me. I don’t I I can’t I don’t even know how to I

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don’t even know how else to say it. It was just like

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I’m envisioning, like, oh my god. I’m never killing another lizard ever in

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my life because that could be Godzilla next time. So wait. Wait. Wait. You were

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probably a really big fan of, like, the Ray Harryhausen,

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like, little models, like, the way he did the stop motion models in the Ray

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the Ray Harryhausen movies, like, back in the day? Yes. Yes. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay.

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Okay. Okay. Yeah. Like, Jason and the Argonauts, which is not

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necessarily sci fi, but Right. The technology

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that he used to put all that together, that guy was brilliant, by the way.

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He knew Ray Bradbury, by the way. They were they were good friends.

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They they met each other when like Ray Bradbury was a kid or something like

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that anyway. But you were probably a good, a big fan of that

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stop motion, that stop motion photography kind of. Yes.

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Okay. All right. All right. I like the I don’t know

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what leadership lessons you can get from King Kong, though, other than, like, get the

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hell out of the way of the month. Well, I mean, I okay. So you

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bigger than you. Yeah. I mean, you know, like I said I mean, the original

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if you look at the original King Kong, I mean, that was, you know, was

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that Faye Dunaway or something like that that was that was up there in the

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building with him and then Faye Dunaway. Faye Dunaway. Thank you. Thank you.

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Like Faye Dunaway. Yeah. Dunaway was different than that’s, like, Nate said, that’s

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network. She would have never stooped to be

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Oh, love. Next to a monkey. It wouldn’t happen. To our

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standards. Yeah. I mean, the original like, even the original King Kong,

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so if you if you like, it it took a long time for King Kong

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and Godzilla to be in the same movie. Like, if you remember, like, you know,

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Godzilla was around for a lot longer, and and they and and and

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King Kong was, like, in essence, it

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was an Americanized version of Godzilla. Right? Because America

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looked at what what the success over in Japan was with this

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Godzilla thing. And and by the way, a lot of the the story lines and

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and essence of Godzilla came from, like, be ready, you

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know, prepare yourself for this people, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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Like Yeah. The idea that radiation

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was distorting animals and making animals look a little

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that’s what, like, people kinda came up with this idea. Now

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the the folklore behind a Godzilla

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like thing is much older than that. I agree with that. So don’t don’t beat

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me up on the comments here if there’s comments on the show about Godzilla being

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much older than 1942 or 44 rather. But,

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but the idea of Godzilla shooting fire, you know, radiation breath

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and all that stuff, that came that did come after after World War 2. But

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the so America saw all this and we’re like, oh, we can do this.

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Let’s let’s what’s a more noble animal that we can

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use instead of, like, a chameleon or or or,

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you know, or iguana or whatever whatever they thought Godzilla was? I don’t even

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know. I don’t even know what he was supposed to have morphed from, but but

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America was like, oh, well, gorillas are probably one of the more intelligent animals

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on the planet. Let’s use that. And let let’s let’s blow up a gorilla and

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see what happens. Let’s see what we can do with that. And then some brilliant

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person said, let’s put them in the same movie.

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Well, King Kong’s okay. The first King Kong came out in, like, I think the

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thirties, if I remember correctly. Yeah. The twenties or

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thirties. And it was, you know, a one off

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whatever. It was a one off sort of phenomenon. Right? Right. Right.

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And then you’re right. You get World War 2. A whole bunch of other things

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happen, and some genius goes, hey. We should put these together. We should put and

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then by the way, that person should be should have been, like, I don’t know,

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given control of, like, a studio or something. Like, that person was was

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brilliant. To your

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point about Godzilla

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not as much as King Kong, but Godzilla representing the anxiety

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of or the anxieties of, you

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know, nuclear destruction, particularly

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nuclear destruction as it happened to the Japanese. Right?

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I agree with that. I think that we’ve got

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well, the the the height of, like, managerial

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scientist scientism, you know, being able to,

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like, build something at mass is destructive. The height of that was the atomic bomb.

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Like, that was the height of that. The height of being able to build somebody

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that was positive was the probably the Apollo the Apollo

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moon mission, right, or the moon missions.

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And then after that, it’s just been long decline, which is why, by the way,

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most of those movies in the early part of 21st century

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have become so stylized, and yet the plots

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are mostly just like, there’s no tension underneath

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the plot. You’re just there for the monkey and the monkey and the lizard fighting.

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Like, that’s literally all you’re there for. Same same thing with transformers. The same

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thing. You will. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Alright. Well, Michael Bay would like to

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enter the chat. Michael Bay can enter the chat all he

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00:26:13.085 –> 00:26:16.780
wants. I’d I’d I’d fight him on it. Yeah. Optimus Prime

424
00:26:16.780 –> 00:26:19.600
is nothing but is nothing but a more intelligent Godzilla.

425
00:26:21.580 –> 00:26:25.340
I’m kidding. I’m kidding. I’m kidding. He’s a mecca. You get it right, Tom.

426
00:26:25.340 –> 00:26:28.995
Mecha. That’s right. Alright. Okay. Well,

427
00:26:28.995 –> 00:26:31.655
my number 4 film is a little bit more of an intellectual,

428
00:26:32.835 –> 00:26:36.435
science fiction film. And it is one

429
00:26:36.435 –> 00:26:39.875
from the, the director Stanley Kubrick, who is a

430
00:26:39.875 –> 00:26:43.620
director I have long since struggled with long time struggle with

431
00:26:43.700 –> 00:26:47.480
with him, and I’ll get into why in a minute here. But doctor Strangelove.

432
00:26:47.700 –> 00:26:50.440
Oh, I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb.

433
00:26:52.020 –> 00:26:55.700
Peter Sellers is in this movie. He plays 5 different roles,

434
00:26:55.700 –> 00:26:59.275
including, the role of doctor Strangelove, the ex

435
00:26:59.275 –> 00:27:03.034
Nazi who’s in the wheelchair who keeps doing the sick high. Oh, and, like,

436
00:27:03.034 –> 00:27:06.794
put his arm down. George

437
00:27:06.794 –> 00:27:10.490
c Scott was in the movie, as a crazy,

438
00:27:11.190 –> 00:27:14.710
you know, what do you call it? American

439
00:27:14.710 –> 00:27:18.550
general, you know, in the war room. You know, the Russians

440
00:27:18.550 –> 00:27:21.510
are gonna launch the nukes. Oh, by the way, Peterson was also pleased the president

441
00:27:21.510 –> 00:27:25.125
of the United States. It’s sometimes in the same

442
00:27:25.125 –> 00:27:27.784
scenes. It’s it’s kind of it’s kind of ridiculous.

443
00:27:29.205 –> 00:27:32.485
I can’t remember who the guy is who plays the general. I can’t remember his

444
00:27:32.485 –> 00:27:35.125
name. I’ll I’ll look it up here in a minute. But you got the general

445
00:27:35.125 –> 00:27:38.585
who goes on and on about fluoride and, like, the water,

446
00:27:38.929 –> 00:27:42.770
And then he’s got the British, general working with him, also played by

447
00:27:42.770 –> 00:27:45.910
Peter Sellers, trying to stop the bomb from being dropped.

448
00:27:47.809 –> 00:27:51.030
And it’s it’s so absurd

449
00:27:52.695 –> 00:27:56.375
as a science fiction movie. Oh, by the way,

450
00:27:56.375 –> 00:27:59.195
the great James Earl Jones is in

451
00:28:00.215 –> 00:28:03.995
recently deceased. James Earl Jones is in doctor Strangelove

452
00:28:04.429 –> 00:28:08.030
as a as the, he’s a not

453
00:28:08.030 –> 00:28:11.650
c 130, the b 17, the b 17 pilot

454
00:28:12.270 –> 00:28:15.650
who’s piloting the the plane that drops the bombs on,

455
00:28:16.190 –> 00:28:19.915
Russia to start the nuclear war in order to

456
00:28:19.915 –> 00:28:22.895
begin again the with the World War 3 nuclear destruction.

457
00:28:25.115 –> 00:28:28.794
It’s satire to Tom’s point. It is it’s science fiction. It

458
00:28:28.794 –> 00:28:31.294
operates as satire. It operates as

459
00:28:32.560 –> 00:28:36.340
a screed against the military industrial complex.

460
00:28:37.200 –> 00:28:40.020
It was released in 1964, which was

461
00:28:40.880 –> 00:28:44.560
the the year after Kennedy got shot. And so people are

462
00:28:44.560 –> 00:28:48.065
still traumatized by the death of hope,

463
00:28:48.284 –> 00:28:51.804
and you can feel, like, the entire zeitgeist, like, sort of

464
00:28:51.804 –> 00:28:55.265
shifting over civil rights, which before

465
00:28:55.405 –> 00:28:59.085
was really just sort of a 10 year long sort of slow brewing thing is

466
00:28:59.085 –> 00:29:02.890
about to really kick off. Tensions with the Russians are

467
00:29:02.890 –> 00:29:06.650
up because, you know, Nikita Khrushchev had just a couple

468
00:29:06.650 –> 00:29:10.430
years before, you know, he’ll pulled off his shoe at the UN

469
00:29:10.570 –> 00:29:14.010
and banged banged on the podium and said, we will bury

470
00:29:14.010 –> 00:29:17.855
you. And you might not have been wrong. You know,

471
00:29:17.855 –> 00:29:21.535
and put his shoe back on. You’d had the Cuban missile crisis, and

472
00:29:21.535 –> 00:29:24.575
Kennedy had sort of fumbled his way through that. I’m not willing to give that

473
00:29:24.575 –> 00:29:27.135
to Kennedy as a win. And by the way, you people can come for me

474
00:29:27.135 –> 00:29:29.934
on that. I’m not willing to give that to Kennedy as a win. I think

475
00:29:29.934 –> 00:29:32.860
I think there were a lot of other smarter older people who surrounded him who

476
00:29:32.860 –> 00:29:36.300
were like, dude, just don’t. Here’s what you do. And he had the wisdom by

477
00:29:36.300 –> 00:29:39.980
the way, even at his young age in his thirties to actually listen to

478
00:29:39.980 –> 00:29:43.544
people who were older than him. And doctor

479
00:29:43.544 –> 00:29:47.065
Strangelove came out at a time when geopolitically, no one had

480
00:29:47.065 –> 00:29:50.585
yet heard to the degree they were going to hear in

481
00:29:50.585 –> 00:29:54.345
subsequent years. No one had heard of Vietnam. No

482
00:29:54.345 –> 00:29:57.460
one. We had soldiers in Vietnam. We were fighting a war in Vietnam, but no

483
00:29:57.460 –> 00:29:59.080
one had heard of Vietnam in 64.

484
00:30:01.460 –> 00:30:05.220
No one. No one knew people were dying there. You know? And people

485
00:30:05.220 –> 00:30:09.059
have been dying there since 57. No

486
00:30:09.059 –> 00:30:12.805
one knew. And so

487
00:30:13.985 –> 00:30:17.585
all those dynamics come together in doctor Strangelove. And to

488
00:30:17.585 –> 00:30:20.965
me, what makes it a great science fiction film is

489
00:30:21.825 –> 00:30:25.559
the technological elements. So the, the

490
00:30:25.559 –> 00:30:29.260
B 17, the interior of the B 17 was so accurately

491
00:30:29.320 –> 00:30:33.080
created that apparently the defense department wanted to have

492
00:30:33.080 –> 00:30:36.520
a chat with Stanley Kubrick about how he got all that information about the Elvis

493
00:30:36.520 –> 00:30:37.100
and everything.

494
00:30:40.360 –> 00:30:44.035
So I’m a big fan of doctor Strangelove or the subtitle,

495
00:30:44.035 –> 00:30:47.175
how I learned how I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb.

496
00:30:52.435 –> 00:30:55.850
So what what you know, one thing we didn’t talk about in the last two

497
00:30:55.850 –> 00:30:59.610
films of well, the the last segment of the conversation we’re talking about

498
00:30:59.610 –> 00:31:02.890
is the lessons that we’re supposed to learn from are we supposed to talk about

499
00:31:02.890 –> 00:31:05.690
lessons about these films too, or are we just gonna talk about the films? Yeah.

500
00:31:05.690 –> 00:31:08.010
We can talk about lessons for these films. So I can tell you the lesson

501
00:31:08.010 –> 00:31:09.309
that I learned from doctor Strange

502
00:31:13.235 –> 00:31:16.674
I could I don’t know. Maybe. Yeah. Yes. They do. And yes. They do. Okay.

503
00:31:16.674 –> 00:31:20.434
Somebody’s texting me about something. Anyway, I love being a landlord now.

504
00:31:20.434 –> 00:31:23.014
I’m a landlord, by the way. I’m a landed man.

505
00:31:24.730 –> 00:31:26.269
Oh, man. I’m land. Anyway,

506
00:31:28.409 –> 00:31:31.850
yes. We’re supposed to talk about the lesson. So King Kong, the lesson we can

507
00:31:31.850 –> 00:31:35.529
learn from King Kong and Godzilla or the day the earth stood still is when

508
00:31:35.529 –> 00:31:39.225
things are bigger than you, may wanna question them.

509
00:31:39.684 –> 00:31:43.525
You may wanna run and hide. Sometimes that’s a

510
00:31:43.525 –> 00:31:47.045
good move. Sometimes that’s the move. Run and hide. Run

511
00:31:47.045 –> 00:31:50.580
screaming ahead of them. It’s fine. From

512
00:31:50.580 –> 00:31:54.360
doctor Strangelove, I my god. Like, the lessons are incredible.

513
00:31:54.419 –> 00:31:58.179
I mean, don’t let crazy people take

514
00:31:58.179 –> 00:32:00.840
over your entire military industrial complex.

515
00:32:02.900 –> 00:32:06.315
I mean, when people oh, this one’s real popular in our

516
00:32:06.794 –> 00:32:09.455
time. When people say the adults are in charge

517
00:32:10.794 –> 00:32:14.554
like, hey. So let’s let’s actually make sure they’re actually adults. Yeah.

518
00:32:14.554 –> 00:32:18.254
Right? Because when there’s a great scene in

519
00:32:18.875 –> 00:32:21.615
doctor Strangelove where they’re actually fighting in the war room,

520
00:32:24.030 –> 00:32:27.870
And I can’t remember which character it is, but basically someone’s I think it’s Peter

521
00:32:27.870 –> 00:32:31.710
Sellers as the president. He goes, gentlemen, gentlemen, there should be no fighting in the

522
00:32:31.710 –> 00:32:32.450
war room.

523
00:32:37.015 –> 00:32:40.774
The irony. Right. And it is it’s one of those

524
00:32:40.774 –> 00:32:42.475
films that has become so

525
00:32:44.215 –> 00:32:47.034
among certain people, it has become so

526
00:32:49.700 –> 00:32:52.520
popular, I guess, is the term, right?

527
00:32:54.100 –> 00:32:57.320
That you don’t, you don’t

528
00:32:57.620 –> 00:33:01.160
consider that. Kubrick

529
00:33:01.220 –> 00:33:04.945
was really angry when he put together that movie.

530
00:33:04.945 –> 00:33:08.325
He was angry at the idea of thermonuclear destruction.

531
00:33:09.825 –> 00:33:13.365
He was angry that the United States,

532
00:33:13.745 –> 00:33:17.025
he from his perspective as a as a, what we would call these days, a

533
00:33:17.025 –> 00:33:20.620
progressive liberal, was not, you

534
00:33:20.620 –> 00:33:24.160
know, sort of progressing towards not necessarily

535
00:33:24.380 –> 00:33:27.900
communism, but progressing towards world peace, which is what he

536
00:33:27.900 –> 00:33:31.740
wanted. And, you know, he was part of

537
00:33:31.740 –> 00:33:35.465
the movement that said nuclear disarmament movement that

538
00:33:35.465 –> 00:33:37.965
basically said, you know, if we disarm the Russians, we’ll disarm.

539
00:33:38.904 –> 00:33:42.745
And we were moving towards very much a position of

540
00:33:42.745 –> 00:33:46.264
what’s called MAD, which everybody forgets about that term. But

541
00:33:46.264 –> 00:33:49.720
MAD was an acronym that stood for mutually

542
00:33:49.720 –> 00:33:53.100
assured destruction. Yeah. You know, where

543
00:33:54.120 –> 00:33:57.320
the United States had a certain number of nukes and the Russians had a certain

544
00:33:57.320 –> 00:34:00.700
number of nukes. And as long as there was no third party like China,

545
00:34:01.320 –> 00:34:04.095
that has a certain number of nukes, we were fine. And

546
00:34:05.435 –> 00:34:08.795
that all kind of fell apart in the 19 seventies with with a whole with

547
00:34:08.795 –> 00:34:12.395
with China getting, with China’s long cultural revolution and

548
00:34:12.395 –> 00:34:16.074
then Mao really agitating to get nuclear weapons from the

549
00:34:16.074 –> 00:34:19.450
Soviets, and they gave them to him. And then the United States

550
00:34:19.450 –> 00:34:23.290
pursued detente, and the United States was bogged down in Vietnam, which by the way,

551
00:34:23.290 –> 00:34:27.130
China was involved in some of the aspects of Vietnam, which everybody forgets about that

552
00:34:27.130 –> 00:34:30.350
too. And so internationally,

553
00:34:32.514 –> 00:34:35.975
at a leadership level, there seemed to be

554
00:34:36.435 –> 00:34:39.795
the time of doctor Strangelove in 1964 when this movie was released because it was

555
00:34:39.795 –> 00:34:43.635
shot in 62. It probably edited in 63,

556
00:34:43.635 –> 00:34:47.040
and they released in 64, which means Kubrick came up with the

557
00:34:47.040 –> 00:34:50.580
idea probably in the late 19 fifties, early 19 sixties,

558
00:34:50.800 –> 00:34:53.840
right on the end of the day the earth stood still, that sort of period

559
00:34:53.840 –> 00:34:57.680
of sort of red scare kind of stuff. I

560
00:34:57.680 –> 00:35:01.085
think Kubrick wanted everybody to just sort of be shaken out of their

561
00:35:01.085 –> 00:35:04.924
NUE. I don’t know. It’s

562
00:35:04.924 –> 00:35:07.405
it’s been a while since I’ve seen the movie, so I don’t know what your

563
00:35:07.405 –> 00:35:11.085
thoughts are on it. I don’t know if you’ve ever seen it. But No.

564
00:35:11.085 –> 00:35:13.970
Actually, that one I have not seen. I I’ve heard of it. I’ve heard of

565
00:35:14.010 –> 00:35:17.770
I’ve heard lots of it, but I’ve never I’ve never watched the film. Yeah.

566
00:35:17.770 –> 00:35:21.390
I’m gonna I’m gonna do this. I’m gonna pull it up on IMDB.

567
00:35:22.650 –> 00:35:26.450
Yeah. Here. So my so it’s funny. My numb my number 4 would probably be

568
00:35:26.490 –> 00:35:28.665
and I you’re you’re probably gonna, like

569
00:35:31.145 –> 00:35:34.825
idiocracy. Like, I mean,

570
00:35:34.825 –> 00:35:38.185
how could you not how could you not watch that movie and and feel

571
00:35:38.505 –> 00:35:41.645
like, we talk we talk so much about

572
00:35:41.970 –> 00:35:45.750
about society in general, kids coming up these days,

573
00:35:46.290 –> 00:35:49.990
lack of intelligence, lack of emotional intelligence really more more so.

574
00:35:50.450 –> 00:35:53.970
You know, there’s there’s and then you watch that movie, you go, oh, so

575
00:35:53.970 –> 00:35:57.725
that’s where we’re headed. Like, it’s like, this is all

576
00:35:57.725 –> 00:36:00.665
starting to make sense to me now. Like, the

577
00:36:01.165 –> 00:36:05.005
idea behind, you know, of course, it

578
00:36:05.005 –> 00:36:08.685
wasn’t like, Luke Wilson goes to sleep and he wakes up, like, it’s like was,

579
00:36:08.685 –> 00:36:11.550
like, a 100 years later or a 1000 years later or something? I forget the

580
00:36:11.550 –> 00:36:15.390
number, but, yes, he wakes up, whatever number years later, and he’s literally the

581
00:36:15.390 –> 00:36:18.830
smartest person on the planet. So it’s like the entire plot of of

582
00:36:18.830 –> 00:36:22.370
Futurama. Remember that cartoon? Yes. Exactly.

583
00:36:22.750 –> 00:36:26.474
But life with no robots or whatever. Okay. No cool. No Bender. And

584
00:36:26.474 –> 00:36:29.694
there’s no Bender in this movie. But There’s no Bender. But, like,

585
00:36:30.315 –> 00:36:33.914
you you know, the idea the the thing that I that I found

586
00:36:33.914 –> 00:36:37.275
fascinating about the movie was that this average

587
00:36:37.275 –> 00:36:41.060
intelligence person now being the most the, like, the smartest person on

588
00:36:41.060 –> 00:36:44.580
the planet, like, IQ level wise. And if you watch the

589
00:36:44.580 –> 00:36:48.280
movie, you figure out real quickly that even like,

590
00:36:48.500 –> 00:36:52.260
he still tries to learn from the people around him. So you go back

591
00:36:52.260 –> 00:36:55.795
to the lessons that you’re even if you are the smartest

592
00:36:55.795 –> 00:36:59.235
person in the room, that does not mean that you can’t learn from the people

593
00:36:59.235 –> 00:37:02.275
around you. Just because they’re not as smart as you are, they don’t have as

594
00:37:02.275 –> 00:37:05.715
big of IQ, they don’t have the subject matter matter expertise that you

595
00:37:05.715 –> 00:37:09.380
have, That doesn’t mean you can’t learn something from them. That’s what that movie tells

596
00:37:09.380 –> 00:37:12.660
me. Now if you actually go watch the movie, it is there’s a lot more

597
00:37:12.660 –> 00:37:16.099
to it than it’s just ridiculousness. I’m just telling

598
00:37:16.099 –> 00:37:19.780
you. I’m preparing you for when you watch this movie that you are going

599
00:37:19.780 –> 00:37:23.474
to feel like you’ve lost a couple of brain cells watching this

600
00:37:23.474 –> 00:37:27.175
movie. But I will I will be honest. Just like you’ve never seen doctor Strangelove,

601
00:37:27.234 –> 00:37:30.915
I have never seen Adiocracy. I I think I think you

602
00:37:30.915 –> 00:37:34.355
would you would appreciate where I’m coming from with this movie if you see it.

603
00:37:34.355 –> 00:37:38.010
You’re you’re probably the probably the 7th raised

604
00:37:38.010 –> 00:37:41.610
person in my life that has said to me, you need to go see this

605
00:37:41.610 –> 00:37:44.010
movie, Hasan. You need to you need to have how have you not watched this

606
00:37:44.010 –> 00:37:47.050
movie? And then I I you know, I don’t I don’t know how I haven’t

607
00:37:47.050 –> 00:37:50.570
watched a movie. I just I don’t know. Maybe I need to just knuckle under

608
00:37:50.570 –> 00:37:54.175
and, you know, order it on HBO Max or Amazon or

609
00:37:54.175 –> 00:37:57.775
whatever and just watch it one day. I wonder if part of it is the

610
00:37:57.775 –> 00:38:01.295
fact that you already have this preconceived notion by what people are telling you that

611
00:38:01.295 –> 00:38:05.135
the movie is utterly ridiculous. So you’re you’re you’re not

612
00:38:05.135 –> 00:38:08.900
looking at it from a from a value

613
00:38:09.200 –> 00:38:12.900
from a value add standpoint of I’m gonna spend I’m gonna spend

614
00:38:13.200 –> 00:38:16.960
an hour and a half watching this movie. You’re thinking I’m gonna waste an hour

615
00:38:16.960 –> 00:38:18.500
and a half watching this movie.

616
00:38:21.295 –> 00:38:24.595
Totally different mindset when you when you look at it that way.

617
00:38:25.695 –> 00:38:27.875
And the thing is you’d be right. No. No.

618
00:38:30.415 –> 00:38:34.255
No. I I think like, I I know what the plot is. Right? So

619
00:38:34.255 –> 00:38:37.640
the guy guy falls asleep. He wakes up, and the the whole I think they

620
00:38:37.640 –> 00:38:40.920
they put him in some cryogenic thing or something like that. I don’t think he

621
00:38:40.920 –> 00:38:44.120
I don’t think he literally falls asleep. I think there’s, like, a mechanism that puts

622
00:38:44.120 –> 00:38:47.320
him like, I I think the there’s it’s like this thing where everyone in the

623
00:38:47.320 –> 00:38:51.125
world is supposed to go this cryo jet. Like, the world’s I I

624
00:38:51.125 –> 00:38:54.965
forget the the very beginning of the movie. I remember the whole like,

625
00:38:54.965 –> 00:38:58.345
the the gist of it, and I remember, like, all the there’s some really

626
00:38:58.645 –> 00:39:02.320
some really idiotic things that happened in the middle. But but the,

627
00:39:02.560 –> 00:39:05.839
the beginning of the movie I can’t remember if it’s like, if it’s like the

628
00:39:05.839 –> 00:39:09.599
whole like, something’s detriment to the earth that’s happening that in order

629
00:39:09.599 –> 00:39:13.440
to save the race, they put every they they’re supposed

630
00:39:13.440 –> 00:39:16.565
to put everybody in these cryo chambers or something like that, but he ends up

631
00:39:16.565 –> 00:39:19.924
being the only one that does it. And that thing that

632
00:39:19.924 –> 00:39:23.765
happens didn’t destroy humanity. It basically changes humanity into a bunch

633
00:39:23.765 –> 00:39:27.365
of idiots. And then he wakes up he wakes up as the most

634
00:39:27.365 –> 00:39:31.000
intelligent person on the planet. So I think I confused doctor or not

635
00:39:31.000 –> 00:39:33.500
doctor. Sorry. Idiocracy with

636
00:39:34.440 –> 00:39:37.960
the with judge dread, weirdly enough. The scene in

637
00:39:37.960 –> 00:39:41.400
judge dread where, like Those are very different. The Are you thinking about

638
00:39:41.400 –> 00:39:44.965
demolition man too? Or maybe maybe just demolition man. Right?

639
00:39:44.965 –> 00:39:48.725
Demolition man where Wesley Snipes and and, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And,

640
00:39:48.965 –> 00:39:52.645
Sylvester Stallone going to cryogenics. And then when they come back out, the world is

641
00:39:52.645 –> 00:39:56.485
basically wussified. Right. And there’s been, like, there’s been, like, fast

642
00:39:56.485 –> 00:40:00.180
food wars. That’s what I associate idiotic with. Yeah. Yeah.

643
00:40:00.180 –> 00:40:03.940
Yeah. The Taco Bell won the fast food wars. What? Yeah. Yeah. I think you’re

644
00:40:03.940 –> 00:40:06.360
I think you’re confusing them. No. Idiocracy is

645
00:40:07.380 –> 00:40:11.215
idiocracy is, supposed to be a lot, there’s a lot more

646
00:40:11.215 –> 00:40:14.815
comedy in it than that than Okay. Demolition, man, there was no comedy in that.

647
00:40:14.815 –> 00:40:18.195
That was action that was action sci fi. Not Okay.

648
00:40:18.494 –> 00:40:22.255
Not comedy sci fi, you know, as opposed to horror sci

649
00:40:22.255 –> 00:40:25.769
fi or dramatic sci fi. I don’t know. Here’s we

650
00:40:25.769 –> 00:40:29.609
go. Idiocracy. Okay. Oh, it

651
00:40:29.609 –> 00:40:33.450
was directed by Mike Judge who directed Office Space. I should

652
00:40:33.450 –> 00:40:36.750
be all over this. Okay.

653
00:40:37.494 –> 00:40:40.695
Oh, that makes a lot of sense, actually. I didn’t realize it was the same

654
00:40:40.695 –> 00:40:44.375
director. I didn’t I didn’t I didn’t make that connection. But, yes, that

655
00:40:44.375 –> 00:40:48.055
makes total sense now. I really do like office space. I really do like that

656
00:40:48.055 –> 00:40:51.575
movie. So Same kind same kind of comedy. Same kind of comedy? Okay.

657
00:40:51.575 –> 00:40:55.280
Yeah. Okay. Alright. But yeah. So that’s my number 4. I

658
00:40:55.280 –> 00:40:58.800
I and, again, I don’t I have a hard I told you already. I have

659
00:40:58.800 –> 00:41:02.500
a hard time picking these lists in, like, numeric

660
00:41:02.640 –> 00:41:06.405
order because I don’t know. I could probably think of

661
00:41:06.565 –> 00:41:10.085
3 other movies that are equivalent to Idiocracy in 2

662
00:41:10.085 –> 00:41:13.765
phases. Number 1, the the fact that they’re labeled as sci fi.

663
00:41:13.765 –> 00:41:17.605
Number 2, they have a comet a comedic undertone. And number 3, they’re

664
00:41:17.605 –> 00:41:21.285
just utterly ridiculous. So, like, Idiocracy and Galaxy Quest

665
00:41:21.285 –> 00:41:24.910
and, like, those all those movies are in the same that’s they’re all number

666
00:41:24.910 –> 00:41:28.750
4 to me. That’s all the same movie. Evolution with David Duchovny back in

667
00:41:28.750 –> 00:41:32.430
the day. Exactly. Exactly. Everyone forgets about that movie that he

668
00:41:32.430 –> 00:41:35.650
did. Everyone forgets that he was smack in the middle of him doing X Files.

669
00:41:35.994 –> 00:41:38.655
Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. And then he was like,

670
00:41:39.675 –> 00:41:42.734
let’s not remember that. And then he went back to X Files.

671
00:41:44.555 –> 00:41:48.330
And I liked Galaxy Quest. I did like that movie, a lot of

672
00:41:48.330 –> 00:41:51.930
action. I was pleasantly surprised with that movie. I actually liked it more than I

673
00:41:51.930 –> 00:41:55.690
thought it was going to. I was I felt like I wasn’t supposed to

674
00:41:55.690 –> 00:41:59.370
like it, but I did. Right. It it is definitely one of those

675
00:41:59.370 –> 00:42:03.095
movies that came along in it. Well, it’s kinda like Orville right now,

676
00:42:03.095 –> 00:42:06.714
the television show that Seth MacFarlane has. Right? It’s

677
00:42:06.974 –> 00:42:10.775
it’s sort of one of those, like, once in

678
00:42:10.775 –> 00:42:14.454
a generation, I poke I poke in the eye to star

679
00:42:14.454 –> 00:42:18.080
Trek kind of films. And you can kind of get away with it

680
00:42:18.080 –> 00:42:21.300
because star Trek sort of beloved and is part of the zeitgeist and whatever.

681
00:42:23.920 –> 00:42:27.460
But it also doesn’t make galaxy quest does not make,

682
00:42:28.640 –> 00:42:32.195
assertions that it’s high art or anything like that. Like, they’re not they’re not

683
00:42:32.195 –> 00:42:34.995
doing that. Tim Allen, you’re not hiring Tim Allen for high art. You know what

684
00:42:34.995 –> 00:42:37.655
I mean? For god’s sake, this guy was Santa Claus. Like, let’s be real here.

685
00:42:38.035 –> 00:42:41.655
I mean, Galaxy Quest was to Star Trek is what Spaceballs

686
00:42:41.715 –> 00:42:45.475
was to Star Wars. Yeah. Here they go. Essentially. It’s really

687
00:42:45.475 –> 00:42:49.099
true. K. Alright. Well, speaking

688
00:42:49.099 –> 00:42:52.700
of okay. Speaking of serious science fiction, my number 3

689
00:42:52.700 –> 00:42:56.220
film is, blade runner. I like blade

690
00:42:56.220 –> 00:42:59.995
runner. So I’m going to I’m gonna pull up

691
00:42:59.995 –> 00:43:03.435
Blade Runner here on IMDB because there’s something, I

692
00:43:03.435 –> 00:43:07.115
always try to point out here with Blade Runner, and I always miss

693
00:43:07.115 –> 00:43:10.890
it. By the way, this is the

694
00:43:10.890 –> 00:43:14.430
Blade Runner from 1982. This is the original well, the original.

695
00:43:14.730 –> 00:43:18.270
The Blade Runner with, Rutger Hauer and Harrison

696
00:43:18.329 –> 00:43:21.770
Ford, and, I

697
00:43:21.770 –> 00:43:25.325
love the I love the tears in the rain speech

698
00:43:25.325 –> 00:43:29.165
that Rucker Howard gives, at the end as the, as

699
00:43:29.165 –> 00:43:32.925
the Android, the replicant that’s basically, you know, getting ready to be,

700
00:43:33.244 –> 00:43:37.030
killed. And I was just looking at it the other

701
00:43:37.030 –> 00:43:40.710
day. So I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe. Attack ships on

702
00:43:40.710 –> 00:43:44.470
fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched sea beams glitter in the dark near

703
00:43:44.470 –> 00:43:48.010
the 10 Hauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time,

704
00:43:48.150 –> 00:43:51.965
like tears in the rain, time to die. And

705
00:43:51.965 –> 00:43:54.545
apparently that entire

706
00:43:55.325 –> 00:43:58.545
last speech before he gets, you know, eliminated

707
00:44:00.605 –> 00:44:04.410
was totally ad libbed. So like Harrison Ford’s reaction to him was,

708
00:44:04.410 –> 00:44:07.369
like, that was genuine. He’s like, what? That wasn’t the script. What the hell are

709
00:44:07.369 –> 00:44:11.130
you talking about? Which is, like, the greatest

710
00:44:11.130 –> 00:44:14.970
thing ever. But then, of course, I modify that. Like and and, you

711
00:44:14.970 –> 00:44:17.609
know, I modify it, like, for my kids because my kids have never seen Blade

712
00:44:17.609 –> 00:44:21.345
Runner. Too young. But, like, my younger kids are.

713
00:44:21.345 –> 00:44:24.305
My older ones probably have seen it. Well, my oldest son’s seen it. He’s not

714
00:44:24.305 –> 00:44:28.145
impressed, but, I always modify it by saying I’ve paid taxes

715
00:44:28.145 –> 00:44:29.685
for things you people wouldn’t believe.

716
00:44:35.260 –> 00:44:38.299
And then you just go down the wall. Tax money and my tax money disappears

717
00:44:38.299 –> 00:44:40.240
like tears in the rain. Tears in the rain.

718
00:44:45.819 –> 00:44:48.319
But Blade Runner is one of those movies that,

719
00:44:50.095 –> 00:44:53.775
I do reference a lot in 2024 because I

720
00:44:53.775 –> 00:44:57.475
fundamentally believe and this is where I wanna talk a little about dystopia and utopias

721
00:44:57.615 –> 00:44:58.995
in science fiction. So

722
00:45:01.650 –> 00:45:04.869
I reference this movie because in 2024, I believe we fundamentally

723
00:45:05.250 –> 00:45:09.089
are living the Blade Runner reality. We’re living the Philip k Dick Blade

724
00:45:09.089 –> 00:45:12.849
Runner reality. The only thing we’re missing is

725
00:45:12.849 –> 00:45:16.695
the acid rain from the nuclear fallout. That’s it. That’s the only

726
00:45:16.695 –> 00:45:20.455
thing we’re missing. That’s it. We we have everything else. In in

727
00:45:20.455 –> 00:45:24.215
the death game. Right? Like We can call that

728
00:45:24.215 –> 00:45:27.835
football. We’ve we’ve got everything else. Let’s assume we’ve got everything else.

729
00:45:27.975 –> 00:45:31.690
Okay. Sure. We’ve got we’ve

730
00:45:31.690 –> 00:45:35.210
got mass advertising. That’s stupid. We’ve

731
00:45:35.210 –> 00:45:38.349
got surveillance. We’ve got genetic manipulation.

732
00:45:39.529 –> 00:45:43.065
We’ve got people who are trying to biologically change themselves. We’ve

733
00:45:43.065 –> 00:45:46.825
got AI now. Right? You could make an argument that we didn’t

734
00:45:46.825 –> 00:45:50.585
have the AI, but we’ve got the AI now pretty soon. And it and

735
00:45:50.585 –> 00:45:53.464
this is gonna be, oh, oh, we’ve got the Internet. So we’ve got the the

736
00:45:53.464 –> 00:45:56.910
instant communications off planet, off planet, on planet, whatever.

737
00:45:57.150 –> 00:46:00.369
We’ve already cloned sheep. We did that in the nineties.

738
00:46:01.150 –> 00:46:04.829
And there are people who will say we never stopped cloning animals. We just stopped

739
00:46:04.829 –> 00:46:08.190
talking about it. Right. Yeah. Because it wasn’t

740
00:46:08.190 –> 00:46:11.484
popular. Like, what are we, what are we missing? Oh, and by the way, we

741
00:46:11.484 –> 00:46:15.105
have the dystopia. We have an incompetent government that

742
00:46:15.565 –> 00:46:19.244
has no solutions for how to solve problems other than to get rid of

743
00:46:19.244 –> 00:46:22.545
people, and we’ll give you pleasure and desire

744
00:46:23.250 –> 00:46:27.090
and, distraction in exchange for actually solving problems. What am

745
00:46:27.090 –> 00:46:30.690
I missing? I mean, when you say it like

746
00:46:30.690 –> 00:46:34.450
that Like

747
00:46:34.530 –> 00:46:38.085
Hell, I son. Like, I mean I mean, I think

748
00:46:38.085 –> 00:46:41.625
Philip k. Dick nailed it. I think they’re here. This is the future.

749
00:46:41.685 –> 00:46:45.145
We we got the Blade Runner future we were looking for in 1982.

750
00:46:46.245 –> 00:46:50.085
You know, that that I I I remember, what was it? Somebody told

751
00:46:50.085 –> 00:46:52.540
me something in, in the book 1984,

752
00:46:53.560 –> 00:46:57.240
something like 70 something percent. They they did the math.

753
00:46:57.240 –> 00:47:00.680
I I don’t know how the math plays out. But, I mean,

754
00:47:00.680 –> 00:47:04.520
1984 was written, what, in the thirties? 4

755
00:47:04.680 –> 00:47:08.335
twenties, thirties? Forties. Yeah. In the forties. And they

756
00:47:08.335 –> 00:47:11.795
said by the by by the actual year 1984,

757
00:47:12.494 –> 00:47:15.775
about 2 thirds of what was in that or or 3 fourths of what was

758
00:47:15.775 –> 00:47:19.349
in that book actually came to fruition. So what you’re

759
00:47:19.349 –> 00:47:23.029
talking about from 1982 until now sounds about right. It’s about sounds

760
00:47:23.029 –> 00:47:26.710
about the same. Sounds about the same math. Yeah.

761
00:47:26.710 –> 00:47:29.450
So 1984 was published at June 8, 1949.

762
00:47:30.710 –> 00:47:34.135
49. Okay. So, yeah, so

763
00:47:34.135 –> 00:47:37.894
35 years. Yeah. Like I said, the math works here. Yeah. So so what

764
00:47:37.894 –> 00:47:41.575
you’re saying from 1982. I mean, we’re a little we’re a little we’re a

765
00:47:41.575 –> 00:47:44.535
little late. We’re a little behind on the AI part at least, but, you know,

766
00:47:44.535 –> 00:47:48.380
the rest of it, we’re right on track. Okay. So this and this gets

767
00:47:48.380 –> 00:47:52.140
us to this idea of dystopia. So a good friend of mine makes this

768
00:47:52.140 –> 00:47:55.900
point, and I think it is a is a dynamically interesting point that I

769
00:47:55.900 –> 00:47:59.680
never really thought of it until he mentioned it. And this was years ago.

770
00:48:00.625 –> 00:48:04.085
I was ranting about something. It might have been Blade Runner. And he goes,

771
00:48:05.025 –> 00:48:08.785
it might have been. And he goes, listen. All

772
00:48:08.785 –> 00:48:12.405
dystopias are written from the perspective

773
00:48:12.545 –> 00:48:15.525
of the person and the time that they are in.

774
00:48:16.410 –> 00:48:19.630
Yeah. Because no one knows the future. So it’s just projecting

775
00:48:19.849 –> 00:48:23.230
future anxieties onto a society

776
00:48:23.930 –> 00:48:27.450
that are really current anxieties. So if you go back and look at Phil, okay.

777
00:48:27.450 –> 00:48:30.495
Deck, you look at the short story, do androids dream of electric sheep.

778
00:48:31.455 –> 00:48:34.895
That short story was written. Let me pull up the date

779
00:48:34.895 –> 00:48:38.495
here. Let’s see. It

780
00:48:38.495 –> 00:48:41.155
was written in

781
00:48:43.329 –> 00:48:47.170
1968. Okay? What was what was

782
00:48:47.170 –> 00:48:50.930
going on in 1968? Well, again, it’s kind of the

783
00:48:50.930 –> 00:48:54.050
same things that around that that doctor Strangelove sort of predicted. Right? You see, you

784
00:48:54.050 –> 00:48:57.865
had the communism, you had Vietnam, you

785
00:48:57.865 –> 00:49:01.224
had the threat of nuclear war, you had the

786
00:49:01.224 –> 00:49:04.904
promise of vacations to the moon. We’re the

787
00:49:04.904 –> 00:49:08.744
Jetsons was on TV. We’re all gonna have vacations to the moon and robots. Right?

788
00:49:08.744 –> 00:49:11.545
And so what’s the dark side of all? And Philip k Dick being Philip k

789
00:49:11.545 –> 00:49:14.480
Dick. What’s the dark side of all this? And so he’s gonna, of course, gonna

790
00:49:14.480 –> 00:49:17.280
go in the dark side direction. He’s not gonna be like Isaac Asimov. He’s gonna

791
00:49:17.280 –> 00:49:20.000
be like, oh, there’s 3 rules to dealing with robots. Like, he’s not gonna

792
00:49:21.120 –> 00:49:24.880
or Ray Bradbury, right, where the robots are gonna be kind of hinted

793
00:49:24.880 –> 00:49:27.795
at in the background, but you’re not really gonna sort of bring them to front

794
00:49:27.795 –> 00:49:30.115
because you don’t really need to because there’s all different kinds of ways to do

795
00:49:30.115 –> 00:49:33.575
that. He wasn’t that kind of writer. He was the writer who went right for,

796
00:49:34.755 –> 00:49:37.575
this is the horrible dystopia that I have anxiety about.

797
00:49:38.595 –> 00:49:42.250
And so all dystopias, this is the point that my buddy

798
00:49:42.250 –> 00:49:46.029
made from the blade runner all the way to the hunger games

799
00:49:46.170 –> 00:49:49.849
and divergent and all these others. They’re all

800
00:49:49.849 –> 00:49:53.210
about the now. They’re all about the things that people are

801
00:49:53.210 –> 00:49:56.829
anxious about now. They’re actual projections of the future.

802
00:49:58.705 –> 00:50:01.665
And that was his entire point. He’s like, this is why he and he doesn’t

803
00:50:01.665 –> 00:50:05.025
like he doesn’t like science fiction dystopias. He hates all of them. Because he’s like,

804
00:50:05.025 –> 00:50:08.065
just just make a regular movie about the things going on now that you’re all

805
00:50:08.065 –> 00:50:11.840
anxious about. Just make that movie. I mean, we can all go

806
00:50:11.840 –> 00:50:15.520
home. I don’t need I don’t need the technological clothing sheep thing. I don’t need

807
00:50:15.520 –> 00:50:17.300
that. This is boring.

808
00:50:20.240 –> 00:50:24.075
Just just give me the thing you’re anxious about. Oh, climate change. Fine.

809
00:50:24.075 –> 00:50:27.915
Make a movie about climate change, which we did actually. What

810
00:50:27.915 –> 00:50:31.695
was the name of that ice that movie where the water came in? 2012

811
00:50:32.075 –> 00:50:35.835
was the one’s. Yeah. Oh, 2012 was one day after tomorrow was

812
00:50:35.835 –> 00:50:39.410
another one. Day after tomorrow. There you go. Tomorrow. That was a

813
00:50:39.410 –> 00:50:43.250
fantastic I liked that movie a lot, actually. Yeah. Well, because it was

814
00:50:43.490 –> 00:50:47.329
it wasn’t it wasn’t projecting the day after tomorrow to

815
00:50:47.329 –> 00:50:51.175
be, like, a 100 years from now. Right. With, like, a bunch of

816
00:50:51.175 –> 00:50:53.895
replicants running around. I was like, no. It’s gonna be, like, I don’t know, a

817
00:50:53.895 –> 00:50:57.734
month from now. And and there wasn’t there wasn’t, it

818
00:50:57.734 –> 00:51:01.494
it showed you it showed you most

819
00:51:01.494 –> 00:51:05.115
movies like like that like this like, they they show you what the dystopia

820
00:51:05.255 –> 00:51:09.070
is. Right? Like and then they have to explain how they got there. In The

821
00:51:09.070 –> 00:51:12.610
Day After Tomorrow, it showed you what the disaster was,

822
00:51:13.150 –> 00:51:16.590
not what the actual Day After Tomorrow looked like. That was left up to your

823
00:51:16.590 –> 00:51:20.425
imagination. Right. That that’s part of the that’s why I like

824
00:51:20.425 –> 00:51:24.025
that movie so much. It actually shows you how we get there, why we got

825
00:51:24.025 –> 00:51:27.385
there, and why the world is so different or why the world was going to

826
00:51:27.385 –> 00:51:31.224
be so different, but it never showed you the the the actual

827
00:51:31.224 –> 00:51:33.770
outcome. There was a brief thing at the very end. I don’t know I don’t

828
00:51:33.770 –> 00:51:37.370
know if you’ve seen this movie, right, with Dennis Quaid? Been a while. Yeah. So

829
00:51:37.450 –> 00:51:41.130
and, Jake Gyllenhaal. They they show you at the very end of the movie when

830
00:51:41.130 –> 00:51:44.825
they zoom out from the world, like, that that that that, polar ice

831
00:51:44.825 –> 00:51:48.664
cap now goes from the top of the world all the way down through

832
00:51:48.664 –> 00:51:52.184
3 quarters of the United States. Like and it’s not

833
00:51:52.184 –> 00:51:55.785
livable. Like, you can’t live in, basically so now all the

834
00:51:55.785 –> 00:51:59.350
US citizens have Have to immigrate to Mexico. That’s right. I

835
00:51:59.350 –> 00:52:03.050
remember that. Yeah. These people we all have we we asked Mexico

836
00:52:03.190 –> 00:52:06.810
permission to go live there. That’s right.

837
00:52:07.110 –> 00:52:10.710
But yeah. But that movie like, that’s one of the reasons exactly to what your

838
00:52:10.710 –> 00:52:14.015
friend is talking about, that’s one of the reasons I I absolutely

839
00:52:14.474 –> 00:52:18.155
love that movie is because it it actually gives you everything up

840
00:52:18.155 –> 00:52:21.835
front of what’s going like, all the what happens and what goes

841
00:52:21.835 –> 00:52:25.515
wrong. And all these other movies, like, to your point, blade even blade

842
00:52:25.515 –> 00:52:28.910
runner, it’s after the fact, and they have to explain to you how they got

843
00:52:28.910 –> 00:52:32.109
there. Oh, we had a nuclear war, so now we have acid rain and all

844
00:52:32.109 –> 00:52:35.329
this other stuff, and this is why this happened. But there’s details

845
00:52:35.550 –> 00:52:39.145
behind the back, in the in the storyline of the movie that you have to

846
00:52:39.145 –> 00:52:42.985
figure out and, like, how society ended up getting where they are. In that movie,

847
00:52:42.985 –> 00:52:46.425
in in Day After Tomorrow, which now that you say it, I that might be

848
00:52:46.425 –> 00:52:49.065
my number 1 or 2, by the way. I’m not sure yet, but I’m just

849
00:52:49.065 –> 00:52:52.370
thinking, like, now that I’m saying it out loud, because I didn’t really put them

850
00:52:52.370 –> 00:52:55.990
in sci fi, but it definitely is. It there’s no doubt that it’s sci fi.

851
00:52:56.290 –> 00:52:59.890
Okay. Well, my my number my number 3 would have

852
00:52:59.890 –> 00:53:03.490
been the the the I I’m not gonna pick one of

853
00:53:03.490 –> 00:53:07.110
them because I think there are several in the series that are really good.

854
00:53:07.365 –> 00:53:10.885
Some better than some better than others, of course. But it it was

855
00:53:10.885 –> 00:53:13.785
also before its time was Alien.

856
00:53:14.405 –> 00:53:17.845
1979. 1979, Alien came out with Sigourney

857
00:53:17.845 –> 00:53:21.285
Weaver. Ridley Scott. Yes. Ridley Scott’s

858
00:53:21.285 –> 00:53:24.990
Alien. I watched that so in in 1979, it came out. I

859
00:53:24.990 –> 00:53:28.830
didn’t watch it until probably 10 years after because I thought the second one,

860
00:53:28.830 –> 00:53:32.670
aliens, was actually better than the first one. Yeah. The second one

861
00:53:32.670 –> 00:53:35.790
came out, like, 6 or 8 years later or something like that. It took a

862
00:53:35.790 –> 00:53:39.585
long time to get that second movie. Now there’s I don’t know. There’s 15 of

863
00:53:39.585 –> 00:53:42.225
them in the series, whatever. I I I don’t care how many of them are.

864
00:53:42.225 –> 00:53:45.825
It’s a mess. It’s a mess over there. It’s a terrible thing. Well, because

865
00:53:45.825 –> 00:53:49.365
because they they’re doing all this BS with the the aliens

866
00:53:49.585 –> 00:53:53.020
universe. Right? So now you you have to have 15 movies to have your own

867
00:53:53.020 –> 00:53:56.540
universe in the in the movie genres, like the MCU universe, and

868
00:53:56.540 –> 00:54:00.380
it’s it’s ridiculous. Right? The even even even Godzilla, by the

869
00:54:00.380 –> 00:54:03.825
way. We’re talking about Godzilla a few minutes ago. Now they talk about the the,

870
00:54:03.905 –> 00:54:07.665
the Monarch universe, which Monarch was the Monarch

871
00:54:07.665 –> 00:54:11.365
was the, the US or or the worldwide equivalent of

872
00:54:11.425 –> 00:54:14.885
of some sort of secret agency that was monitoring these

873
00:54:15.025 –> 00:54:18.640
these giant monsters or whatever. Like so Monarch and

874
00:54:18.640 –> 00:54:21.940
there’s actually a series. I forget if it’s on Apple TV or

875
00:54:22.400 –> 00:54:25.440
Hulu or something. But there’s a on one of the streaming services, there’s actually a

876
00:54:25.440 –> 00:54:29.119
series called Monarch Okay. That that that is

877
00:54:29.119 –> 00:54:32.885
actually an extension of the Godzilla movies. But, again so

878
00:54:32.885 –> 00:54:36.565
now everyone has this, like, you can’t just make a movie and walk away

879
00:54:36.565 –> 00:54:40.085
anymore. You have to make a movie and then have a a universe for the

880
00:54:40.085 –> 00:54:43.385
movie to exist in. That’s so anyway but the point is

881
00:54:43.444 –> 00:54:46.905
Alien 1979 started this whole thing

882
00:54:47.340 –> 00:54:50.560
with alien, aliens, alien versus predator.

883
00:54:50.780 –> 00:54:54.460
Prometheus was a part of the aliens universe. Like, a lot of these movies.

884
00:54:54.460 –> 00:54:57.900
So I think number 3 for me was the I’m just gonna pick

885
00:54:57.900 –> 00:55:01.635
that universe. Universe. Yeah. I do think

886
00:55:01.775 –> 00:55:05.615
aliens, which was the second one, was probably one of

887
00:55:05.615 –> 00:55:09.455
my all time favorites. It might have something to do with when I watched it

888
00:55:09.455 –> 00:55:13.135
because I the first time I ever watched that was a kid. And I’ve

889
00:55:13.135 –> 00:55:16.859
since watched it a few times since. But I I just remember

890
00:55:16.859 –> 00:55:20.619
thinking, I wonder if alien races are really like this. Like,

891
00:55:20.619 –> 00:55:23.980
we’re in trouble. We’re in a lot of trouble if these are what what aliens

892
00:55:23.980 –> 00:55:27.599
are really like. Well, he so one of the things,

893
00:55:28.859 –> 00:55:29.359
that

894
00:55:35.575 –> 00:55:38.474
hold on. Oh, I’m dealing with a dishwasher.

895
00:55:45.599 –> 00:55:49.140
Okay. I’m sorry. I’m dealing with a dishwasher. Okay.

896
00:55:49.599 –> 00:55:51.460
I got a dishwasher repairman.

897
00:55:53.680 –> 00:55:56.660
It’s not exactly reliable. Anyway,

898
00:55:58.755 –> 00:56:01.974
it’s just there’s a little bit of the inside baseball of Pesan’s life there

899
00:56:04.194 –> 00:56:07.895
for the show. No. To your point about alien.

900
00:56:08.035 –> 00:56:11.619
Okay. So I watched alien. I

901
00:56:11.619 –> 00:56:15.140
watched the first movie, the Ridley Scott movie from the 19 seventies when I was

902
00:56:15.140 –> 00:56:18.520
probably about 15 years old.

903
00:56:20.420 –> 00:56:23.815
And, originally,

904
00:56:23.815 –> 00:56:27.175
it landed in my head as a

905
00:56:27.175 –> 00:56:28.475
combination of

906
00:56:33.095 –> 00:56:36.869
remember 2001, A Space Odyssey? Yes. So, like, all of

907
00:56:36.869 –> 00:56:40.710
the worst parts of 2,001, a Space Odyssey that I didn’t like, because I was

908
00:56:40.710 –> 00:56:44.490
on a anti Kubrick kick, whatever. But all of the parts of that

909
00:56:45.109 –> 00:56:48.809
combined without Dave, the computer, take Dave, the computer out,

910
00:56:49.395 –> 00:56:52.115
Or or you well, actually, you put Dave, the computer, inside the Android. Right? I

911
00:56:52.115 –> 00:56:55.155
was just I was just gonna say that, but yeah. Go ahead. Right. And then

912
00:56:55.155 –> 00:56:58.915
and then you throw in this monster

913
00:56:58.915 –> 00:57:02.215
movie aspect from the alien creature.

914
00:57:04.640 –> 00:57:05.620
And I thought

915
00:57:08.640 –> 00:57:11.520
and, yeah, I mean, you got the jump scares with the thing coming out of

916
00:57:11.520 –> 00:57:15.280
the belly and whatever and the acidic, whatever. And then

917
00:57:15.280 –> 00:57:16.420
I thought, you know what?

918
00:57:21.815 –> 00:57:24.635
Do I care enough? Do I have an opinion about this movie?

919
00:57:25.494 –> 00:57:29.335
And I decided I didn’t. Okay. Fine. So I went away. Many years later

920
00:57:29.335 –> 00:57:32.869
came back, watched Aliens with Sigourney

921
00:57:32.869 –> 00:57:36.549
Weaver, which by the way, much more of an action film because it was directed

922
00:57:36.549 –> 00:57:39.910
by James Cameron. Right. Right. Which is it

923
00:57:39.910 –> 00:57:43.670
totally like, no one ever talks about this, but James Cameron was

924
00:57:43.670 –> 00:57:47.445
the b director of Ridley Scott. Like,

925
00:57:47.445 –> 00:57:51.285
that’s weird. Right? Like Yeah. And then and then the subsequent

926
00:57:51.285 –> 00:57:54.805
movies, James Cameron’s never been invited back to direct another

927
00:57:54.805 –> 00:57:58.485
aliens film. Which is weird because that that one

928
00:57:58.485 –> 00:58:01.329
was better than I think that one was better. I think I thought I thought

929
00:58:01.329 –> 00:58:05.170
the second one, aliens, was a better movie. And in

930
00:58:05.170 –> 00:58:08.530
that film, you get Sigourney Weaver. You get her, you

931
00:58:08.530 –> 00:58:11.970
know, female I’m gonna say this, female

932
00:58:11.970 –> 00:58:15.805
badass with the, you know, running around, and it’s woman versus woman and

933
00:58:15.805 –> 00:58:19.345
woman versus nature. And so you’re trying to make all these, these illusions. Right?

934
00:58:20.605 –> 00:58:24.365
And Newt is in there and it spawned a whole bunch of comic books, dark

935
00:58:24.365 –> 00:58:28.125
horse comics, basically their entire company existed because of the aliens and

936
00:58:28.125 –> 00:58:31.930
quite frankly, predator. Who’s another even no one ever talks about, which I like predator

937
00:58:31.930 –> 00:58:34.270
better, but that’s a whole other different kind of thing.

938
00:58:36.250 –> 00:58:40.030
But I thought to your point about

939
00:58:40.170 –> 00:58:43.585
if if we run into something like this, we’re in trouble. I

940
00:58:43.585 –> 00:58:47.285
thought and and it came out so it was good because I watched Prometheus. Right?

941
00:58:47.745 –> 00:58:50.725
Mhmm. And I got so mad in the middle of that movie.

942
00:58:52.065 –> 00:58:55.740
That’s so great. I was like, I’m done. I’m out. I’m out. And

943
00:58:55.740 –> 00:58:59.440
I sat there in anger for the last 45 minutes of that movie, deceiving.

944
00:59:00.460 –> 00:59:03.200
Because to your point about the universe,

945
00:59:04.780 –> 00:59:08.220
part of developing a a a cinematic universe is you have to

946
00:59:08.220 –> 00:59:11.675
retcon other films that

947
00:59:11.675 –> 00:59:15.435
existed before you decided to make the cinematic universe to make it fit into

948
00:59:15.435 –> 00:59:19.115
the narrative, and it never works. Yeah.

949
00:59:19.115 –> 00:59:22.315
Because we already have that other narrative in our head. So now I’m annoyed. So

950
00:59:22.315 –> 00:59:25.215
now you’re showing me, like, alien eggs and babies and

951
00:59:25.790 –> 00:59:29.630
alien space men. I thought Prometheus was an I thought Prometheus was an awkward

952
00:59:29.630 –> 00:59:33.170
left turn. Right? Like, it was just it it it it it

953
00:59:34.030 –> 00:59:37.869
No. The funny part was I I I liked

954
00:59:37.869 –> 00:59:41.665
the movie up until that part. I was like, oh, this is kinda cool. Like,

955
00:59:41.665 –> 00:59:44.865
I get it. You know, whatever. And then once it started showing the and I’m

956
00:59:44.865 –> 00:59:48.704
like, wait a minute. Wait a minute. And they did the same thing with

957
00:59:48.704 –> 00:59:52.464
Predator, by the way. So I I do agree. I actually like Predator

958
00:59:52.464 –> 00:59:56.000
a lot. It was one of I was, again, a kid growing up

959
00:59:56.000 –> 00:59:59.760
watching military people overcome that that, you know,

960
00:59:59.760 –> 01:00:03.599
it it you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jesse Buenaventura, Carl Weathers. Mhmm. I

961
01:00:03.599 –> 01:00:07.440
mean, had action heroes in there, and I was like, yes. Like, these all

962
01:00:07.440 –> 01:00:10.645
these guys are I think I wanna be with them. If the world’s coming to

963
01:00:10.645 –> 01:00:13.365
an end, I wanna be with them too. Like, I was that girl that was

964
01:00:13.365 –> 01:00:16.285
like, don’t leave me here. I’m coming with you. Like, I you know? I can’t

965
01:00:16.285 –> 01:00:20.005
I can’t tell the guy. I’m going I’m going with Carl Weathers. Right. You know,

966
01:00:20.005 –> 01:00:23.640
you got Carl Weathers, Jesse Ventura, and Arnold Schwarzenegger and with a

967
01:00:23.640 –> 01:00:27.400
with a whole bunch of guns. Right. You’re gonna say, no. Leave me

968
01:00:27.400 –> 01:00:31.160
here? Hell no. I’m going with you guys if the world’s coming. If the if

969
01:00:31.160 –> 01:00:33.980
the feces is hitting the fan, I’m going with you.

970
01:00:35.079 –> 01:00:38.775
Like well, anyway but then you then you even

971
01:00:38.775 –> 01:00:42.455
did like, even the 2nd Predator movie and the 3rd like, when they the the

972
01:00:42.455 –> 01:00:46.055
predator gets dropped in the middle of Colorado. Mhmm. Fine. I had no

973
01:00:46.055 –> 01:00:49.895
problem with that. Like, okay. Sure. So it didn’t work in the jungle. Put

974
01:00:49.895 –> 01:00:53.710
him in a city or the suburbs or whatever. Fine. But I felt

975
01:00:53.710 –> 01:00:57.070
the same way. Like, you’re talking about Prometheus, when when they started doing the whole

976
01:00:57.070 –> 01:01:00.750
alien versus predator kinda dynamic. And I don’t know if you remember this one, but

977
01:01:00.750 –> 01:01:04.350
there was one where they had to excavate, like, some sort of

978
01:01:04.350 –> 01:01:07.964
pyramid in the Arctic. Oh. And they got Yeah. When they

979
01:01:07.964 –> 01:01:11.484
got down there, they realized, oh, wait a minute. So

980
01:01:11.484 –> 01:01:15.244
these predators that’s why they’re called predators because they prey

981
01:01:15.244 –> 01:01:19.005
on these other alien these aliens prey on these aliens in order for you to

982
01:01:19.530 –> 01:01:23.290
your your coming of age is to go kill one of them. Like,

983
01:01:23.290 –> 01:01:27.130
that cool thing was and I’m like, what are we doing? Like, what

984
01:01:27.130 –> 01:01:30.910
are we doing here? Like, it’s just it just seems very weird. Like,

985
01:01:30.970 –> 01:01:34.170
so to your point with the whole view now you just have to you’re basically

986
01:01:34.505 –> 01:01:37.465
you’re taking bits and pieces from all these other movies, and you’re trying to force

987
01:01:37.465 –> 01:01:40.985
feed a universe down our throat. Right. Exactly. And I don’t I don’t I don’t

988
01:01:40.985 –> 01:01:44.425
need that. I don’t I don’t need that. Yeah. And then to your point about

989
01:01:44.425 –> 01:01:48.205
aliens and is this actually what alien life would be? Here’s the thing.

990
01:01:52.550 –> 01:01:54.570
Neil deGrasse Tyson would tell us

991
01:01:56.470 –> 01:01:59.590
if he were here right now. I can’t wait. Tell me tell me what he

992
01:01:59.590 –> 01:02:02.550
would say. Here’s here’s what he would say. Here’s what he would say. That’s all

993
01:02:02.550 –> 01:02:06.325
fantasy, and it doesn’t matter because there is no intelligent life in the universe

994
01:02:06.325 –> 01:02:10.005
other than us. There’s there’s none. And and even if there

995
01:02:10.005 –> 01:02:13.684
is intelligent life, it’s so far away from us, we can never get

996
01:02:13.684 –> 01:02:17.385
there. We just can’t. We can’t cross the distances. We can never get there.

997
01:02:17.684 –> 01:02:21.170
And if they can cross the distances to get here, they’re

998
01:02:21.170 –> 01:02:24.230
probably so super intelligent that why the hell would they bother with us.

999
01:02:25.730 –> 01:02:29.349
And so we would be to them as ants are to us,

1000
01:02:30.290 –> 01:02:34.045
and no one’s crossing the street to deal with an anthill. We just drive past

1001
01:02:34.045 –> 01:02:36.845
it. I mean, we we don’t care. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don’t know what’s going

1002
01:02:36.845 –> 01:02:40.045
on over there. And the ants the ants aren’t building rockets to come talk to

1003
01:02:40.045 –> 01:02:43.805
us. There’s they’re hanging around the anthill. Like, they’re doing ant

1004
01:02:43.805 –> 01:02:46.680
stuff in an anthill. That’s what Neil DeGrasse Tyson would say.

1005
01:02:48.040 –> 01:02:51.559
Now with that being said, I do think

1006
01:02:51.559 –> 01:02:55.400
that the idea of and I’ve often struggled with this just

1007
01:02:55.400 –> 01:02:59.079
even in my religious, you know, sort of wiring. Not

1008
01:02:59.079 –> 01:03:02.595
sort of my religious wiring. I don’t know why you would

1009
01:03:02.755 –> 01:03:06.515
why a creator would build a gigantic universe like this that we’re aware of,

1010
01:03:06.515 –> 01:03:10.355
by the way. Like, it’s not like it’s like there’s a

1011
01:03:10.355 –> 01:03:14.079
great scene at the end of, the first men in black, right, where the

1012
01:03:14.079 –> 01:03:17.460
aliens are playing marbles. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. The

1013
01:03:17.839 –> 01:03:21.040
When I saw that scene was actually eye opening for me be I was I

1014
01:03:21.040 –> 01:03:24.720
actually thought I watched that and went, goddamn it. That could actually like, how

1015
01:03:24.720 –> 01:03:28.185
would we know if that was really happening? Like, we wouldn’t even know. Well, now

1016
01:03:28.185 –> 01:03:29.565
we would have no idea.

1017
01:03:32.105 –> 01:03:35.485
We would have no idea. Well, I’m not Damn it Will Smith.

1018
01:03:36.265 –> 01:03:40.025
Well, and that’s part of the idea that, like, all of and and

1019
01:03:40.025 –> 01:03:43.660
this is Elon Musk pushes this idea that all of reality is a

1020
01:03:43.660 –> 01:03:47.340
simulation, and we’re all just trapped inside some test tube on some kid’s

1021
01:03:47.340 –> 01:03:50.940
desk in Cleveland. So so Elon Musk is basically saying we are

1022
01:03:50.940 –> 01:03:54.460
actually in the matrix. We Right. But it’s but it’s a

1023
01:03:54.460 –> 01:03:58.305
matrix that’s being run inside of to to the point about

1024
01:03:58.305 –> 01:04:01.204
the end of Men in Black, inside of another set of matrices

1025
01:04:02.065 –> 01:04:04.645
inside of another set of matrices that are all

1026
01:04:07.345 –> 01:04:11.025
that. At a certain point, we’re getting out of control. We gotta quit. Yeah. We

1027
01:04:11.025 –> 01:04:14.700
we we we can see the universe. We we

1028
01:04:14.700 –> 01:04:18.540
are smart enough to build technology that can perceive where we

1029
01:04:18.540 –> 01:04:21.920
are at in the universe, and it is vast

1030
01:04:22.300 –> 01:04:26.080
and up to this point, anyway, empty of intelligence

1031
01:04:26.140 –> 01:04:29.835
other than us. That’s it. That’s

1032
01:04:29.835 –> 01:04:33.295
all we know for sure. So because that’s all we know for sure,

1033
01:04:33.915 –> 01:04:37.435
what the hell? Let’s backfill it with aliens. Let’s backfill it with

1034
01:04:37.435 –> 01:04:41.215
predators. Let’s backfill it with Vulcans and Klingons

1035
01:04:42.160 –> 01:04:45.920
and Star Wars things. Sure. Let’s backfill the entire freaking thing.

1036
01:04:45.920 –> 01:04:49.220
Because it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter. Because whatever it is we find

1037
01:04:49.520 –> 01:04:53.360
like, I am convinced in the next 100 to a

1038
01:04:53.360 –> 01:04:56.660
150 years, we will

1039
01:04:57.565 –> 01:05:01.325
do some kind of at some technological level, we will lose

1040
01:05:01.325 –> 01:05:04.285
some kind of foothold. We will. We will get some kind of foothold as a

1041
01:05:04.285 –> 01:05:07.965
globe on Mars. We will get some kind I think Elon’s right on that. We

1042
01:05:07.965 –> 01:05:11.505
will get some kind of foothold on Mars. 100, 150 years out, I think.

1043
01:05:12.660 –> 01:05:15.540
I think we have to go through I think I think we have to have

1044
01:05:15.540 –> 01:05:18.820
a close run on a war or a major war to sort of click us

1045
01:05:18.820 –> 01:05:21.380
over into that, but I think I think that’s gonna happen. If it doesn’t happen

1046
01:05:21.380 –> 01:05:24.820
this time around, there’s gonna be another time around where the tensions will rise and

1047
01:05:24.820 –> 01:05:28.605
we’ll get there. Anyway, and that’s about a 150 years. I

1048
01:05:28.605 –> 01:05:32.445
mean, the average the average human succulent cycle

1049
01:05:32.445 –> 01:05:36.285
is 80 years. 2 80 year cycles is a 160 years. There

1050
01:05:36.285 –> 01:05:39.405
you go. So in a 160 years, we will we will wind up on Mars.

1051
01:05:39.405 –> 01:05:43.180
We for sure. I believe that absolutely for sure. After

1052
01:05:43.180 –> 01:05:46.540
that, who the hell knows? I mean, like, the moons of

1053
01:05:46.540 –> 01:05:50.380
Jupiter are kind of interesting. The moons of Saturn are kind

1054
01:05:50.380 –> 01:05:54.140
of interesting. I do fundamentally believe that there are

1055
01:05:54.140 –> 01:05:57.520
wild things out there that we’re not prepared for.

1056
01:05:58.515 –> 01:06:02.295
Are those wild things what we would conventionally assume is life?

1057
01:06:03.155 –> 01:06:06.914
No. And I don’t know that we’re ready to see any of

1058
01:06:06.914 –> 01:06:10.454
that. So could we run into some egg laying

1059
01:06:12.500 –> 01:06:16.119
alien thing, hell yeah. Yeah. We can run into that. Sure. Why not?

1060
01:06:17.380 –> 01:06:20.339
But I’m not gonna worry about it right now. I’m gonna be kind of annoyed

1061
01:06:20.339 –> 01:06:24.020
because I’m living now. I’m living in 2024 right now. And I’m not I’m not

1062
01:06:24.020 –> 01:06:27.705
going to Mars. I’m not gonna make it. My generation, we’re not gonna make it.

1063
01:06:28.005 –> 01:06:30.265
Tom’s of the same generation. We’re not going to Mars.

1064
01:06:32.085 –> 01:06:35.305
All I’m saying is in my original statement in starting this whole

1065
01:06:35.685 –> 01:06:39.510
spiral Yeah. Was that I felt like aliens was ahead of its

1066
01:06:39.510 –> 01:06:43.310
time. If you think about, like, the other movies in the seventies eighties, I

1067
01:06:43.310 –> 01:06:47.110
I really did think aliens because if you think about aliens, the

1068
01:06:47.350 –> 01:06:51.185
what the alien looked like and what the all the it

1069
01:06:51.185 –> 01:06:54.565
looked relatively the same throughout the whole course of the the alien

1070
01:06:55.265 –> 01:06:58.945
universe. Yeah. But, like, they didn’t make a lot of changes to it. Whereas,

1071
01:06:58.945 –> 01:07:02.725
again, if you go back to Godzilla, Godzilla 1960 was vastly

1072
01:07:02.785 –> 01:07:06.029
different than the last Godzilla movie. You know, like, it it’s

1073
01:07:06.490 –> 01:07:09.630
not even the same. They they made a lot of changes to it. CGI

1074
01:07:10.089 –> 01:07:13.049
helped out with a lot of that, whatever. Right? So Yeah. That’s all I was

1075
01:07:13.049 –> 01:07:16.809
getting at. I liked I liked the the idea. Like, when I was a

1076
01:07:16.809 –> 01:07:20.205
kid, that movie was way better to me than some of the most of the

1077
01:07:20.205 –> 01:07:23.645
other sci fi movies that were around. I mean, think about Total

1078
01:07:23.645 –> 01:07:27.085
Recall. Come on. Come

1079
01:07:27.085 –> 01:07:30.845
on. Innerspace. You wanna talk about a comedic

1080
01:07:30.845 –> 01:07:33.025
one? Innerspace with, Martin,

1081
01:07:35.560 –> 01:07:39.000
Steve, the small dude. What’s his

1082
01:07:39.000 –> 01:07:42.599
name? Rick Moranis. Rick Moranis. Yeah.

1083
01:07:42.599 –> 01:07:46.359
Moranis. Yeah. Rick Moranis. Innerspace, that was kinda

1084
01:07:46.359 –> 01:07:49.775
funny. But, again, the technology was very choppy, very weird looking.

1085
01:07:49.934 –> 01:07:53.694
There’s some weird stuff that happened there. Well, to talk

1086
01:07:53.694 –> 01:07:57.075
about anxiety and Weird science. And weird science,

1087
01:07:57.855 –> 01:08:01.619
my my second greatest of my top

1088
01:08:01.619 –> 01:08:05.140
five greatest science fiction films. My 2nd greatest science fiction film I wanna go on

1089
01:08:05.140 –> 01:08:08.839
record for Hazon, the 2nd greatest science fiction film

1090
01:08:08.980 –> 01:08:12.339
of all time is the

1091
01:08:12.339 –> 01:08:15.880
1968 version of the Pierre Boulay novel written

1092
01:08:16.654 –> 01:08:19.795
by the guy who wrote Twilight Zone, Rod Serling,

1093
01:08:21.455 –> 01:08:24.114
Planet of the Apes. Thank you.

1094
01:08:25.455 –> 01:08:27.774
Oh, I don’t know what’s going on with the modern ones. I haven’t watched any

1095
01:08:27.774 –> 01:08:30.820
of those. I don’t care about any of those. I watched the first I I

1096
01:08:30.820 –> 01:08:33.380
watched the very first one. I couldn’t do the rest. I just couldn’t do it.

1097
01:08:33.380 –> 01:08:36.660
It’s okay. I think it’s suckered in. And I couldn’t and and Mark Wahlberg thing,

1098
01:08:36.660 –> 01:08:40.500
that hideous Tim Burton, Mark Wahlberg thing back in the nineties. I did watch that,

1099
01:08:40.500 –> 01:08:43.380
and I and I promised myself never again after that, and I’ve never been sucked

1100
01:08:43.380 –> 01:08:46.604
back in again. Exactly. Yeah. It was bad.

1101
01:08:47.545 –> 01:08:51.305
You can’t beat you can’t beat Rod Serling’s writing. You

1102
01:08:51.305 –> 01:08:55.145
just can’t. That was the great great

1103
01:08:55.145 –> 01:08:58.125
movie. It was the first movie I ever watched

1104
01:08:59.149 –> 01:09:02.689
where, like, it sucked me in so much

1105
01:09:03.070 –> 01:09:06.670
that when Charlton Heston finally realized where he was at with the Statue of

1106
01:09:06.670 –> 01:09:08.130
Liberty scene on the beach,

1107
01:09:10.430 –> 01:09:13.925
it’s iconic. That was iconic. That scene. My

1108
01:09:13.925 –> 01:09:17.545
stomach dropped out of my my like, my gut dropped.

1109
01:09:18.005 –> 01:09:21.764
Yeah. I was like, it got me. It got me. And

1110
01:09:21.764 –> 01:09:25.604
I’m watching this movie in, like, the mid 19 nineties. It

1111
01:09:25.604 –> 01:09:29.250
got me. I had heard about the ending, and I knew about the ending,

1112
01:09:29.250 –> 01:09:31.990
and it still suckered me in. It still got me.

1113
01:09:33.170 –> 01:09:37.010
Well, the other thing too is if you think about the like, so some something

1114
01:09:37.010 –> 01:09:40.310
that I wanna make sure everybody listening here clearly

1115
01:09:40.370 –> 01:09:44.125
understands. Like, Charlton Heston was in that movie.

1116
01:09:44.585 –> 01:09:48.345
Right. Moses. Like, yeah. Like, this is not

1117
01:09:48.345 –> 01:09:52.125
Mark Wahlberg, people. This is, like, Academy

1118
01:09:52.425 –> 01:09:56.120
Award winning. Like, this this guy was, like, legit, one of the best

1119
01:09:56.120 –> 01:09:59.560
actors of all time. Moses, the

1120
01:09:59.560 –> 01:10:03.160
omega man. Exactly. Like

1121
01:10:03.160 –> 01:10:06.760
this you know, I I I gotta admit. I

1122
01:10:06.760 –> 01:10:09.435
mean, I I I I would find it hard press for me to pick a

1123
01:10:09.435 –> 01:10:13.035
different number too. I’m just saying. I I I was It

1124
01:10:13.035 –> 01:10:16.795
it when

1125
01:10:16.795 –> 01:10:20.380
Charles Heston says, get your paws off me, you damn dirty ape, Like, that’s

1126
01:10:20.500 –> 01:10:24.040
and the and the apes respond, and they’re like, you know?

1127
01:10:25.940 –> 01:10:29.320
I think it’s the level of

1128
01:10:29.699 –> 01:10:33.380
seriousness that Charlton Heston brought

1129
01:10:33.380 –> 01:10:36.605
to that material and elevated Serling’s

1130
01:10:36.744 –> 01:10:37.885
material with.

1131
01:10:40.505 –> 01:10:44.264
And then the whole entire and by the way, the whole

1132
01:10:44.264 –> 01:10:48.105
entire plot of the movie, end of the book, but of

1133
01:10:48.105 –> 01:10:51.690
the movie could have been camp. It really could have gone

1134
01:10:51.690 –> 01:10:55.449
into camp. And Heston just by showing up, me and

1135
01:10:55.449 –> 01:10:58.730
Charlton Heston just didn’t allow it. He’s like, no. We’re just we’re not gonna be

1136
01:10:58.730 –> 01:11:02.485
camp. We’re just not gonna do that. Whereas I’ve seen a couple of the

1137
01:11:02.485 –> 01:11:06.325
trailers for the thing that Matt Reeves is doing now. And I’m just

1138
01:11:06.325 –> 01:11:10.165
like, it’s not camp, but it

1139
01:11:10.165 –> 01:11:14.005
would be better if it were. Honestly, he would be a little bit

1140
01:11:14.005 –> 01:11:17.730
more palatable if it were because here’s the thing. And this gets back

1141
01:11:17.730 –> 01:11:20.210
to the whole idea of King Kong. Honestly, this is why I wanted to bring

1142
01:11:20.210 –> 01:11:23.969
up pain in the apes, but we have such a ever

1143
01:11:23.969 –> 01:11:27.750
since ever since Darwin’s theory of evolution, we have had

1144
01:11:28.530 –> 01:11:32.304
such a weird

1145
01:11:32.525 –> 01:11:35.985
we’re we’re we’re stunned by the fact that the apes

1146
01:11:36.445 –> 01:11:40.125
haven’t evolved to where we are. We are we are quite frankly stunned by

1147
01:11:40.125 –> 01:11:43.830
that. Like, we’re quite frankly so that there’s a gap. Like, why

1148
01:11:43.830 –> 01:11:47.590
aren’t there 2 dominant human species on the planet? Like, we don’t we

1149
01:11:47.590 –> 01:11:51.430
don’t we don’t understand that. Like, I’m fascinated by Neanderthals, quite frankly. I

1150
01:11:51.430 –> 01:11:54.630
am. I’m fascinated by the entire thing. I read up on Neanderthals. I did a

1151
01:11:54.630 –> 01:11:58.414
whole bunch of research on them a couple years ago. I read everything I can

1152
01:11:58.414 –> 01:12:02.175
get my hands on about Neanderthals. And,

1153
01:12:02.175 –> 01:12:05.855
basically, modern humans, which are technically speaking Cro

1154
01:12:05.855 –> 01:12:09.554
Magnons, whatever that may mean, we basically

1155
01:12:10.014 –> 01:12:11.715
ethnically cleansed the Neanderthals.

1156
01:12:14.560 –> 01:12:18.000
It’s we just we destroyed another species on the planet that was also

1157
01:12:18.000 –> 01:12:21.680
humans. And we’re fine with it. Yeah. We’re

1158
01:12:21.680 –> 01:12:25.120
fine with it. I don’t know then. We’re like, oh, that’s that’s fine. Like, we

1159
01:12:25.120 –> 01:12:28.355
we outbred them. Some of them interbred with Cro Magnons,

1160
01:12:28.975 –> 01:12:32.655
which is why people look a certain way or maybe even have certain IQs that

1161
01:12:32.655 –> 01:12:35.715
they have. Maybe people think that. No. People do think that.

1162
01:12:36.575 –> 01:12:40.255
There’s also, we also hunted them, maybe even for

1163
01:12:40.255 –> 01:12:43.560
food because there was a whole lot of cannibalism that has gone on in all

1164
01:12:43.720 –> 01:12:47.500
throughout all of human history, across all races, ethnic groups, geographies,

1165
01:12:47.720 –> 01:12:51.480
doesn’t matter. Religious observations, doesn’t matter. Cannibalism apparently is very

1166
01:12:51.480 –> 01:12:54.700
popular. I’m not gonna get into that.

1167
01:12:55.795 –> 01:12:59.155
Maybe one day, we’ll do an episode top 5. He’s on top 5 cannibal

1168
01:12:59.155 –> 01:13:02.295
movies, and I do have top 5 cannibal movies. I do.

1169
01:13:04.514 –> 01:13:08.275
Well, anyway, I won’t get into all that. My wife would be like, you can’t

1170
01:13:08.275 –> 01:13:11.730
talk about any of that on air. That’s terrible. That’s for

1171
01:13:11.730 –> 01:13:14.710
Bodum. No one will listen after that. Anyway

1172
01:13:16.610 –> 01:13:20.290
You will lose listeners, Haysan. You will lose listeners You’ll lose listeners.

1173
01:13:20.450 –> 01:13:22.230
Start talking about the hills have eyes.

1174
01:13:27.315 –> 01:13:29.335
So I’m sorry. I had I had to.

1175
01:13:31.315 –> 01:13:35.095
Ravenous is actually a really good movie. Anyway, it doesn’t matter.

1176
01:13:35.155 –> 01:13:38.550
Point is, that is something that

1177
01:13:39.330 –> 01:13:42.770
Cro Magnons what was it, like, 16000 years ago or

1178
01:13:42.770 –> 01:13:46.530
whatever? Like, we just we just eliminated another human species. And

1179
01:13:46.530 –> 01:13:50.325
so we’ve taken all of that anxiety, and we just put it on

1180
01:13:50.325 –> 01:13:53.865
the monkeys. The thing about the monkeys is

1181
01:13:54.005 –> 01:13:57.845
they seem to just insist on just continuing to be monkeys. Like, they’re fine with

1182
01:13:57.845 –> 01:14:01.525
that. They’re they’re like, yeah. We’re I don’t know. We’re gorillas. We’re gorillas and chimpanzees

1183
01:14:01.525 –> 01:14:05.340
and orangutans. We’re we’re cool. We’re just hanging out here. And so I am

1184
01:14:05.340 –> 01:14:09.179
convinced, number 1, I think that that is the strongest argument

1185
01:14:09.179 –> 01:14:12.780
actually against evolution is the fact that the monkeys are still monkeys. I think that’s

1186
01:14:12.780 –> 01:14:16.320
one of the stronger arguments against evolution. Didn’t didn’t Paul Giamatti

1187
01:14:16.460 –> 01:14:19.119
didn’t Paul Giamatti play an orangutan? He did.

1188
01:14:22.295 –> 01:14:25.355
Sorry. I just thought I know it’s good. It’s so good.

1189
01:14:25.895 –> 01:14:29.255
Yeah. But then but then the second strongest argument is

1190
01:14:29.255 –> 01:14:32.715
that we had 2 human species, and we destroyed

1191
01:14:32.775 –> 01:14:36.599
1. So that’s the second good argument against evolution.

1192
01:14:37.219 –> 01:14:41.059
And then the third good argument is anything you see implanted in the apes, where

1193
01:14:41.059 –> 01:14:44.760
where we can give the apes intelligence, and then they just kill us all.

1194
01:14:45.059 –> 01:14:48.855
They just they just destroy us. There’s a war, whatever, and Matt Reeves insists on

1195
01:14:48.855 –> 01:14:52.375
going back, speaking to your point about universes. Oh, and now we gotta go retcon

1196
01:14:52.375 –> 01:14:56.135
and how we all want because this is the thing. Everybody in the new

1197
01:14:56.135 –> 01:14:59.495
planet of the apes movies is waiting for the movie where Charlton Heston shows up.

1198
01:14:59.495 –> 01:15:02.430
That’s what we’re all waiting on. Just bring us Charlton Heston already.

1199
01:15:03.390 –> 01:15:07.230
Or Mark Wahlberg. Bring Marky Mark and the funky bunch, whoever the hell you bring.

1200
01:15:07.230 –> 01:15:11.070
Just bring bring the white guy on the ship in Who

1201
01:15:11.070 –> 01:15:14.110
would be who would be today’s version of Charlton Heston, though? Like, who would we

1202
01:15:14.110 –> 01:15:17.735
get Jon Hamm, maybe? Like, who would we get to play that role? Jon Hamm.

1203
01:15:17.735 –> 01:15:20.855
Get the hell out of town. He’s got the jawline. That was a joke. That

1204
01:15:20.855 –> 01:15:24.215
was a total joke. It’s not the jawline, but not much

1205
01:15:24.215 –> 01:15:28.054
else. No. I mean, who do we get? Who do we no.

1206
01:15:28.054 –> 01:15:31.815
No. Well, see okay. In our time, we can’t it can’t be a

1207
01:15:31.815 –> 01:15:35.330
white guy. So it has to be like Kevin Hart

1208
01:15:39.310 –> 01:15:43.150
or The Rock or something. Okay. The the Rock’s at least

1209
01:15:43.550 –> 01:15:46.910
okay. Maybe. Maybe The Rock.

1210
01:15:46.910 –> 01:15:50.615
I Kevin Hart, though? Will Smith even.

1211
01:15:50.615 –> 01:15:54.455
Come on. Kevin Hart? He’s not he’s not Samuel Jackson. It’ll

1212
01:15:54.455 –> 01:15:58.215
be Sam Jackson. It’ll be Sam Jackson that steps out of the spaceship. No.

1213
01:15:58.215 –> 01:16:01.750
Actually, no. You know who would be really cool? I don’t know. I don’t know

1214
01:16:01.750 –> 01:16:05.190
why I like him so much, but Laurence Fishburne. I think Laurence Fishburne. You go.

1215
01:16:05.190 –> 01:16:08.970
Stepping out of the stepping out of that spaceship, that would be cool for me.

1216
01:16:09.190 –> 01:16:12.790
He’s a poor man. He’s a poor man’s Denzel Washington. Yeah. We’ll go with

1217
01:16:12.790 –> 01:16:16.175
him. I’d I’d I’d rather him over Denzel.

1218
01:16:16.315 –> 01:16:16.815
Maybe

1219
01:16:20.235 –> 01:16:23.915
that just shows that I grew up poor. I don’t know. That’s fine. I

1220
01:16:23.915 –> 01:16:27.215
don’t care. I’ll tell the world. I’m not ashamed of that.

1221
01:16:28.420 –> 01:16:31.880
Well, I grew up wealthy, and I’ll take Denzel. Exactly.

1222
01:16:32.500 –> 01:16:35.940
No. No. No. I think I think it has to be one of those guys

1223
01:16:35.940 –> 01:16:39.619
in our time, or or or it’s gotta be

1224
01:16:39.619 –> 01:16:43.155
some female actress. Like, I don’t know. To pick a female actress

1225
01:16:43.155 –> 01:16:46.615
here. Cause it can’t, it can’t be a white guy. We can’t have Charlton Heston.

1226
01:16:47.475 –> 01:16:50.995
We’re not allowed. So we’re going to have a woman. It’s going to be a

1227
01:16:50.995 –> 01:16:54.535
woman. So it would be some woman. I don’t know. Some female. Oh,

1228
01:16:54.790 –> 01:16:58.469
the the girl I’m sorry. Girl. The woman who was just the the

1229
01:16:58.469 –> 01:17:02.310
female lead in twisters. I just saw that movie. Oh, no.

1230
01:17:02.310 –> 01:17:05.830
I no. It’ll it’ll probably be, like, Anna or something like

1231
01:17:05.830 –> 01:17:09.510
that. Yeah. There you go. From from from from from from from from. There you

1232
01:17:09.510 –> 01:17:12.445
go. Yeah. I mean, she just won an Emmy. Why not? Let’s give her the

1233
01:17:12.445 –> 01:17:16.125
the let’s give her another role. She’s 5 for £305. Of course, she could

1234
01:17:16.125 –> 01:17:19.885
find a freaking freaking gorilla. You’re so funny. 5 foot 305

1235
01:17:19.885 –> 01:17:23.325
£500, and she’s a samurai. She’ll kick some ass. Is that No. No. No. No.

1236
01:17:23.325 –> 01:17:27.159
I’m fine. She’s a little sword. That’s what technology will

1237
01:17:27.159 –> 01:17:28.219
allow on the ship.

1238
01:17:32.440 –> 01:17:35.559
Oh god. Alright. So where where are we on this thing now? We’re at number

1239
01:17:35.559 –> 01:17:38.360
2. Right? We are number 2. We’re at number 2. We’re number 2. Okay. So

1240
01:17:38.360 –> 01:17:41.835
what’s your my number 2 was Planet of the Ages. What’s your number

1241
01:17:41.835 –> 01:17:45.054
2? See, I I kinda go back and forth. I actually think

1242
01:17:45.755 –> 01:17:49.454
a 1,000, 2,001 Space Odyssey from 1968, or

1243
01:17:49.675 –> 01:17:52.954
I go back and forth between that and the fly. Like, I thought the fly

1244
01:17:52.954 –> 01:17:56.660
was was really the I I actually did. I thought it

1245
01:17:56.660 –> 01:18:00.260
was I thought it was well done, and and it wasn’t supposed to be in

1246
01:18:00.260 –> 01:18:03.620
the horror genre. It was supposed to be sci fi, but it scared the crap

1247
01:18:03.620 –> 01:18:06.900
out of a lot of people. So which way really did. Which version of The

1248
01:18:06.900 –> 01:18:10.585
Fly? The one with Jeff Goldblum, where he’s, like, in the thing? Yeah.

1249
01:18:10.585 –> 01:18:13.385
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Alright. Okay. Because there’s another version from, like, back in the day.

1250
01:18:13.385 –> 01:18:17.085
Okay. Okay. Okay. So wow. The fly or

1251
01:18:17.465 –> 01:18:21.085
I wouldn’t go there, Dave. So okay.

1252
01:18:21.225 –> 01:18:25.010
Alright. So tell me why 2,001? Because I

1253
01:18:25.010 –> 01:18:28.850
was frustrated with that movie, unbelievably frustrated with that movie. But I’m

1254
01:18:28.850 –> 01:18:32.690
frustrated with Kubrick in general as a director. Like, he drives me crazy.

1255
01:18:32.690 –> 01:18:36.470
I have to watch Kubrick directed films like 2,001

1256
01:18:36.850 –> 01:18:40.565
or doctor Strangelove. Full metal jacket, I got right off the bat.

1257
01:18:40.565 –> 01:18:43.765
Like, I understood what he was doing right off the bat, but eyes wide shot.

1258
01:18:43.765 –> 01:18:47.525
Like, any of those kinds of films that he directed, I have to walk that

1259
01:18:47.525 –> 01:18:50.885
one that he did about the French, not the French revolution, the the

1260
01:18:50.885 –> 01:18:54.680
guy who was running around during during the American revolution or the French

1261
01:18:54.680 –> 01:18:58.440
revolution, and it was Ryan whatever. And he’s

1262
01:18:58.440 –> 01:19:01.980
got the, like, the wig. I can’t remember the name of the freaking movie.

1263
01:19:20.850 –> 01:19:24.150
Oh, the one A Clockwork Orange.

1264
01:19:24.610 –> 01:19:27.010
Oh, yeah. I’ll tell my clock I’ll tell I’ll tell my Clockwork Orange story very

1265
01:19:27.010 –> 01:19:30.450
quickly. I watched A Clockwork Orange 4

1266
01:19:30.450 –> 01:19:34.275
times on VHS and one time on DVD. And

1267
01:19:34.275 –> 01:19:37.795
I did not understand what the hell was going on in that movie. And

1268
01:19:37.795 –> 01:19:40.935
then, for time in my life, I worked as a projectionist.

1269
01:19:41.795 –> 01:19:44.435
By the way, kids, for those of you who are listening or below a certain

1270
01:19:44.435 –> 01:19:47.735
age, a projectionist was a person who actually put together physical film.

1271
01:19:48.780 –> 01:19:51.680
You got film in cans, and you got a lot of noise.

1272
01:19:53.260 –> 01:19:56.620
That’s when the film runs out. The film runs out. I was responsible

1273
01:19:56.620 –> 01:20:00.460
for that. And you used to

1274
01:20:00.460 –> 01:20:04.045
have celluloid, which was highly stable and then

1275
01:20:04.045 –> 01:20:07.724
silver nitrate, which would fall apart. Right. And, I worked

1276
01:20:07.724 –> 01:20:11.565
at an old movie house in, in Detroit that

1277
01:20:11.565 –> 01:20:15.085
showed classic movies. And so I watched a lot of classic films that

1278
01:20:15.085 –> 01:20:18.219
way, but we got a silver nitrite

1279
01:20:18.760 –> 01:20:22.460
copy of a clockwork orange. And when you were a projectionist,

1280
01:20:23.160 –> 01:20:27.000
you had to, put the movie together. And then because sometimes

1281
01:20:27.000 –> 01:20:30.695
you didn’t know where the cuts were correctly because the projectionist is sort of Scorsese

1282
01:20:30.855 –> 01:20:34.615
Martin Scorsese has said this in some other directors. But a projectionist is kinda like

1283
01:20:34.615 –> 01:20:38.295
the final editor, which is why most directors are glad that George

1284
01:20:38.295 –> 01:20:41.895
Lucas sort of eliminated all of us, and now it’s all digital. Anyway, because they

1285
01:20:41.895 –> 01:20:45.570
don’t want us touching their stuff. And so we would cut and

1286
01:20:45.570 –> 01:20:48.210
paste the films together, cut and tape the films together. So I knew how to

1287
01:20:48.210 –> 01:20:50.610
do I only knew how to do all that back in the day. I still

1288
01:20:50.610 –> 01:20:54.450
do. So all those skills. Anyway, so I would have to watch the movie

1289
01:20:54.450 –> 01:20:58.014
to make sure that I didn’t, they didn’t, you know, tape in a

1290
01:20:58.014 –> 01:21:01.375
real upside down or something, which by the way, sometimes you could do

1291
01:21:01.375 –> 01:21:04.974
that. Anyhow, so I put together a silver nitripe

1292
01:21:04.974 –> 01:21:08.594
version of Clockwork Orange, and it was original

1293
01:21:08.655 –> 01:21:12.500
version from whenever that movie came out. And I watched it,

1294
01:21:12.500 –> 01:21:15.960
and I was, like, in in the theater. And I went,

1295
01:21:16.420 –> 01:21:20.020
got it. I understand it now. It took me, like, 8 times to watch A

1296
01:21:20.020 –> 01:21:23.380
Clockwork Orange and actually understand what’s going on in that movie. That’s my problem with

1297
01:21:23.380 –> 01:21:27.204
Kubrick. Like, you’re you’re inscrutable as a director. I have no and by

1298
01:21:27.204 –> 01:21:29.605
the way, the actors don’t matter. The story doesn’t matter because he was sort of

1299
01:21:29.605 –> 01:21:33.445
all over the place with his genres and what he did. The thing that United

1300
01:21:33.445 –> 01:21:36.744
did is it’s it’s Stanley Kubrick’s vision of

1301
01:21:37.260 –> 01:21:40.780
what he wants to put forth for for reality. So it’s my Clockwork Orange story.

1302
01:21:40.780 –> 01:21:44.540
Anyway, 2001 a space odyssey. Why did you like this? I’m

1303
01:21:44.540 –> 01:21:48.300
always fascinated by other people. Why did what struck you about that movie versus the

1304
01:21:48.300 –> 01:21:52.034
flock? Let’s let’s let’s let’s back up for a

1305
01:21:52.034 –> 01:21:55.795
second because I’m not suggesting that I loved the movie itself. Right?

1306
01:21:55.795 –> 01:21:59.554
Like, I’m just thinking, when you had sent this to me and I started thinking

1307
01:21:59.554 –> 01:22:03.014
about movies, I was thinking more of, like, iconic movies that,

1308
01:22:03.715 –> 01:22:07.150
like, that that should be on the list, I

1309
01:22:07.150 –> 01:22:10.830
guess. I like like, probably movies that I wouldn’t have to

1310
01:22:10.830 –> 01:22:14.449
defend all that much. Like you know what I mean? Like so

1311
01:22:14.830 –> 01:22:17.710
that’s really what like, I like I said, I kinda went back and forth. If

1312
01:22:17.710 –> 01:22:21.345
I’m thinking of, like, if I’m thinking of, like, the best or

1313
01:22:21.345 –> 01:22:25.185
what would be considered the best films of, you know, of all time

1314
01:22:25.185 –> 01:22:28.785
in the genre. So it’s not that I personally have an attachment to

1315
01:22:28.785 –> 01:22:32.385
it like that, like like you’re asking. That being said, I

1316
01:22:32.385 –> 01:22:36.220
really I I I did think the depiction

1317
01:22:36.280 –> 01:22:39.720
of AI in that in that was way beyond its time.

1318
01:22:39.720 –> 01:22:43.400
Right? Okay. That that’s that’s probably the thing that stood out to me the

1319
01:22:43.400 –> 01:22:46.920
most when I was like and and by the way, the oh shit

1320
01:22:46.920 –> 01:22:50.395
factor today. Right? Like, we were talking about, you know, when

1321
01:22:50.395 –> 01:22:54.235
when 1984 was written in the in 1949, and

1322
01:22:54.235 –> 01:22:57.034
then the year of 1984 came, and you look at that book and how many

1323
01:22:57.034 –> 01:23:00.175
of that book actually how many of things that that book actually came to fruition,

1324
01:23:00.875 –> 01:23:04.464
like, it was very high numbers. Seventies it’s, like, 77% of

1325
01:23:04.464 –> 01:23:08.180
all the things that he wrote in that book at 84 in

1326
01:23:08.180 –> 01:23:11.897
1984 came true. At 2001 Space Aussie, we’re pretty darn close to saying

1327
01:23:11.897 –> 01:23:15.613
that that movie is real. Same thing that you were just talking about

1328
01:23:15.613 –> 01:23:19.225
the whole Blade Runner thing. Mhmm. Think about we’re now by the

1329
01:23:19.225 –> 01:23:22.985
way, people, we’re talking to our homes. Like, we’re

1330
01:23:22.985 –> 01:23:26.825
walking around our house. We are. Hey. What was that what was that joke

1331
01:23:26.825 –> 01:23:30.505
I heard the other day about the rabbit in the hat? Like, in the series

1332
01:23:30.505 –> 01:23:34.100
gonna go, what does a rat you know, like, where the the

1333
01:23:34.340 –> 01:23:37.780
so that that’s kind of why I’m why I’m thinking of some of that stuff.

1334
01:23:37.780 –> 01:23:41.560
Like, when I’m Why will the tech companies then call the AI Dave?

1335
01:23:42.260 –> 01:23:45.804
They call the AI they call you Dave. See did you see did I ask

1336
01:23:45.804 –> 01:23:49.565
you this before? Did you see the movie Jixie? Mm-mm. No.

1337
01:23:49.565 –> 01:23:52.945
What is that? Oh, what is that? What is

1338
01:23:53.045 –> 01:23:56.844
wrong? What is wrong with you, my friend? I’m watch I’m I’m

1339
01:23:56.844 –> 01:24:00.630
writing it down. You know, I gotta be honest with you. That one

1340
01:24:00.630 –> 01:24:04.469
even before Idiocracy. Okay. Alright. The premise of this

1341
01:24:04.469 –> 01:24:07.910
movie is this the

1342
01:24:07.910 –> 01:24:11.530
phone takes over this dude’s life. Like, the phone

1343
01:24:11.750 –> 01:24:15.475
takes him over. Like, you

1344
01:24:15.475 –> 01:24:19.075
know, he pisses the phone off. Like, Jexy is essentially Siri.

1345
01:24:19.075 –> 01:24:22.755
Right? Mhmm. Yeah. So he he he pisses it off somehow, and

1346
01:24:22.755 –> 01:24:26.035
and he’s like, you know, Jexy, set my alarm for work for 7, you know,

1347
01:24:26.035 –> 01:24:29.750
7:20 AM. 7:20 AM comes. The alarm doesn’t go

1348
01:24:29.750 –> 01:24:32.949
off. He wakes up late for work. He’s like, Jack c, what happened to that

1349
01:24:32.949 –> 01:24:36.650
alarm? She’s like, that’ll teach you next time to piss me off or whatever. Like,

1350
01:24:37.190 –> 01:24:39.829
2019. Okay. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I

1351
01:24:39.829 –> 01:24:43.594
found it. Go ahead. The kid that’s in it is not a huge

1352
01:24:43.655 –> 01:24:47.275
star, but he’s been in a couple of movies. He’s been in, you know, pitch,

1353
01:24:48.135 –> 01:24:51.574
pitch perfect, I think, with Anna Kendrick, and then he was also

1354
01:24:51.574 –> 01:24:55.120
in, was it Dave and, something

1355
01:24:55.120 –> 01:24:58.480
Dave find or need wedding dates or something like I forget what it is. But

1356
01:24:58.560 –> 01:25:01.680
Yeah. He’s been he’s been in a couple movies, and he always plays a a

1357
01:25:01.680 –> 01:25:05.140
a comedic, role. So but

1358
01:25:05.745 –> 01:25:09.364
Jexi, that movie was hilarious. I was

1359
01:25:09.585 –> 01:25:12.864
dying half of that movie. I was like, if this ever happens for real, we’re

1360
01:25:12.864 –> 01:25:16.304
in big trouble. Like Oh, Ron Ron Funkus is in it, the comedian.

1361
01:25:16.304 –> 01:25:20.100
Wanda Sykes is in it. Oh, oh, and Rose Byrne. She’s, oh, Rose Byrne

1362
01:25:20.100 –> 01:25:23.699
plays Jack c. She’s either okay. Rose Byrne plays Jack c’s voice.

1363
01:25:23.699 –> 01:25:27.380
Yeah. And she’s she’s hilarious. That the whole movie is funny. I

1364
01:25:27.699 –> 01:25:31.540
it’s great. Anyway okay. So back back to my point about 2,001. So

1365
01:25:31.540 –> 01:25:34.905
the idea here is, like like, I was thinking of it more like that. Like,

1366
01:25:35.065 –> 01:25:38.905
you know, the book 1984. Come 1984, we get all this stuff

1367
01:25:38.905 –> 01:25:42.664
happening. The same thing, like, I thought about, like like, Star

1368
01:25:42.664 –> 01:25:46.364
Trek, the series Star Trek. Like, when we think about all the stuff that

1369
01:25:46.505 –> 01:25:50.280
we now have today that was somebody watched that show

1370
01:25:50.280 –> 01:25:53.900
as a kid and said, I’m gonna invent that someday. That’s kinda

1371
01:25:53.960 –> 01:25:57.719
what my mindset was with Space Odyssey. The fly was just creepy as hell.

1372
01:25:57.719 –> 01:26:01.560
Like, that like I said, that that movie, I don’t

1373
01:26:01.560 –> 01:26:04.395
think, was supposed to be labeled as sci fi. I think it was supposed to

1374
01:26:04.395 –> 01:26:08.235
be the in the horror genre. Yeah. But but it was it is sci

1375
01:26:08.235 –> 01:26:11.275
fi. If you think about how, like, the teleportation thing, blah blah, like, all this

1376
01:26:11.355 –> 01:26:14.575
the the it was like it was definitely science in there. And so

1377
01:26:15.195 –> 01:26:18.575
I’m not sure which one I would put, you know, number 2, but

1378
01:26:19.050 –> 01:26:22.730
I I I I do think both of those 2 are very iconic, sci fi

1379
01:26:22.730 –> 01:26:26.330
movies. So let’s see. So okay. So we’ve got Godzilla and King

1380
01:26:26.330 –> 01:26:29.930
Kong universe for for Tom. We got idiocracy. We got the alien

1381
01:26:29.930 –> 01:26:33.530
universe, and then we’ve got a tie between 2,001, Space

1382
01:26:33.530 –> 01:26:37.345
Odyssey, and the Fly. Those are your top 4.

1383
01:26:37.345 –> 01:26:40.785
Okay. I’m so far. I mean, again That’s so so far. Man. You know? So

1384
01:26:40.785 –> 01:26:43.985
far. He he had trouble going on the list. Okay. It’s good. And then let’s

1385
01:26:43.985 –> 01:26:47.185
talk about too many of them. My problem is I love this genre of movies.

1386
01:26:47.185 –> 01:26:50.980
That’s my biggest problem. I’m just letting you know. I’m gonna well, don’t worry. Next

1387
01:26:50.980 –> 01:26:54.580
February, we’re gonna do the top 5 romantic films. We’re gonna do that. You’re

1388
01:26:54.580 –> 01:26:58.340
gonna top 5 romances. Okay. So, I’ve got the day the

1389
01:26:58.340 –> 01:27:01.700
earth stood still, doctor Strangelove, blade runner, and planet of the

1390
01:27:01.700 –> 01:27:05.395
apes. Okay. Speaking of Star Trek,

1391
01:27:06.335 –> 01:27:09.934
my number one sci fi film of all time is a movie that I

1392
01:27:09.934 –> 01:27:13.715
actually just watched when I was in the hotel traveling, interestingly enough, to Boston,

1393
01:27:14.895 –> 01:27:17.474
a couple weeks ago. Tell me it’s wrath of Khan.

1394
01:27:18.840 –> 01:27:22.199
Of course. Please. Star Trek 2, the wrath of

1395
01:27:22.199 –> 01:27:25.880
con. That has gotta be the best sci fi movie ever

1396
01:27:25.880 –> 01:27:29.719
made. Ever. Come on. All time. My god. Come on. I like that.

1397
01:27:29.719 –> 01:27:33.505
This this is a great movie. It’s got everything. It’s got it’s

1398
01:27:33.505 –> 01:27:36.965
got Shatner being old and retired

1399
01:27:37.745 –> 01:27:41.505
and angry. It’s got bones wanting you to just stay

1400
01:27:41.505 –> 01:27:45.205
home and not be bothered. It’s got, you know,

1401
01:27:45.585 –> 01:27:48.540
sparky and spark. Ricardo Matawan.

1402
01:27:49.320 –> 01:27:53.080
Oh, and that dude was awesome in that great chest, you

1403
01:27:53.080 –> 01:27:56.920
know, which was his, by the way. That wasn’t prosthetic. That

1404
01:27:56.920 –> 01:28:00.760
was Ricardo Matawan. Like, he was and then and then

1405
01:28:00.760 –> 01:28:04.565
here’s the thing. And I didn’t find this out until recently. You know? So this

1406
01:28:04.885 –> 01:28:08.645
last year, we covered the book Moby Dick. Right? I’m reading Moby

1407
01:28:08.645 –> 01:28:12.165
Dick and all this and and whatever. And there’s lines in Moby Dick, and I’m

1408
01:28:12.165 –> 01:28:15.945
like, wait. I’ve heard the I’ve read these before. I’ve heard these before somewhere.

1409
01:28:16.310 –> 01:28:19.930
And so I go back and I’m, like, rapping my brain. Right? My fertile

1410
01:28:20.550 –> 01:28:24.230
mind. I’m, like, the hard track. And so I went back and did a

1411
01:28:24.230 –> 01:28:27.850
little research. It turns out the guy who wrote

1412
01:28:27.989 –> 01:28:30.970
Wrath of Khan based it off of Moby Dick.

1413
01:28:31.765 –> 01:28:35.285
Based the entire subplot of Ricardo Montalban chasing around

1414
01:28:35.285 –> 01:28:38.405
William Shatner or yeah. Yeah. Too strong. We use that. The white the white whale.

1415
01:28:38.405 –> 01:28:42.085
Yeah. The white whale. And so we put the lines

1416
01:28:42.085 –> 01:28:45.540
from captain Ahab in Ricardo Montalban’s mouth. I’m like, this

1417
01:28:45.540 –> 01:28:49.380
is brilliant. This is an example of somebody reading classic literature and

1418
01:28:49.380 –> 01:28:52.740
then applying it in a pop culture context so that the literature can

1419
01:28:52.740 –> 01:28:56.580
expand. Then you’ve got the ship. Oh, oh,

1420
01:28:56.580 –> 01:29:00.040
oh, the Kobayashi Maru test. Like Yeah.

1421
01:29:01.074 –> 01:29:04.514
Like, all of that’s there. And it is it’s so well

1422
01:29:04.514 –> 01:29:08.295
balanced. It’s so well done. Yes. Well acted.

1423
01:29:08.594 –> 01:29:12.355
Well acted. Yes. Spock dies at the end, but it doesn’t

1424
01:29:12.355 –> 01:29:16.030
matter. But you don’t know that because it still has emotional punch. It still

1425
01:29:16.030 –> 01:29:19.570
has emotional punch. You don’t know there’s a star Trek 3 coming. You don’t

1426
01:29:19.710 –> 01:29:23.550
you don’t know that. And it’s even so good. It

1427
01:29:23.550 –> 01:29:27.230
has entered the lexicon of comedy. So I remember an episode of Seinfeld. I can’t

1428
01:29:27.230 –> 01:29:30.885
remember which episode it was, but Jerry was talking about how

1429
01:29:30.885 –> 01:29:34.324
star Trek star Trek 2, him him and George were talking about the coffee shop,

1430
01:29:34.324 –> 01:29:36.885
I think. And they were like, star Trek 2 wrath of con. It’s the greatest

1431
01:29:36.885 –> 01:29:38.665
thing ever. Blah, blah, blah. And

1432
01:29:41.364 –> 01:29:45.100
Kramer goes, Kramer or Jerry says, Kramer

1433
01:29:45.100 –> 01:29:47.580
doesn’t believe the star check 2. The wrath of Khan is, like, the best the

1434
01:29:47.580 –> 01:29:50.380
best star check movie ever. He likes star check 3. He likes search for Spock.

1435
01:29:50.380 –> 01:29:51.680
He’s he’s a weird elf.

1436
01:29:54.955 –> 01:29:57.855
I’m just like, that’s brilliant. That’s genius.

1437
01:29:58.875 –> 01:30:02.715
It is a movie that almost didn’t get made because after Star

1438
01:30:02.715 –> 01:30:06.315
Trek the motion picture, the returns were so bad on that movie.

1439
01:30:06.315 –> 01:30:10.095
Everybody’s like, oh, we’ll never gonna I mean, Star Trek’s dead. We’re done.

1440
01:30:10.140 –> 01:30:13.840
And it literally singularly resurrected Star Trek movies

1441
01:30:14.140 –> 01:30:17.840
for another, like, 30 years. That movie just by itself.

1442
01:30:18.380 –> 01:30:22.140
I’ve had my kids watch Wrath of Khan. My kids love it. Gen

1443
01:30:22.140 –> 01:30:25.745
zers. They are gen zers. They’re hardcore gen zers, and they

1444
01:30:25.745 –> 01:30:29.585
loved wrath of con. Yeah. Yeah. So I

1445
01:30:29.585 –> 01:30:33.105
I I agree with you. I I don’t I think rather you know, I started

1446
01:30:33.105 –> 01:30:36.920
wracking my brain again, again, this genre is probably my favorite. Yeah.

1447
01:30:36.920 –> 01:30:40.760
Be be because of the flexibility in the genre. I just wanna

1448
01:30:40.760 –> 01:30:43.900
be clear. Because you got things like ET

1449
01:30:44.520 –> 01:30:48.280
and Contact with Jodie Foster. Mhmm. And, like and

1450
01:30:48.280 –> 01:30:51.195
then, of course, don’t even I mean, you’re not we’re not even talking about any

1451
01:30:51.195 –> 01:30:55.035
of the modern movies, the avatars of the world that, like, you know, that

1452
01:30:55.035 –> 01:30:58.175
people can love them or hate them, but they’re they’re they are

1453
01:30:59.355 –> 01:31:02.730
they they’re they’re they’re going to be

1454
01:31:02.730 –> 01:31:05.949
iconic at some point. Right? Like, some of these movies are just massive

1455
01:31:06.170 –> 01:31:09.550
buildouts of of story line and movies. So, like

1456
01:31:10.170 –> 01:31:13.770
and and and undertones. Like, the whole idea, the the

1457
01:31:13.770 –> 01:31:17.255
original Avatar, movie, with

1458
01:31:17.315 –> 01:31:21.075
the and I I’ve said this to people before. Let me get this

1459
01:31:21.075 –> 01:31:24.375
straight. You’ve never heard this story before? A race of people

1460
01:31:24.675 –> 01:31:28.215
finds something of value that’s already inhabited

1461
01:31:28.435 –> 01:31:32.270
by a race of people or or at least, you know, a race a

1462
01:31:32.270 –> 01:31:35.710
race, and they go and they destroy them to get it. You haven’t heard the

1463
01:31:35.710 –> 01:31:38.830
story at all? I mean, like so

1464
01:31:39.550 –> 01:31:42.989
but, anyway, but the the the point I’m making is just like Ferngully just in

1465
01:31:42.989 –> 01:31:46.804
real life. Yeah. Ferngully. Exactly. Exactly. Love

1466
01:31:46.804 –> 01:31:49.925
that movie, by the way. Robin Williams

1467
01:31:50.244 –> 01:31:54.005
plot. Robin Williams was incredible in that movie. If anybody

1468
01:31:54.005 –> 01:31:57.445
has not seen Ferngully, watch it with your kids. Like, that’s great. But, like, but,

1469
01:31:57.445 –> 01:32:01.205
again, the the like, there’s a lot of the the Matrix was another one. Right?

1470
01:32:01.205 –> 01:32:04.460
Like Mhmm. The Matrix to your well, we talked we talked about the Matrix a

1471
01:32:04.460 –> 01:32:08.060
little bit. Like but but it when you’re talking about, like,

1472
01:32:08.060 –> 01:32:11.900
iconic sci fi, The Day

1473
01:32:11.900 –> 01:32:15.580
the Earth Stood Still, the the the Space Odyssey, like,

1474
01:32:15.580 –> 01:32:19.315
these are these are, like, these are, like, above and beyond.

1475
01:32:19.315 –> 01:32:22.115
Like, my my biggest thing, and I try to explain this to my kids all

1476
01:32:22.115 –> 01:32:25.495
the time. When you watch a movie like Back to the Future or

1477
01:32:25.795 –> 01:32:28.995
or ET or what whatever, any one of the

1478
01:32:29.635 –> 01:32:33.150
the acting is better Yes. Most most

1479
01:32:33.150 –> 01:32:36.930
times because they’re not real they’re not reliant on special effects and CGI.

1480
01:32:37.310 –> 01:32:40.910
Right. So, like, Avatar is a great movie. I love them. I

1481
01:32:40.910 –> 01:32:44.350
actually really like that movie. There was a lot of for those of you who

1482
01:32:44.350 –> 01:32:47.785
have listened to this podcast several times, and I’m not gonna go into super detail

1483
01:32:47.785 –> 01:32:51.625
why. You’ve probably can already see this coming. I know he’s on can. Mhmm.

1484
01:32:51.625 –> 01:32:55.145
But there are parts of that that touched inside of me that some movies just

1485
01:32:55.145 –> 01:32:58.905
don’t. Right? And I watched this movie, and I was just like, what

1486
01:32:58.905 –> 01:33:01.865
is going on right now, and why are we okay with this? Like, I really

1487
01:33:02.025 –> 01:33:05.640
like, I I could get emotionally wrapped up in that movie because of

1488
01:33:05.640 –> 01:33:09.180
the underlying story, like, the the undertones of the story.

1489
01:33:09.960 –> 01:33:13.800
Whereas you like, in most of these movies that we’re

1490
01:33:13.800 –> 01:33:17.495
talking about today, these are movies where the the the CGI was nonexistent

1491
01:33:17.875 –> 01:33:21.635
or very early stage and it’s choppy and it wasn’t very good. And

1492
01:33:21.635 –> 01:33:25.075
the special effects were very manual and it was there

1493
01:33:25.075 –> 01:33:27.955
were, you know, it was just weird. Some they came

1494
01:33:28.890 –> 01:33:32.730
people watching people watching today’s movies and then they go back and watch

1495
01:33:32.730 –> 01:33:36.489
some of these the movies that we’re talking about, they’re they’re not gonna like my

1496
01:33:36.489 –> 01:33:39.130
kids don’t really like a lot of the old movies. They don’t get it. They

1497
01:33:39.130 –> 01:33:42.409
don’t get it. They don’t get the fact that these these to your point a

1498
01:33:42.409 –> 01:33:46.095
couple of times, like, these stories are based on how people were feeling at the

1499
01:33:46.095 –> 01:33:49.695
time. Can you get the underlying tones that are in these movies based on the

1500
01:33:49.695 –> 01:33:53.215
actors and actresses that are that are portraying the characters? Charlton

1501
01:33:53.215 –> 01:33:56.495
Heston in in the in Planet of the Apes was was the best one. Like,

1502
01:33:56.495 –> 01:34:00.210
that one of the best ones I can think of. Like Yep. So we’re

1503
01:34:00.369 –> 01:34:03.409
and we’re talking about the we we did I think we if we chop the

1504
01:34:03.489 –> 01:34:07.090
we could probably chop this episode of of your of this podcast up into,

1505
01:34:07.090 –> 01:34:10.849
like, 3 different versions because I think that there’s something to

1506
01:34:10.849 –> 01:34:14.210
be said about today’s sci fi versus yesterday’s sci fi

1507
01:34:14.210 –> 01:34:17.864
versus the original sci fi. Right? Like, I think if we could

1508
01:34:17.864 –> 01:34:21.165
probably pick the top 5 movies in that way

1509
01:34:21.465 –> 01:34:24.985
and or we could separate it into sci fi comedy, sci fi

1510
01:34:24.985 –> 01:34:28.469
drama, sci fi sci fi, you know, sci

1511
01:34:28.469 –> 01:34:32.309
fi horror. I think you yeah. I think you’ve got a point there. I mean,

1512
01:34:32.309 –> 01:34:32.809
you’ve

1513
01:34:36.389 –> 01:34:39.110
The the so when I when I look at my top five list and by

1514
01:34:39.110 –> 01:34:42.775
the way, I I came totally completely honest. I came with

1515
01:34:42.775 –> 01:34:44.555
this top five list in, like, 10 minutes.

1516
01:34:46.295 –> 01:34:48.315
Yeah. Because I’m that guy. Right?

1517
01:34:50.535 –> 01:34:54.315
It didn’t take me long. But you’re right. Like, my top five list,

1518
01:34:56.250 –> 01:34:59.870
even even your top five list, driven by

1519
01:35:00.010 –> 01:35:03.530
writing. And this is the thing. Like, we’re a literature

1520
01:35:03.530 –> 01:35:07.210
podcast. Right? What are the leadership lessons people can learn from great

1521
01:35:07.210 –> 01:35:10.965
writing? People get caught up in movies in

1522
01:35:10.965 –> 01:35:14.565
the visuals as well they should. Right? The visual because it’s a

1523
01:35:14.565 –> 01:35:18.344
visual medium. Right? But when you

1524
01:35:18.405 –> 01:35:22.240
go so far over and you see this with the Marvel movies. Right?

1525
01:35:22.240 –> 01:35:25.780
This is why everyone’s burned out on superhero movies now and no one cares anymore.

1526
01:35:26.880 –> 01:35:30.480
The reason people are burned out on that is because the visuals are

1527
01:35:30.480 –> 01:35:34.165
so amazing that they are

1528
01:35:34.165 –> 01:35:37.545
thought to be enough to carry the story,

1529
01:35:38.165 –> 01:35:42.005
and it’s just not. Like, maybe for certain things, like Godzilla versus

1530
01:35:42.005 –> 01:35:45.685
Mothra versus King Kong. Okay. We all know what we’re here for. We’re not being

1531
01:35:45.685 –> 01:35:48.400
fooled. Even with something like,

1532
01:35:50.240 –> 01:35:54.080
probably one of the better written Marvel movies was Guardians of the Galaxy. Right?

1533
01:35:54.080 –> 01:35:56.880
Oh, for sure. Yes. You know, with with the special effects. That that was a

1534
01:35:56.880 –> 01:36:00.235
place where the writing and the special effects actually came together and actually worked. It’s

1535
01:36:00.235 –> 01:36:04.075
one of the few I actually watched. Right. Then for every

1536
01:36:04.075 –> 01:36:07.275
time I just I just refused for a long time. I’m like, I’m not watching

1537
01:36:07.275 –> 01:36:10.715
these movies. I’m sorry. But then for for every one of those

1538
01:36:10.715 –> 01:36:14.475
though, you have a doctor Strange in the multiverse of madness, which

1539
01:36:14.475 –> 01:36:17.750
was just trash. My daughter went and saw that, and she was like, this is

1540
01:36:18.390 –> 01:36:21.610
I don’t know what we’re doing here. Right? And it’s because the writing

1541
01:36:22.630 –> 01:36:26.470
isn’t supporting it isn’t it is the the the structure the

1542
01:36:26.470 –> 01:36:30.005
infrastructure of writing isn’t there in the story. Wrath of Khan is my number

1543
01:36:30.005 –> 01:36:33.605
one film on my list, and it didn’t even I started with that

1544
01:36:33.605 –> 01:36:37.284
one. Yeah. Because of the writing. The writing is

1545
01:36:37.284 –> 01:36:40.804
good. The iconic lines are good. But we but the

1546
01:36:43.200 –> 01:36:45.520
and this is one of my views with Hollywood for a long time, and it’s

1547
01:36:45.520 –> 01:36:48.480
not just in science fiction. It’s in a lot of other different genres too. This

1548
01:36:48.480 –> 01:36:51.860
is everywhere. When you’re writing when you’re making

1549
01:36:52.080 –> 01:36:55.920
movies and writing writing for movies based on what your

1550
01:36:55.920 –> 01:36:59.304
Twitter feed looks like or

1551
01:36:59.304 –> 01:37:03.145
who’s gonna give you claps on social media. You’re

1552
01:37:03.145 –> 01:37:06.905
writing sincerely from your friends, so you would have no experience to write

1553
01:37:06.905 –> 01:37:10.505
from. Like, the guys who wrote Wrath of Khan, they had life experience. Just like,

1554
01:37:10.505 –> 01:37:13.864
quite frankly, the guys who wrote to go into a totally different genre and totally

1555
01:37:13.864 –> 01:37:16.739
different place. The people who wrote French Connection

1556
01:37:20.080 –> 01:37:23.920
or the or Serpico or even I’ll go a step

1557
01:37:23.920 –> 01:37:27.219
further. A movie that’s very stylized, very classical,

1558
01:37:27.520 –> 01:37:30.755
but everybody quotes from it, Godfather.

1559
01:37:32.575 –> 01:37:36.195
Number 2. 2nd one.

1560
01:37:36.335 –> 01:37:40.095
Well, we’ll leave that aside for just a minute. We’ll just say Godfather and leave

1561
01:37:40.095 –> 01:37:43.775
it at that. Okay. The writing except for Godfather 3. The

1562
01:37:43.775 –> 01:37:47.619
writing is strong. The writing is strong. The writing is what

1563
01:37:47.619 –> 01:37:51.059
carries it. But you see a you see a definite you do. You see a

1564
01:37:51.059 –> 01:37:53.800
definite fall off in writing after I think about 2010.

1565
01:37:55.699 –> 01:37:59.315
And I don’t know if that’s because writers shifted television or television offered

1566
01:37:59.315 –> 01:38:03.074
more opportunities in streaming or whatever, but I just

1567
01:38:03.074 –> 01:38:06.435
know that the writing that we’ve gotten over the last 15 years or

1568
01:38:06.435 –> 01:38:09.175
so hasn’t been

1569
01:38:09.795 –> 01:38:13.460
good. Even the matrix was a little bit of a mess. And

1570
01:38:13.460 –> 01:38:17.140
I liked the matrix back in the nineties. But even there, there was,

1571
01:38:17.140 –> 01:38:20.980
like, you’re trying to do too many things. You’re trying to be too cute by

1572
01:38:20.980 –> 01:38:24.739
half. Like, just just write a good solid story, and I think

1573
01:38:24.739 –> 01:38:28.500
we’ve forgotten that. And as a literature podcast, I support, I support good

1574
01:38:28.500 –> 01:38:32.095
writing. So there we go.

1575
01:38:32.475 –> 01:38:36.075
I support good writing. I’m with you. And and, again, I I I

1576
01:38:36.155 –> 01:38:39.995
like I said, I I would again, I’m gonna pick on Avatar a little

1577
01:38:39.995 –> 01:38:42.895
bit, but the the second one Mhmm.

1578
01:38:43.630 –> 01:38:47.170
Not good. It it it just it was not as good. Like, we waited

1579
01:38:47.230 –> 01:38:50.989
years for this movie to come out. We had such high expectations of it, and

1580
01:38:50.989 –> 01:38:54.750
it just did not it wasn’t written as good. It

1581
01:38:54.750 –> 01:38:58.505
it wasn’t written as well. Okay. It just wasn’t I watched

1582
01:38:58.505 –> 01:39:02.284
the first Avatar movie. I did. I watched it in the theater,

1583
01:39:02.905 –> 01:39:06.665
and I was like, okay. This is fine. This is I mean, I

1584
01:39:06.665 –> 01:39:10.240
know the story. It’s fine. It’s cool. I

1585
01:39:10.240 –> 01:39:14.080
don’t know anybody who saw the second movie. Other

1586
01:39:14.080 –> 01:39:17.520
than you, you’re like the first person that I’ve met. Literally, you are. You’re the

1587
01:39:17.520 –> 01:39:21.060
first person I’ve met who’s who watched that movie.

1588
01:39:21.680 –> 01:39:25.195
I don’t know how this movie made, like what is it, 500

1589
01:39:25.414 –> 01:39:29.014
bajillion dollars that it made? Yeah. I don’t know either because it was

1590
01:39:29.014 –> 01:39:32.454
not very good. It was like, the writing on it was not very good,

1591
01:39:32.454 –> 01:39:36.215
honestly. I don’t know what we

1592
01:39:36.215 –> 01:39:39.994
waited for. That that’s I kinda might and and by the way, that happens

1593
01:39:40.350 –> 01:39:43.570
a lot. Even, like, even with the deterioration of the writing

1594
01:39:43.790 –> 01:39:47.489
quality, it it gets worse as they go.

1595
01:39:47.870 –> 01:39:51.710
It almost naturally. Right? Like so even The Matrix, I thought

1596
01:39:51.710 –> 01:39:55.090
the first one was way better than the second. I thought the second one was

1597
01:39:55.975 –> 01:39:59.175
really not very good. By the time they got to the third one I watched

1598
01:39:59.175 –> 01:40:01.895
the third one. I went, what are we doing here, people? Like, you know what

1599
01:40:01.895 –> 01:40:05.435
I mean? So, like, the right and that happens in just about every I mean,

1600
01:40:05.655 –> 01:40:09.310
with one exception, I think because you made a

1601
01:40:09.310 –> 01:40:13.010
statement a few minutes ago, like, with the Godzilla movie. Right? Like, with the Godzilla,

1602
01:40:13.390 –> 01:40:16.830
it we we’re not as worried about the writing because we know what we’re in

1603
01:40:16.830 –> 01:40:20.450
for. Right? Like, we know what we’re here. I feel that way about John Wick.

1604
01:40:21.645 –> 01:40:25.245
Like, I thought Yeah. We know what that movie is. The

1605
01:40:25.245 –> 01:40:29.085
story isn’t the writing is not the most important part. We just know we’re

1606
01:40:29.085 –> 01:40:30.865
gonna see, like,

1607
01:40:33.005 –> 01:40:36.465
insane amounts of gunfight, insanes amount of, like,

1608
01:40:37.670 –> 01:40:41.429
fighting in general. Like, it it’s it like, we know what we’re in for there.

1609
01:40:41.429 –> 01:40:44.630
Like and if there’s a little bit of a storyline that we could follow, then

1610
01:40:44.630 –> 01:40:48.469
what makes us happy. Right. And we are surprised into joy

1611
01:40:48.469 –> 01:40:52.235
when it’s actually well written. When the when the narrative hangs

1612
01:40:52.235 –> 01:40:55.695
together. Like, part of the narrative hanging together has to be

1613
01:40:55.994 –> 01:40:59.835
that in the 3rd act, things that are proposed

1614
01:40:59.835 –> 01:41:03.435
in the first act are resolved. That’s a basic of, like, the

1615
01:41:03.435 –> 01:41:07.270
story structure. This is a basic idea of story structure. Like, in the

1616
01:41:07.270 –> 01:41:10.070
1st 3rd of your book, you’re gonna introduce an idea. In the 2nd 3rd of

1617
01:41:10.070 –> 01:41:12.870
your book, you’re gonna have conflict. And then the 3rd, 3rd of your book, you’re

1618
01:41:12.870 –> 01:41:16.710
gonna resolve everything. This is this is basic story structure. This is the the freight

1619
01:41:16.790 –> 01:41:20.090
what’s called freight tax triangle, basically, is what that is. Right?

1620
01:41:20.575 –> 01:41:23.795
And I’m seeing all over the map

1621
01:41:24.335 –> 01:41:28.175
freight tax triangle being violated left and right. Now I’ll

1622
01:41:28.175 –> 01:41:31.555
forgive that if I like the director

1623
01:41:32.510 –> 01:41:36.050
and if the director’s strong enough to, to wrangle the material.

1624
01:41:36.510 –> 01:41:39.730
So for instance, the dark night trilogy,

1625
01:41:39.870 –> 01:41:43.330
right? Gotta be honest, Christopher

1626
01:41:43.390 –> 01:41:46.875
Nolan had no idea what to do in the third Dark Knight

1627
01:41:46.875 –> 01:41:50.094
movie because Heath Ledger kicked it.

1628
01:41:50.715 –> 01:41:54.395
Yeah. He had no idea what to do. Now his entire plan was to bring

1629
01:41:54.395 –> 01:41:57.994
back the Joker and do something else and close that

1630
01:41:57.994 –> 01:42:01.840
loop. And then Right. And then Heath Ledger Heath Ledger died. Okay.

1631
01:42:02.380 –> 01:42:05.820
So how do you how do you write yourself out of that situation? That’s a

1632
01:42:05.820 –> 01:42:09.580
massive problem. And he solved it the best way he

1633
01:42:09.580 –> 01:42:13.295
knew how. But he was only able to solve propose

1634
01:42:13.434 –> 01:42:16.795
that solution because he’d been writing with his brother,

1635
01:42:16.795 –> 01:42:19.775
Jonathan, writing really challenging stuff,

1636
01:42:20.795 –> 01:42:24.330
from Memento all the way through inception, all of

1637
01:42:24.330 –> 01:42:28.170
which are movies, even the prestige and that one

1638
01:42:28.170 –> 01:42:31.630
that he did with, with, what’s his name,

1639
01:42:32.490 –> 01:42:35.870
in Alaska. I can’t remember. I can’t remember the name of that movie.

1640
01:42:37.645 –> 01:42:41.405
But, he’s he he did solid writing all the way

1641
01:42:41.405 –> 01:42:45.244
through and thus earned the stripe of being able to sort of

1642
01:42:45.244 –> 01:42:49.005
write his way out of out of the back end of a terrible situation

1643
01:42:49.005 –> 01:42:51.744
where the main actor that you wanted to use was irreplaceable.

1644
01:42:54.750 –> 01:42:58.590
That’s writing. And that’s the director writing, you know, with

1645
01:42:58.590 –> 01:43:01.949
his brother who’s the writer. You know? And so the vision there is

1646
01:43:01.949 –> 01:43:04.449
clear. But for a lot of these movies, man,

1647
01:43:06.305 –> 01:43:09.425
we we we know the writing’s not hanging together. We know you’re trying to wow

1648
01:43:09.425 –> 01:43:12.945
us with special effects. And this is my problem with Avatar. I mean, it just

1649
01:43:12.945 –> 01:43:16.305
is. Like, at a certain point and this is my problem, the first Avatar, really.

1650
01:43:16.305 –> 01:43:20.010
Like, I know you it it I know

1651
01:43:20.010 –> 01:43:23.690
why it touches it touches you. It it works for you. But I’ll be honest.

1652
01:43:23.690 –> 01:43:26.570
Like, I got 2 thirds through that movie, and I got a headache. I was

1653
01:43:26.570 –> 01:43:30.170
like, okay. Like, the story is not enough. Like and the visuals are

1654
01:43:30.170 –> 01:43:33.215
killing me here. Like, I gotta get out of here. You know? It was too

1655
01:43:33.215 –> 01:43:36.975
much. And I’m and by the way, I’ve never felt compelled to go back and

1656
01:43:36.975 –> 01:43:40.335
revisit it, which is a sign of for me, a sign

1657
01:43:40.335 –> 01:43:42.915
of, is the writing there or is it not?

1658
01:43:44.640 –> 01:43:48.400
Yeah. So Right. Again, I

1659
01:43:48.400 –> 01:43:51.520
I that’s I was I was picking on the second one as well. I the

1660
01:43:51.520 –> 01:43:55.360
first one, I I liked. The second one, I Yeah. It just wasn’t as

1661
01:43:55.360 –> 01:43:58.480
strong. Like, it just didn’t it was it didn’t hit the same way. It didn’t

1662
01:43:58.480 –> 01:44:02.015
hit the same nerve. It didn’t hit, like to your to your point, it was

1663
01:44:02.015 –> 01:44:05.295
kinda it kinda lost a little bit of his lackluster. Right? Like, it even for

1664
01:44:05.295 –> 01:44:08.975
me, like, the somebody who really liked the first one. But I think that

1665
01:44:08.975 –> 01:44:12.594
happens I think that happens a a lot in these movies that they’re trying to,

1666
01:44:12.920 –> 01:44:16.520
you know, continue on. Now I do think I do think it gets

1667
01:44:16.520 –> 01:44:20.360
interesting when you think of we talked a little bit about the the

1668
01:44:20.360 –> 01:44:24.120
aliens universe and the alien and predator universe. I do

1669
01:44:24.120 –> 01:44:27.715
think it gets interesting when you have a series of 15 you

1670
01:44:27.715 –> 01:44:31.075
know, 10, 12, 15 movies that are all interconnected some way,

1671
01:44:31.075 –> 01:44:34.114
somehow. Mhmm. And that some of them are good and some of them are not.

1672
01:44:34.114 –> 01:44:37.875
And some of them, like, some of them you can watch multiple times and

1673
01:44:37.875 –> 01:44:41.610
others you just ignore. Mhmm. I mean, like, I just think, you

1674
01:44:41.610 –> 01:44:45.290
know, I think I think that’s I think it go like, there’s a, like, there’s

1675
01:44:45.290 –> 01:44:48.090
a there’s a there’s a hump there. Right? Like Right. You get to a point

1676
01:44:48.090 –> 01:44:51.850
where you you get, like, f it. I’m just gonna make so many movies that

1677
01:44:51.850 –> 01:44:55.305
people just can’t ignore me anymore. Like, that’s just essential.

1678
01:44:55.445 –> 01:44:59.285
It’s essentially what they did. And that’s what they’re doing with John Wick too. Like,

1679
01:44:59.285 –> 01:45:01.925
they’re like Yeah. You know, we’re just gonna make enough movies that nobody’s gonna be

1680
01:45:01.925 –> 01:45:04.885
able to ignore us. We’re just gonna keep we’re just gonna keep giving Keanu Reeves

1681
01:45:04.885 –> 01:45:07.845
money. Well, in John I’m not paying I like Keanu Reeves, so it’s not like

1682
01:45:07.845 –> 01:45:10.840
I have a problem with him. I’m just saying. Well, John and John Wick will

1683
01:45:10.840 –> 01:45:14.440
ultimately hang on sort of how how

1684
01:45:14.440 –> 01:45:17.739
how much more punishment can Keanu Reeves take.

1685
01:45:17.880 –> 01:45:21.720
Exactly. And he’s in, what, his early fifties now? Something like that?

1686
01:45:21.720 –> 01:45:25.075
I think he might be, like, 54, 55. I think he’s some but he’s getting

1687
01:45:25.075 –> 01:45:28.595
up there a little bit. Getting a little long in the tooth there,

1688
01:45:28.595 –> 01:45:32.195
Keanu. Especially if you’re doing your own stunts there,

1689
01:45:32.195 –> 01:45:35.795
kid. And we can call you kid. We’re

1690
01:45:35.795 –> 01:45:39.395
contemporaries. We can call you kid. Oh my god. No. Wait. You know, he’s

1691
01:45:39.395 –> 01:45:43.200
60. He was he just he just turned 60 in this

1692
01:45:43.200 –> 01:45:46.900
this month, September. What? I’m looking at it right now.

1693
01:45:47.200 –> 01:45:50.960
I’m so pissed. No. Okay. You’re not a contemporary. Sorry. No.

1694
01:45:51.200 –> 01:45:54.420
15 years? No. That’s too big a hub. No. Dude, you gotta stop.

1695
01:45:55.125 –> 01:45:58.965
Exactly. What are you doing? What are you doing? Well, I

1696
01:45:58.965 –> 01:46:02.645
mean, there’s no who’s someone just came out with another, action

1697
01:46:02.645 –> 01:46:06.485
movie recent Liam Neeson. Liam Neeson just came out with another action movie recently,

1698
01:46:06.485 –> 01:46:10.230
and I’m going same thing. I’m going, what are we doing here, people? Like, what?

1699
01:46:10.230 –> 01:46:13.670
Well well, Liam Liam Neeson just gave He did one he did one a couple

1700
01:46:13.670 –> 01:46:17.429
years ago that where he was some sort of assassin that had Alzheimer’s. Yeah.

1701
01:46:17.429 –> 01:46:21.030
That that had a little bit of an interesting twist to it. I was like,

1702
01:46:21.030 –> 01:46:24.805
oh, this one, I I might I actually watched it, and I was like, okay.

1703
01:46:25.025 –> 01:46:28.785
That wasn’t the worst movie I’ve ever seen. But I’m just thinking now he’s coming

1704
01:46:28.785 –> 01:46:32.145
into another one. I’m going, what are we doing? What like, why why is

1705
01:46:32.705 –> 01:46:36.540
Liam Neeson can get away with it. Number 1, he’s not high kicking, high flipping.

1706
01:46:36.700 –> 01:46:40.060
He’s not doing jiu jitsu. He’s not trying to choke anybody out. Though, interestingly enough,

1707
01:46:40.060 –> 01:46:43.180
have you have you seen switch to TV for just a second. Have you seen

1708
01:46:43.180 –> 01:46:46.860
the show on FX, which I don’t have anymore because I canceled

1709
01:46:46.860 –> 01:46:50.635
Hulu. But have you seen the show on FX old man with, Jeff

1710
01:46:50.635 –> 01:46:54.315
Bridges? Jeff Bridges and, Jonathan Withko. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now I do

1711
01:46:54.315 –> 01:46:57.915
like that, particularly the first couple of episodes of that because he did jujitsu in

1712
01:46:57.915 –> 01:47:00.554
that. I I gotta bring up just at least once on this podcast every episode.

1713
01:47:00.554 –> 01:47:04.329
It’s fine. But I like it because he was like he’s like

1714
01:47:04.329 –> 01:47:07.210
choking out this young guy, and I’m like, oh, yeah. That’s exactly how it would

1715
01:47:07.210 –> 01:47:11.050
go. That’s precisely it. That he’s not kicking anybody. He’s not picking his

1716
01:47:11.210 –> 01:47:14.090
he’s like, no. No. Please. I’m gonna shoot you. And if I can’t shoot you,

1717
01:47:14.090 –> 01:47:17.925
I’m gonna choke you. Yeah. So I I I actually do watch that show,

1718
01:47:17.925 –> 01:47:21.764
and I thought the 1st season was excellent. The 2nd season started just

1719
01:47:21.764 –> 01:47:25.364
recently, about 3 episodes into the 2nd season, and the 2nd

1720
01:47:25.364 –> 01:47:29.065
season is falling off a little bit. A little bit. Yeah. Okay.

1721
01:47:29.764 –> 01:47:33.420
I I think it’s hard for these older I think it’s

1722
01:47:33.420 –> 01:47:37.260
hard for older Oh, by the way, Jeff Bridges, the main character

1723
01:47:37.260 –> 01:47:41.100
in it, 75, 76. 76. 75 or

1724
01:47:41.100 –> 01:47:44.640
76. I don’t remember, but he’s either 75 or 76, and Jonathan Lithgow

1725
01:47:45.100 –> 01:47:48.925
is 79. Good lord. Yeah. It’s like

1726
01:47:48.925 –> 01:47:52.065
my parents’ age. Lord.

1727
01:47:53.165 –> 01:47:57.005
Alright. Well, I mean, I guess, you know, here’s what I

1728
01:47:57.005 –> 01:48:00.205
do ultimately. I mean, not everybody could be Tony Tony gel. Right? Like, that’s the

1729
01:48:00.205 –> 01:48:03.850
thing. Well, it’s something I’ll have to have something to

1730
01:48:03.850 –> 01:48:07.370
aspire to. No. I I I take I take

1731
01:48:07.370 –> 01:48:11.210
heart in that. If you

1732
01:48:11.210 –> 01:48:14.885
find what you love to do, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You

1733
01:48:14.885 –> 01:48:17.765
never work a day in your life. Okay. Now if you find what you love

1734
01:48:17.765 –> 01:48:20.585
to do, you can work until you’re dead. That’s that’s the statement.

1735
01:48:21.765 –> 01:48:25.525
That’s that’s That’s a way better way of saying it because it’s

1736
01:48:25.525 –> 01:48:29.310
true. And so I’m glad these

1737
01:48:29.310 –> 01:48:32.430
guys have found work that they love. I’m glad that they found work that they’re

1738
01:48:32.430 –> 01:48:35.710
good at, and I hope that they work until they decide that they wanna stop.

1739
01:48:35.710 –> 01:48:39.410
Alright. I think that’s it. I think we’ve wrapped up our top 5

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01:48:39.710 –> 01:48:42.905
sci fi films. I don’t know that we got any leadership lessons out of that,

1741
01:48:42.905 –> 01:48:45.804
but it was a it was an engaging and invigorating conversation

1742
01:48:46.744 –> 01:48:50.244
as always with Tom Libby. My name is Haysan

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01:48:50.244 –> 01:48:54.084
Sorels and you’ve been listening to the leadership lessons from the great books

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01:48:54.084 –> 01:48:57.684
podcast. And with that, well, we are

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01:48:57.684 –> 01:48:58.184
out.